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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


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Originally Posted by Duffy
We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

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Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Duffy
We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.




We're also an industrialized, wealthy nation. We also actually give a sh*t about our special needs kids. We have a very high rate of childhood poverty. We are not a small, homogeneous population. We have disparity between rich and poor school districts.

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If you only knew the battles with IEPs and that's in a good school district...


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Teaching smart, motivated students really makes teaching a lot more pleasant.



If you are going to be a teacher I recommend doing that.


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I don't like the command and control trend I see in education.


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I don't like the command and control trend I see in education.




Yeah but how else are you going to create loyal, unquestioning subjects?


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Originally Posted by Kento
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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.


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Originally Posted by Kento
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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.




With our patchwork system of private health insurance we spend way more on healthcare than any other country with worse outcomes.


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Originally Posted by Kento
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Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Duffy
We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.

Oh I'm not, but it is marginally better just because private sector companies need to make money, the government can run at a deficit infinitely.


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Duffy
We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.

Oh I'm not, but it is marginally better just because private sector companies need to make money, the government can run at a deficit infinitely.


The worst part of the private sector is that they will fook over their employees at the drop of a hat if it increases corporate and shareholder profit. That's one aspect you don't really have in the public sector. I got this lesson all of four months out of college and have seen it play out repeatedly over the years.


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.

Oh I'm not, but it is marginally better just because private sector companies need to make money, the government can run at a deficit infinitely.

It’s laughable that you think the idea of profit inherently means the private sector does it better.

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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs


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(This is offset by Costa Mesa censored )

We will not speak of my feelings towards the San Francisco Water Board along with the Department of Toxic Substances Control. They MORE than corroborate your assertion. drunk


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Of course there’s a TON of waste in government, that’s a pretty low hanging fruit.

And you’re final point in regards to private industry and operating costs by no means makes it run better for the consumer; often times it’s the complete opposite. You have to have some rose colored glasses on or just be straight up willfully ignorant to think that, especially in the context of healthcare.

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Originally Posted by hal9000
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I don't like the command and control trend I see in education.




Yeah but how else are you going to create loyal, unquestioning subjects?


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Originally Posted by hal9000
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Duffy
We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.




With our patchwork system of private health insurance we spend way more on healthcare than any other country with worse outcomes.



Actually better outcomes....but at what cost.


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Of course there’s a TON of waste in government, that’s a pretty low hanging fruit.

And you’re final point in regards to private industry and operating costs by no means makes it run better for the consumer; often times it’s the complete opposite. You have to have some rose colored glasses on or just be straight up willfully ignorant to think that, especially in the context of healthcare.

We're not talking about better for the consumer, we're talking about better THAN government


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Ok, point remains.

If you think private is inherently better you’re not being honest.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Ok, point remains.

If you think private is inherently better you’re not being honest.

I'm being totally honest and correct. it is about funding. Eventually, even in a MASSIVE corporation, the income is based on free will of consumers. The government's funding is based on theft


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Like I said you have to have your eyes closed to not recognize private industry has those same exact problems that are fueled simply by profit.

Can I get a bit of whatever you’re smoking?

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The average private K-12 school that I've seen runs extremely lean on the administrative side and they don't pay their teachers or leadership nearly as well as the public school districts.

Catholic schools, for example. We don't normally think of them being very top-heavy and inefficient.

Another big (huge) advantage those schools have is they can kick kids out who are disruptive or who aren't performing or whose parents are a PITA. They are not required to tolerate the level of BS that can occur in the public schools. Participating in those schools is not a no-strings-attached entitlement.

School vouchers diverting even only 50% of the per/student funding to schools of the parents' choice would probably make a big dent in the economic feasibility of the public school districts.


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Like I said you have to have your eyes closed to not recognize private industry has those same exact problems that are fueled simply by profit.

Can I get a bit of whatever you’re smoking?

Once again

"we're talking about better THAN government"

Even when two things are bad, one thing can be better than the other. Believe me, I see bureaucratic crap everywhere I work. The difference is, and the end of the day, this will cause failure. The government just keeps growing and growing

And I'd like whatever you're smoking trying to defend government. It is known and accepted that anything ran by the government anywhere is a morass of waste and inefficiency.


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I think I was pretty clear I was not defending government.

