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Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? #2989951
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Hey all, Ive been thinking about getting a proper board for bigger days. I have some $ in the board fund after selling a few and am pretty happy with everything I have from ankle high to OH. I feel like I have the smaller wave boards dialed in as far as what works for me. Unfortunately I have no idea what will work and what will not in a bigger board.
About me: 6'4 210lbs. Like about 36L. Have a 6'3 Monsta box for HH days and a 6'5 Ghost for HH+.

Was thinking about a board for DOH days at Sunset Cliffs, a certain Mexican point break that needs a big board, or some of the other reefs around me that would help me get in early.

Hydronaut is intriguing, mostly because it is a shorter package - that might be easier to get in my car or pack in a board bag. I think I'd need to go to the biggest possible size at 6'8 to get more foam in it. I am a bit concerned by reading Casa's impressions: that it was not a great paddler. The board gets pretty wide in the larger models. Anyone had this board a few sizes bigger ?

Padillac seems to pack the foam and seems to be meant for what I am looking for. But how big do I go? At a certain point I wont be able to get the board in my car, or I wont have a board bag to travel with it.

Any thoughts? Im kind of lost trying to size this. Any rules of thumb to share? What has worked for you?

Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2989968
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I'm 6'2 and between 210 to 215. My big wave board is a 6'8 x 20.75 x 2 7/8 Channel Islands Proton. Honestly, it is more personal preference once the waves get to DOH size at places like Sunset Cliffs. I've never felt undersized on my 6'8 in the big stuff, but I haven't surfed Sunset Cliffs or point breaks with it. I mostly surf reef breaks or beach breaks.

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FWIW, I have a hydronaut and don't think it's a bad paddler. I love it for the conditions it's intended for.

Don't have any experience with the padillac, so I can't compare the two.


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Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2990043
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Padillac is also on my radar. Seems like good double stap for the cliffs which has a lot of paddling when big


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Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2990060
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My Hydronaut was a 5'10 (I'm 5'8/150) 26 something L and while I always felt confident paddling into waves it was all the other time spent paddling that it felt like a shit paddler. i.e. left me shitting me pants due to lack of paddleability a few times. That nose rocker seems to just pushes water sometimes. After the second time thinking to myself "I had the Slayer 2 in the van, I should've ridden that" as I was scratching for the horizon feeling like I was going nowhere I had pretty much had enough. I'm talking about really juicy, hollow, not California beachbreaks in the 10 ft range.

For comparison Slayer 2 is 5'8 26 something L , a much better paddler and way more versatile. Pretty amazing board IMO - really does feel like a stepup. It does feel like a stepup under arm but I still was pretty skeptical when Clint gave me the selling points.

Maybe go see Clint @ Rusty and see what he recommends.



Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2990105
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Would definitely recommend a padillac or lost retro gun.

Size should be determined by the size of waves you want to ride.

How big of waves do you want to ride? DOH? TOH?

Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2990111
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Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2990127
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Padillac : $1195.00 USD

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There are tons of guys in SD who have logged hours upon hours at the exact spots you're talking about or are at least familiar with those waves and will make you a board that suits your needs for much less.

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Wow, surely that's for a massive one?

Yep, go with a local guy. Maybe Rusty? He makes some beautiful guns.

Re: Oversized hydronaut or Padillac? [Re: cdes] #2990151
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Padillac all the way. In early, solid feel, confidence inducing.

The boards in the 7-8 foot rage run around $900 retail.

I have an 8’6 and am looking to get another one (7’0-7’4).


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Two thumbs down to the idea of ordering an oversized Tomo as a step up or mini gun. I would get a board that’s intended to be ridden at that length, like the Pyzel. I have an epic 6’11 Stamps. Pm me if you want the serial number for an order. That GG looks amazing too.

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6'8" Rusty Blackbird is a perfect stepup for SD/Mex. Paddles great. I got mine last winter after being way-undergunned during that massive DOH December swell at Garbage in The Cliffs. Got tossed around and had one of those panicked moments where I truly regretted being out there on a 5'11", and said never again.
If you keep your eye out, you can usually find one on CL in good condition.
If you want something in a smaller package, could try the Slayer. But I appreciate the reassuring length/paddling power of the Blackbird when there is a lot of water moving around.

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Originally Posted by J_D_J
Two thumbs down to the idea of ordering an oversized Tomo as a step up or mini gun. I would get a board that’s intended to be ridden at that length, like the Pyzel. I have an epic 6’11 Stamps. Pm me if you want the serial number for an order. That GG looks amazing too.


X2.

I would go for something that's designed to be ridden at that length rather than oversizing a Tomo. Also I'd avoid EPS (Firewire) for a step up as well. XTR would be a better option if you were to go Tomo route but as much as I dig XTR I think PU is the safest bet for a big wave board.

Many good options have already been listed in this thread.

My vote is for a gigantic channel bottomed twin fin with no rocker. hat


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The Blackbird has had pretty positive feedback here. I wish I had one.

It was R&D'd in SD by the shaper himself, who is a barrel hound.



Go to Rusty and ask to speak with Clint, he will spend the time to dial you in for what you need and he's from your neck of the woods.

Someone in Hawaii or Orange County is likely not going to have that same insight. And just my opinion, that for boards for bigger waves you need that insight.

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As far as the Hydronaut goes, the R&D for that board was at Baja Malibu.

You do not need to "oversize it" the dimensions can be tweaked like he did mine.

That said it sounds like you're looking for something more versatile and I think the Blackbird is along those lines.

