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Re: Trump Is NOT A Racist: Change My Mind. [Re: Coat Hanger] #2994069
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Originally Posted by Coat Hanger
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Originally Posted by GromsDad
If so, why did you just post a bunch of outright lies and out of context distortions?


Are you denying he called Mexicans rapists? That he said Curiel should not preside because he’s Hispanic? “Go back”? What exactly are you denying?

Do you see that while he insults everyone (crooked Hillary, sleepy joe, low energy jeb) he predominantly reserves insults about intelligence to black people (and women)?

He said Nazis have “fine people,”

Where are the lies and distortions?


Didn't call Mexicans rapists.

Didn't say Curiel should not preside because he was hispanic

Never said nazi's were or had fine people.

Why do you lie so much?



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Originally Posted by Coat Hanger
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by GromsDad
If so, why did you just post a bunch of outright lies and out of context distortions?


Are you denying he called Mexicans rapists? That he said Curiel should not preside because he’s Hispanic? “Go back”? What exactly are you denying?

Do you see that while he insults everyone (crooked Hillary, sleepy joe, low energy jeb) he predominantly reserves insults about intelligence to black people (and women)?

He said Nazis have “fine people,”

Where are the lies and distortions?


Didn't call Mexicans rapists.

Didn't say Curiel should not preside because he was hispanic

Never said nazi's were or had fine people.

Why do you lie so much?


I’ll take your incontrovertibly false response as an admission that, yes, what he said was racist

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And you're still lying


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Re: Trump Is NOT A Racist: Change My Mind. [Re: ifallalot] #2994216
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
And you're still lying



You’re lying by saying I’m lying.

Re: Trump Is NOT A Racist: Change My Mind. [Re: GromsDad] #2994217
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Trump’s comments about Curiel


TAPPER: What does this have to do with his heritage?
TRUMP: I'll tell you what it has to do. I've had ruling after ruling after ruling that's been bad rulings, OK? I've been treated very unfairly. Before him, we had another judge. If that judge was still there, this case would have been over two years ago.
Let me just tell you, I've had horrible rulings, I've been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I'm building a wall, OK? I'm building a wall. I am going to do very well with the Hispanics, the Mexicans --
TAPPER: So, no Mexican judge could ever be involved in a case that involves you?
TRUMP: Well, he's a member of a society, where -- you know, very pro-Mexico, and that's fine. It's all fine, but --
TAPPER: Except that you're calling into question his heritage.
TRUMP: I think he should recuse himself.
TAPPER: Because he's Latino?
TRUMP: Then, you also say, does he know the lawyer on the other side? I mean, does he know the lawyer? You know, a lot of people say --
TAPPER: But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about --
TRUMP: That's another problem.
TAPPER: You're invoking his race, talking about whether or not he can do his job.
TRUMP: Jake, I'm building a wall. OK? I'm building a wall. I'm trying to keep business out of Mexico. Mexico's fine.
TAPPER: But he's an American.
TRUMP: He's of Mexican heritage and he's very proud of it,
as I am where I come from, my parents.
TAPPER: But he's an American. You keep talking about it's a conflict of interest because of Mexico.
TRUMP: Jake, are you ready? I have a case that should have already been dismissed. I have thousands of people saying Trump University is fantastic, OK? I have a case that should have been dismissed. A judge that never, ever gives -- now, we lose the plaintiff. He lets the plaintiff of the case out.
So, why isn't he calling the case? So, we thought we won the case.
TAPPER: So, you disagree with his rulings. I totally understand that.
TRUMP: I've had lawyers come up to me and say, you are being treated so unfairly. It's unbelievable. You know the plaintiffs in the case have all said wonderful things about the school and they're suing. You know why they're suing? Because they want to get their money back.
TAPPER: I don't want to really litigate the case of Trump University.
TRUMP: You have to, because if he was giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't say that.
TAPPER: My question is --
TRUMP: Jake, if you were giving me fair rulings, I wouldn't be talking to you this way. He's given me horrible rulings.
TAPPER: I don't care if you criticize him, that's fine. You can criticize every decision. What I'm saying, if you invoke his race as a reason why he can't do his job.
TRUMP: I think that's why he's doing it. I think that's why he's doing it.

TAPPER: When Hillary Clinton says it's a racist attack --
TRUMP: Hillary Clinton is a stiff. If Hillary Clinton becomes president --
TAPPER: Paul Ryan today -- Paul Ryan today said he didn't care for the way that you are attacking this judge.
TRUMP: Look, I'm just telling you, Paul Ryan doesn't know the case. Here's the story --
TAPPER: Isn't it the --
TRUMP: I should have won this case on summary judgment. This is not a -- this is a case I should have won on summary judgment. You know, the law firm paid Hillary Clinton hundreds of thousands of dollars to make speeches. You know the law firm --
TAPPER: I do. And we reported -- we reported it on my show.
TRUMP: OK. I'm glad. You're the only one.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: Wait a minute. A law firm paid hundreds and thousands of dollars to Hillary Clinton for speeches.
TAPPER: Before either of you --
TRUMP: She wasn't working. Everyone fell asleep during a speech, OK?
TAPPER: Before either of you were running for president, they did.
But here's the final fundamental question --
TRUMP: Do you know they've contributed tremendous amounts of money to her campaign?
TAPPER: Yes.
TRUMP: Do you know they contributed a lot of money to Eric Schneiderman, the New York attorney general?
TAPPER: Here's my question --
TRUMP: No, no, do you know that?
TAPPER: I did not know that.
TRUMP: Did you know they went to every attorney general practically in the country that they could and did you know this case was turned down by almost every attorney general from Texas to Florida and to many other states?
TAPPER: Is it not -- when Hillary Clinton says this is a racist attack, and you reject that -- if you're saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?
TRUMP: No. I don't think so at all.
TAPPER: No?
TRUMP: No. He's proud of his heritage. I respect him for that.
TAPPER: But you're saying you can't do his job because of that.
TRUMP: Look, he's proud of his heritage, OK? I'm building a wall.
Now, I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics because they are going to get jobs right now. They are going to get jobs. I think I'm going to do very well with Hispanics.
We are building a wall. He's a Mexican. We're building a wall between here and Mexico.