The point was both sectors are ripe with similar issues of waste and exploitation.

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And my point is the government is worse because it doesn't have to answer to anyone

You're just arguing to argue, I never said that there was no waste in private industry


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School vouchers diverting even only 50% of the per/student funding to schools of the parents' choice would probably make a big dent in the economic feasibility of the public school districts.


This.

Some people want to destroy public education.

The right always has, but now the left wants to too.

Trippy.


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Well the government does answer to someone, well people. As imperfect as it is it’s not a dictatorship.

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Well the government does answer to someone, well people. As imperfect as it is it’s not a dictatorship.

Yeah, that's the idea. But you're being even more dishonest than you claim that I always am if you think voters have more than a modicum of effect on the government machine.


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I somewhat wonder what parallels would be demonstrated if we ran K-12 education on a "public option" basis.


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With our patchwork system of private health insurance we spend way more on healthcare than any other country with worse outcomes.



Actually better outcomes....but at what cost.


Correct.

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Originally Posted by ifallalot
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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Correct.



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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.



I've posted the stats here before - cost per pupil in public school vs cost per pupil in private school.

So much waste in public education.

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In counterpoint I've heard it argued that the fact the public schools are compelled to also serve the special needs kids and dysfunctional kids adds tremendously to their costs and undermines their performance with the students who operate at more functional levels.


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In counterpoint I've heard it argued that the fact the public schools are compelled to also serve the special needs kids and dysfunctional kids adds tremendously to their costs and undermines their performance with the students who operate at more functional levels.


That is true. Private schools can just kick out any kid that might require an IEP. Although the public schools seem to throw up as many roadblocks as possible by constantly trying to scale them back, those services do cost money.


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That's why I don't think a school voucher allowance should provide more than maybe 75% of the gov't allocated spending/student. Some students are way more expensive than others and a voucher system would scavenge all the easiest students from the pool, leaving the public institutions with all the assholes and the special needs kids.

Just like (IMO) what will happen with the public option in health care - the public programs will end up with all the superusers. The non-users will get a better deal in the open market.



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In counterpoint I've heard it argued that the fact the public schools are compelled to also serve the special needs kids and dysfunctional kids adds tremendously to their costs and undermines their performance with the students who operate at more functional levels.


Yes, teaching is so much easier when you don't to teacher retards and troublemakers.

Like I said, if possible teach bright motivated people.

It's so much more rewarding

People look at public education wrong.

It's one of the pieces of glue that holds the society together.

It's expensive too.

The GOP hates that. Always has

The left wants a bigger piece of that money pie

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For better or worse we've chosen to try to not leave the underachievers behind.

The U.S. military doesn't even accept recruits with the trainability that occurs in IQs below 85 because they've found they can't train them to adequately perform ANY military occupational specialty. The average IQ in prisons is something like 90. Sociologists are saying that the thresshold where people start considering violence as their go-to response in a conflict is 85.


Meanwhile, 15% of the entire population in the U.S. has an IQ of less than 85. They're going to struggle in an increasingly complex environment no matter how much money we throw at their education. It could be worse; it could be 50% of the population with the sub-85 IQ such as is apparently the case in nearly 100 of the other nations in the world, but it still follows that there may be a point of diminishing returns when it comes to what level of resources is the right amount to spend on the effort.


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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Air traffic control, police and fire protection.

Well and cheaply are relative to the cost spent. Imagine if the private sector ran the police force. How good would the quality be? The corrupting influence is the private sector unionization. Would you like it run by the Teamsters Union?

How about the EPA? Privatize that and you can drink melamine in your milk.

The two sides of the coin are public sector is lazy without a profit motive. Private sector is corrupt because of the private sector.


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For better or worse we've chosen to try to not leave the underachievers behind.

The U.S. military doesn't even accept recruits with the trainability that occurs in IQs below 85 because they've found they can't train them to adequately perform ANY military occupational specialty.

Meanwhile, 15% of the entire population in the U.S. has an IQ of less than 85. They're going to struggle in an increasingly complex environment no matter how much money we throw at their educations. It could be worse; it could be 50% of the population with the sub-85 IQ such as is apparently the case in many of the 3rd World nations, but it still follows that there may be a point of diminishing returns when it comes to what level of resources is the right amount to spend on the effort.



