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Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: ifallalot] #2996563
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
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Originally Posted by Kento
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We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.

Oh I'm not, but it is marginally better just because private sector companies need to make money, the government can run at a deficit infinitely.

It’s laughable that you think the idea of profit inherently means the private sector does it better.

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Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs


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Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: ifallalot] #2996589
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs


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Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: ifallalot] #2996592
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Of course there’s a TON of waste in government, that’s a pretty low hanging fruit.

And you’re final point in regards to private industry and operating costs by no means makes it run better for the consumer; often times it’s the complete opposite. You have to have some rose colored glasses on or just be straight up willfully ignorant to think that, especially in the context of healthcare.

Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: hal9000] #2996596
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I don't like the command and control trend I see in education.




Yeah but how else are you going to create loyal, unquestioning subjects?


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Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: hal9000] #2996602
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Originally Posted by hal9000
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Duffy
We hav one of (if not the) highest per pupil funding in the world.


Unfortunately only a fraction goes towards the students.

Kinda like how we throw a shitload of money at the military yet our soldiers that are actually fighting had trouble getting body armor.

Almost seems like a pattern. Administraters and bureaucrats are basically a bunch of Somali warlords but with nicer desks.

The model for government controlled universal healthcare


Don't kid yourself that the private sector is any better.




With our patchwork system of private health insurance we spend way more on healthcare than any other country with worse outcomes.



Actually better outcomes....but at what cost.


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The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: manbearpig] #2996674
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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Name me anything the government does well or cheaply.

I'll wait

And it is less the idea of profit itself as opposed to just making up the operating costs. The private sector has to have money coming in, from peoples' free will to function. The government just takes what it wants/needs

Of course there’s a TON of waste in government, that’s a pretty low hanging fruit.

And you’re final point in regards to private industry and operating costs by no means makes it run better for the consumer; often times it’s the complete opposite. You have to have some rose colored glasses on or just be straight up willfully ignorant to think that, especially in the context of healthcare.

We're not talking about better for the consumer, we're talking about better THAN government


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Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: ifallalot] #2996694
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Ok, point remains.

If you think private is inherently better you’re not being honest.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Ok, point remains.

If you think private is inherently better you’re not being honest.

I'm being totally honest and correct. it is about funding. Eventually, even in a MASSIVE corporation, the income is based on free will of consumers. The government's funding is based on theft


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Like I said you have to have your eyes closed to not recognize private industry has those same exact problems that are fueled simply by profit.

Can I get a bit of whatever you’re smoking?

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The average private K-12 school that I've seen runs extremely lean on the administrative side and they don't pay their teachers or leadership nearly as well as the public school districts.

Catholic schools, for example. We don't normally think of them being very top-heavy and inefficient.

Another big (huge) advantage those schools have is they can kick kids out who are disruptive or who aren't performing or whose parents are a PITA. They are not required to tolerate the level of BS that can occur in the public schools. Participating in those schools is not a no-strings-attached entitlement.

School vouchers diverting even only 50% of the per/student funding to schools of the parents' choice would probably make a big dent in the economic feasibility of the public school districts.


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Like I said you have to have your eyes closed to not recognize private industry has those same exact problems that are fueled simply by profit.

Can I get a bit of whatever you’re smoking?

Once again

"we're talking about better THAN government"

Even when two things are bad, one thing can be better than the other. Believe me, I see bureaucratic crap everywhere I work. The difference is, and the end of the day, this will cause failure. The government just keeps growing and growing

And I'd like whatever you're smoking trying to defend government. It is known and accepted that anything ran by the government anywhere is a morass of waste and inefficiency.


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Re: Greedy teachers are making Amazon wish lists [Re: ifallalot] #2996983
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I think I was pretty clear I was not defending government.

The point was both sectors are ripe with similar issues of waste and exploitation.

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And my point is the government is worse because it doesn't have to answer to anyone

You're just arguing to argue, I never said that there was no waste in private industry


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School vouchers diverting even only 50% of the per/student funding to schools of the parents' choice would probably make a big dent in the economic feasibility of the public school districts.


This.

Some people want to destroy public education.

The right always has, but now the left wants to too.

Trippy.


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