The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings, rulings that people can't even believe. This case should have ended years ago in summary judgment. The best lawyers, I have spoken to so many lawyers, they said, this is not a case. This is a case that should have ended.
TAPPER: I --
TRUMP: This judge is giving us unfair rulings. Now, I say why? Well, I'm building a wall, OK? And it's a wall between Mexico. Not another [b]country.[/b]
TAPPER: But he's not from Mexico. He's from Indiana.
TRUMP: He's of Mexican heritage and he's very proud of it.

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Re: Trump Is NOT A Racist: Change My Mind. [Re: Uberkuque] #2994218
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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
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And you're still lying



You’re lying by saying I’m lying.

I know you are but what am I


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Some Mexicans are rapists, and the ones that happen to work as coyotes tend to be rapists in higher numbers than the general public. Some Americans are rapists as well, is that also a racist statement?

He never said Nazis are fine people either, he said there were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Not even close to every single person on the Right during Charlottesville were Nazis, just like not every single person on the Left were Antifa

And if you take even a tiny shred of perspective on how Trump is a dumbass in the interview about Curiel, you can tell he's trying to say that Curiel is biased because of his pro-Mexico stances, not simply because he's Mexican. Sure, it sounds like that on the surface but we have to remember Trump is not a smart or well-spoken man. Don't attribute stupidity as malice


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Re: Trump Is NOT A Racist: Change My Mind. [Re: ifallalot] #2994229
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Some Mexicans are rapists, and the ones that happen to work as coyotes tend to be rapists in higher numbers than the general public. Some Americans are rapists as well, is that also a racist statement?


But nobody said that some Americans are rapists.

Do you see how fvcking stupid that statement would be?

Besides that, you would be told that you hate America.

But because it's Mexicans, it's fine with you.

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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Some Mexicans are rapists, and the ones that happen to work as coyotes tend to be rapists in higher numbers than the general public. Some Americans are rapists as well, is that also a racist statement?

He never said Nazis are fine people either, he said there were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville. Not even close to every single person on the Right during Charlottesville were Nazis, just like not every single person on the Left were Antifa

And if you take even a tiny shred of perspective on how Trump is a dumbass in the interview about Curiel, you can tell he's trying to say that Curiel is biased because of his pro-Mexico stances, not simply because he's Mexican. Sure, it sounds like that on the surface but we have to remember Trump is not a smart or well-spoken man. Don't attribute stupidity as malice



Full-on pretzel logic in defense of who you acknowledge is an unabashed idiot.

In fact judging from the curiel interview trump is so stupid he did not even know or realize it is discriminatory to force his recusal because he is Hispanic.

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Originally Posted by FecalFace
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Some Mexicans are rapists, and the ones that happen to work as coyotes tend to be rapists in higher numbers than the general public. Some Americans are rapists as well, is that also a racist statement?


But nobody said that some Americans are rapists.

Do you see how fvcking stupid that statement would be?

Besides that, you would be told that you hate America.

But because it's Mexicans, it's fine with you.


Duh. The clear implication is that Mexicans are more likely to be rapists.

But! Trump is too stupid to be racist. So there!

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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Some Mexicans are rapists, and the ones that happen to work as coyotes tend to be rapists in higher numbers than the general public. Some Americans are rapists as well, is that also a racist statement?


But nobody said that some Americans are rapists.

Do you see how fvcking stupid that statement would be?

Besides that, you would be told that you hate America.

But because it's Mexicans, it's fine with you.


Duh. The clear implication is that Mexicans are more likely to be rapists.

But! Trump is too stupid to be racist. So there!

No, there is no implication that ALL Mexicans are racist. That's why the American example was used

When you look for racism everywhere, you find it


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Mexican is not a race. It's like saying you are American.

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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Some Mexicans are rapists, and the ones that happen to work as coyotes tend to be rapists in higher numbers than the general public. Some Americans are rapists as well, is that also a racist statement?


But nobody said that some Americans are rapists.

Do you see how fvcking stupid that statement would be?

Besides that, you would be told that you hate America.

But because it's Mexicans, it's fine with you.


Duh. The clear implication is that Mexicans are more likely to be rapists.

But! Trump is too stupid to be racist. So there!

No, there is no implication that ALL Mexicans are racist. That's why the American example was used

When you look for racism everywhere, you find it


Imagine if someone said that America is sending their rapists and murderers to their country, which has no basis in reality.

It's a sheer mischaracterization that insults and denigrates the entire nation and a huge population of immigrants.

The only reason someone would say that is if they hate Americans.

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Originally Posted by rts265
Mexican is not a race. It's like saying you are American.


So what do you call that type of bigotry then?

Give me a word that describes that type of behavior accurately and I will not say the R word ever again.

Thanks.

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