Many parents are delusional and in denial about their low IQ kid. And the put the blame on the kid's failure on the school.

It's sad. I feel for them.

A lot of parents are not up to the task of raising a dumb kid.

I wonder if the 50% number in the 3rd world is low nutrition?

On a side note, I do great teaching stupid people because I am stupid too.

Intuitive learners feel disgust for stupid people.

I do too but I know how to break shit down which is what they need.


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They're saying the 2nd generation kids from the low IQ immigration groups do get a bump when raised in the U.S. I think it's something like 5-10 points. But they apparently don't close the gap.


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

Air traffic control, police and fire protection.


USPS

Government can't do anything cheaply for things they have to hire contractors.

Government contract = charge WTF you want

Remember when Halliburton charged the government $2.68 per gallon to import gasoline to Iraq from Kuwait, but a government agency did the same work for $1.57 a gallon?

That difference had cost the government an extra $166.5m.

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National parks service, forestry and environmental enforcement agencies have largely been successful in conservation methods that in turn bring in huge profits in our parks and public spaces through multi usage.

So much so that many important species, both economically and environmentally, that were in very bad decline were turned around and revitalized.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
National parks service, forestry and environmental enforcement agencies have largely been successful in conservation methods that in turn bring in huge profits in our parks and public spaces through multi usage.

So much so that many important species, both economically and environmentally, that were in very bad decline were turned around and revitalized.


^^ This. ^^

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They're saying the 2nd generation kids from the low IQ immigration groups do get a bump when raised in the U.S. I think it's something like 5-10 points. But they apparently don't close the gap.


Somehow I think if they were raised somewhere like Arkansas, they would only be widening that IQ gap.


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California's avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.


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Originally Posted by GDaddy
California/s avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.


We let in way too many transplants (both domestic and international)

Judging solely by driving ability (remarkably reflective of one's persona), I'd bet that less than 10% of people living in OC right now were born in Southern California.


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California/s avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.


We let in way too many transplants (both domestic and international)

Judging solely by driving ability (remarkably reflective of one's persona), I'd bet that less than 10% of people living in OC right now were born in Southern California.

All us east coasters dream of the golden west, I had the decency to return home to stay after a short stint.

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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Air traffic control, police and fire protection.

Well and cheaply are relative to the cost spent. Imagine if the private sector ran the police force. How good would the quality be? The corrupting influence is the private sector unionization. Would you like it run by the Teamsters Union?

How about the EPA? Privatize that and you can drink melamine in your milk.

The two sides of the coin are public sector is lazy without a profit motive. Private sector is corrupt because of the private sector.

Police and fire protection are not done cheaply.

In fact, those two entities are why California has a pension crisis

And you forget about how the market works. If a milk company is putting melamine in the milk, and it gets made public, people stop buying that milk. It is really very simple


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
National parks service, forestry and environmental enforcement agencies have largely been successful in conservation methods that in turn bring in huge profits in our parks and public spaces through multi usage.

So much so that many important species, both economically and environmentally, that were in very bad decline were turned around and revitalized.

Weren't we all just complaining about funding for the Dept of the Interior recently?

That means it isn't be ran well or cheaply if they can't figure that out

I still win


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
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National parks service, forestry and environmental enforcement agencies have largely been successful in conservation methods that in turn bring in huge profits in our parks and public spaces through multi usage.

So much so that many important species, both economically and environmentally, that were in very bad decline were turned around and revitalized.

Weren't we all just complaining about funding for the Dept of the Interior recently?

That means it isn't be ran well or cheaply if they can't figure that out

I still win

The DOI is a large branch of gov., I mentioned specific services within it. So my point is a bit more nuanced. All of which are ran well, maybe not cheaply but we’re talking about running a country so let’s get real here. You’re ignoring empirical facts if you don’t see this, or maybe you just don’t know (which is fine).

I don’t recall the specific instance of complaints toward funding you are referring to.

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And you forget about how the market works. If a milk company is putting melamine in the milk, and it gets made public, people stop buying that milk. It is really very simple

And you forgot why those regulations were enacted in the first place. As frustrating as they often are historically the market hasn’t always dictated companies doing the right thing, public or not. It’s not at all as simple as you make it out to be unfortunately.

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California's avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.

Thanks to Ifall and GromsDad for keeping the balance


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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Air traffic control, police and fire protection.

Well and cheaply are relative to the cost spent. Imagine if the private sector ran the police force. How good would the quality be? The corrupting influence is the private sector unionization. Would you like it run by the Teamsters Union?

How about the EPA? Privatize that and you can drink melamine in your milk.

The two sides of the coin are public sector is lazy without a profit motive. Private sector is corrupt because of the private sector.

Police and fire protection are not done cheaply.

In fact, those two entities are why California has a pension crisis

And you forget about how the market works. If a milk company is putting melamine in the milk, and it gets made public, people stop buying that milk. It is really very simple

You really are special Ifall.

If you compare the quality received per dollar spent. I guess you couldn't understand my first post.

And secondly you just proved you know nothing about business. In reality, you add melamine to up the protein levels, and sell it at a premium. Pocket the free cash, while you kill a handful of babies. You get caught, so your brand name is worthless. You change the company name and letterhead. Milk is a fungible commodity. You are back at production the next day.


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Originally Posted by GDaddy
California's avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.



You think non-white immigrants are bringing the IQ average down and you still claim you're not a xenoracist POS?

How many times do you get to spell it out before you own it?

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California's avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.



You think non-white immigrants are bringing the IQ average down and you still claim you're not a xenoracist POS?

How many times do you get to spell it out before you own it?

Actually, I'm kind of shocked that you didn't catch the point I was making that you've brought that average down. But, perhaps I shouldn't be.


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My cousin taught in the LA School District since the mid the 80's. A couple years ago she was complaining about not being able to get an Encyclopedia set for her classroom due to budget constraints but was somehow well stocked with iPads.

The real fun starts when she's directed to teach the course using the iPads first thing in the morning with the lights turned down and half of her kids falling asleep.

We can thank (worthless) "progressive" administrators in the LAUSD and Apple for that fcuking nonsense.


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Her daughter is, and she's not a blood relative. I have many impure thoughts about her.


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California's avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.



You think non-white immigrants are bringing the IQ average down and you still claim you're not a xenoracist POS?

How many times do you get to spell it out before you own it?

Actually, I'm kind of shocked that you didn't catch the point I was making that you've brought that average down. But, perhaps I shouldn't be.


I caught it alright.

That's why I called you a xenophobic POS.

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Let me guess, it's a sheer coincidence that you share the same tagline with white supremacists? roflmao

hah "It's about culture, not about race"

Sorry, diversity implies race.

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California's avg IQ ranks 47/50th.

'Cause diversity is our strength and all.



You think non-white immigrants are bringing the IQ average down and you still claim you're not a xenoracist POS?

How many times do you get to spell it out before you own it?

Actually, I'm kind of shocked that you didn't catch the point I was making that you've brought that average down. But, perhaps I shouldn't be.


I caught it alright.

That's why I called you a xenophobic POS.

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Let me guess, it's a sheer coincidence that you share the same tagline with white supremacists? roflmao

hah "It's about culture, not about race"

Sorry, diversity implies race.


Two separate concepts, genius. That's why my comment applies just as much to the shthole you came from as any other. Those morons didn't get into ethnic cleansing and rape as warfare because their race made them do it. Those values arose in those politics and culture. Choices people were never biologically compelled to make but did anyway.

America doesn't have a different level of gun violence than Canada because of racial imperatives, but because of the difference in cultural values.

You can engage in the wishful thinking all you want, but I always talk in terms of culture - that's what pissed you off in the first place. You only turned to race (via lies) because you don't have an argument in opposition to the cultural angle.


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If Baltimore, Newark and war crimes define a nation and its shitty people I think America wins over Serbia at being a shithole. Many times over. Using your own stupid definition.

Fortunately you don't have a fvcking clue what you are talking about.

Your xeno- feelz are running strong tonight. A bit of extra flow?

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There are many people who consider Baltimore and Newark shtholes due to their high crime rates. But not everyone. It's probably in the eye of the beholder.

Speaking of which, don't you consider America to be an uncivilized shthole because we will never be a socialist nation?




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You want to talk about stupidity. roflmao

Why does what a small militant fraction did during the war define the nation and its people but places like Baltimore and American war crimes don't define America?

Are black people not American?

Do you understand how fvcking stupid and gross is what you are saying?

You are a classic xenophobic piece of shit. And racist too.

I'm saying that with no rage. More pitty.

PS I don't consider ANY nation and its entire population to be shitty shitholes.

Every nation has shitty people and have done shitty things. That doesn't make it a shithole.

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And I'm laughing at you.

Just because I'm calling you a racist piece of shit doesn't mean Im angry.

I'm just using the appropriate words to accurately describe your behavior.

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I don't assume that you're capable of sustaining an LTR with anyone, but just in case you are, please don't take your frustrations with me out on them. That would make me feel bad.


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
National parks service, forestry and environmental enforcement agencies have largely been successful in conservation methods that in turn bring in huge profits in our parks and public spaces through multi usage.

So much so that many important species, both economically and environmentally, that were in very bad decline were turned around and revitalized.

Weren't we all just complaining about funding for the Dept of the Interior recently?

That means it isn't be ran well or cheaply if they can't figure that out

I still win

The DOI is a large branch of gov., I mentioned specific services within it. So my point is a bit more nuanced. All of which are ran well, maybe not cheaply but we’re talking about running a country so let’s get real here. You’re ignoring empirical facts if you don’t see this, or maybe you just don’t know (which is fine).

I don’t recall the specific instance of complaints toward funding you are referring to.

Well or cheaply.

Or being the operative word

Most government orgs run both poorly AND expensively.


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You really are special Ifall.

If you compare the quality received per dollar spent. I guess you couldn't understand my first post.

And secondly you just proved you know nothing about business. In reality, you add melamine to up the protein levels, and sell it at a premium. Pocket the free cash, while you kill a handful of babies. You get caught, so your brand name is worthless. You change the company name and letterhead. Milk is a fungible commodity. You are back at production the next day.

No amount of quality received is worth the pension money we're paying ex-fire and police. Especially those who get dual pensions

Babies shouldn't be drinking cow milk anyway, and in our theoretical example here, eventually people stop drinking milk when it is proved that all brands kill. Simple.

You really love big government don't you bootlicker?


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If you think the government running things cheaply is the answer you’re on another planet.

I’m with you on the pensions though, nix them all together.

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If you think the government running things cheaply is the answer you’re on another planet.

I’m with you on the pensions though, nix them all together.

It is the money I earn that they're taking to operate with. I am demanding they operate with efficiency.


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Go tell them that.

But it’s hard to take you seriously when you advocate the continuance of idiocracy in our gov.

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Yeah you should try it. It’s like a beacon.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
If you think the government running things cheaply is the answer you’re on another planet.

I’m with you on the pensions though, nix them all together.


Ahem.

It won't be a lot but I do plan on collecting my County of SD pension as soon as I'm eligible.

A friend of mine collects three pensions (Navy, Merchant Marine, County) and soon to be a 4th from his current job. Mailing it. roflmao


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Nixing them is probably overkill.

But there’s some serious abuse of them by public servants. We have legitimate criminals, who got caught and many served time, who still receive their pensions. That alone should warrant an audit.

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Nixing them is probably overkill.

But there’s some serious abuse of them by public servants. We have legitimate criminals, who got caught and many served time, who still receive their pensions. That alone should warrant an audit.

The double-up many do once vested is abuse of the system as well


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They're saying the 2nd generation kids from the low IQ immigration groups do get a bump when raised in the U.S. I think it's something like 5-10 points. But they apparently don't close the gap.

who are 'they'?
also you really are a racist piece of shit.
Really.


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They call it the Flyyn Effect and it's been of effect on all the groups. The gaps with some of the groups have reduced, but don't appear to be closing beyond that.

Look it up for yourself.

Avg IQ in Hong Kong and Singapore is reported at 108. Avg in S Korea is 106. The closest "white" population group is Iceland at 101 avg. It should be obvious that whitey isn't going to catch up to the east asians. Is that "racist piece of shit" too?

You know that the distribution curves for IQ are different for men than they are for women. Is is racist to be aware of that difference, too?

How is it that you're unaware of this?


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They call it the Flyyn Effect and it's been of effect on all the groups. The gaps with some of the groups have reduced, but don't appear to be closing beyond that.

Look it up for yourself.

Avg IQ in Hong Kong and Singapore is reported at 108. Avg in S Korea is 106. The closest "white" population group is Iceland at 101 avg. It should be obvious that whitey isn't going to catch up to the east asians. Is that "racist piece of shit" too?

You know that the distribution curves for IQ are different for men than they are for women. Is is racist to be aware of that difference, too?

How is it that you're unaware of this?

How do German Jews measure? I got those chinks beat by 30 points


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

I was reading somewhere else that IQ correlates with height, too (taller people mo' smarter)


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Originally Posted by GDaddy
They call it the Flyyn Effect and it's been of effect on all the groups. The gaps with some of the groups have reduced, but don't appear to be closing beyond that.

Look it up for yourself.

Avg IQ in Hong Kong and Singapore is reported at 108. Avg in S Korea is 106. The closest "white" population group is Iceland at 101 avg. It should be obvious that whitey isn't going to catch up to the east asians. Is that "racist piece of shit" too?

You know that the distribution curves for IQ are different for men than they are for women. Is is racist to be aware of that difference, too?

How is it that you're unaware of this?


You're fvcking gross. You are out in the open about being a racist POS but you don't want to own it. Snowflake.

PS Tesla was a Serbian, straight out of the low IQ immigration stock. He was also a shitty person from a shithole country according to you.
Should have never come here and mess with Edison.

Like you are from a high IQ immigration group. roflmao

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

I was reading somewhere else that IQ correlates with height, too (taller people mo' smarter)

I'm 6'-6"


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They call it the Flyyn Effect and it's been of effect on all the groups. The gaps with some of the groups have reduced, but don't appear to be closing beyond that.

Look it up for yourself.

Avg IQ in Hong Kong and Singapore is reported at 108. Avg in S Korea is 106. The closest "white" population group is Iceland at 101 avg. It should be obvious that whitey isn't going to catch up to the east asians. Is that "racist piece of shit" too?

You know that the distribution curves for IQ are different for men than they are for women. Is is racist to be aware of that difference, too?

How is it that you're unaware of this?


You're fvcking gross. You are out in the open about being a racist POS but you don't want to own it. Snowflake.

PS Tesla was a Serbian, straight out of the low IQ immigration stock. He was also a shitty person from a shithole country according to you.
Should have never come here and mess with Edison.

Like you are from a high IQ immigration group. roflmao

Group IQ or other characteristics are completely meaningless when it comes down to dealing with any individual. All you have is what's directly in front of you. That's precisely why identify politics is inherently immoral.

You might have a 95IQ that puts you higher than the Serbian average, or it might be closer to 80. After all, the average is just an average.

The larger point is that the social values that will arise out of a population with an average IQ of 80 will be way different than the social values that arise out of a population group with an average IQ of 106. Not just in terms of the use of violence or the types of crime that prevail, but also in all sorts of issues such as prioritizing long term perspectives over short term perspectives, the value of education or religion or individualism vs collectivism, etc.

Why else would Japan look different from Australia or America?



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Are you attributing causality to correlates?


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There's no such thing as all or nothing. But some factors obviously will figure more heavily than others, particularly when you're seeing the similar patterns in different population groups all over the world.

But even within the same extended family, the different households will perform differently based on the different decisions people choose to make. Everyone understands that point and the related parallels in every other group they actively participate in, but then they freak out when the same patterns are pointed out in larger groups.

Why is your brother's outcome different than yours? Because one of you was oppressed by the Patriarchy and denied social equity, or is it more likely you two simply made different choices based on different priorities? Could you live in harmony in your brother's house without making certain changes to your priorities? Probably not.

It's only a problem for you if you think everyone is a widget and that simply changing their zip code automatically changes anything else about them.



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As always, you're ignoring the socioeconomic status and concentrating on the IQ gap based on race and nationality.

When you account for the socioeconomic status the gap is small to non existent.

You hate the facts.

Like the fact that parts of the population which have been segregated, pushed down economically, denied education and systematically discriminated against for centuries would have poorer cognitive abilities as the result.

But no, it's because they didn't make the right choices.


Your claims about inherent intelligence levels based on race and nationality were used to justify colonialism, slavery, racism, social Darwinism, and racial eugenics.

What you're arguing for is the very basis for white supremacy.

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Are you attributing causality to correlates?


Always.

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