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I love my 6'8 Blackbird. Ride it at big OBSF. Does what Clint says it does. Also had an excellent custom order experience with Rusty. Placed my order through my local shop and Rick Hamon, a long time and venerable Rusty shaper, called the next day to discuss. Rick shaped the board that week and put on the next truck up to SF. About to order another Blackbird, this time 7'4. That said, I see a lot of guys on Padillacs up here, and I love my Pyzels. Padillac as a slightly flatter entry rocker and is less foiled.

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Originally Posted by bluengreen
I love my 6'8 Blackbird. Ride it at big OBSF. Does what Clint says it does. Also had an excellent custom order experience with Rusty. Placed my order through my local shop and Rick Hamon, a long time and venerable Rusty shaper, called the next day to discuss. Rick shaped the board that week and put on the next truck up to SF. About to order another Blackbird, this time 7'4. That said, I see a lot of guys on Padillacs up here, and I love my Pyzels. Padillac as a slightly flatter entry rocker and is less foiled.


Based on the lower entry and fuller foil, I would think Padillac would be a better paddler and wave catcher but maybe not as good for turns? It seems like The Tank from Pyzel would be a more comparable board to the Blackbird and while I haven't heard much feedback yet I don't think you can go wrong with Pyzel for a step up/gun...

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Originally Posted by cdes
Hey all, Ive been thinking about getting a proper board for bigger days. I have some $ in the board fund after selling a few and am pretty happy with everything I have from ankle high to OH. I feel like I have the smaller wave boards dialed in as far as what works for me. Unfortunately I have no idea what will work and what will not in a bigger board.
About me: 6'4 210lbs. Like about 36L. Have a 6'3 Monsta box for HH days and a 6'5 Ghost for HH+.

Was thinking about a board for DOH days at Sunset Cliffs, a certain Mexican point break that needs a big board, or some of the other reefs around me that would help me get in early.

Hydronaut is intriguing, mostly because it is a shorter package - that might be easier to get in my car or pack in a board bag. I think I'd need to go to the biggest possible size at 6'8 to get more foam in it. I am a bit concerned by reading Casa's impressions: that it was not a great paddler. The board gets pretty wide in the larger models. Anyone had this board a few sizes bigger ?

Padillac seems to pack the foam and seems to be meant for what I am looking for. But how big do I go? At a certain point I wont be able to get the board in my car, or I wont have a board bag to travel with it.

Any thoughts? Im kind of lost trying to size this. Any rules of thumb to share? What has worked for you?



Rule of thumb: at least 1' bigger than your stepup. So I'd go 7'6'-8'0" depending on your skill level. If you want to tackle TOH go bigger. Go with the padillac and use stock dims. Also order custom to get less glass. For Ca/Baja you dont want 6+6/6.

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Obviously my opinion is somewhat bias but I definitely think an oversized hydronaut is the way to go. I’ve thought about getting one as well but I don’t surf big waves enough to get one. The biggest for me personally is 5’9” but if I was surfing big waves I don’t see anything wrong with getting a 6’0 or 6’1” (other than it might be tough to engage the rails). If you need bigger than what Firewire offers as stock you can always order custom through xtr. But I think the hydronaut is the best big wave board ever. Ask Ezra about the hydronaut. He swears by it as true best big wave board he’s ever ridden. shaka


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Originally Posted by deforest
Obviously my opinion is somewhat bias but I definitely think an oversized hydronaut is the way to go. I’ve thought about getting one as well but I don’t surf big waves enough to get one. The biggest for me personally is 5’9” but if I was surfing big waves I don’t see anything wrong with getting a 6’0 or 6’1” (other than it might be tough to engage the rails). If you need bigger than what Firewire offers as stock you can always order custom through xtr. But I think the hydronaut is the best big wave board ever. Ask Ezra about the hydronaut. He swears by it as true best big wave board he’s ever ridden. shaka


Ezra is using a normal sized Hydro as a step-up. It’s not a “big wave board”. For him it’s pretty much his regular everyday board.


And the one he had that I fondled felt a lot like poly/pu to me....


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for the wave u r describing i would not go with a stub stap. go full stap or double stap


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So I ended up finding a good deal on a 6'8" Hydronaut (Im a big dude), so Im going to give it a shot. My "normal" Tomo volume would be about a 6'4" Hydronaut, so this is definitely more foam. But it is only about 1/4" thicker and 1/4" wider than my Cymatic. I guess I wont know how it'll go until we get some serious swell. If it doesnt pan out, I can always try something else later. Stoked on every other board in my quiver - just gotta dial in this board for 1% of the days!

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Originally Posted by Oeste858
6'8" Rusty Blackbird is a perfect stepup for SD/Mex. Paddles great. I got mine last winter after being way-undergunned during that massive DOH December swell at Garbage in The Cliffs. Got tossed around and had one of those panicked moments where I truly regretted being out there on a 5'11", and said never again.


I took my 6'8" out to Ab on that swell. Sets were hitting south of the main peak and way outside in the DOH+ range and cranking on through. A lot of people learned the "foam is your friend" lesson the hard way that day. I saw about 25 people make it into what they thought was the lineup, and 23 walking back up the trail with barely-wet 6'0"s and tails between their legs ten minutes later. Two of us made it out to the actual peak: me and a kid on an 8'0". I was the only one that caught anything and got a completely solo session for most of the afternoon.

Even the 6'8" could have used some more foam. I would have been happy with a 7'0" or even 7'4-7'6". I got washed through a couple times and had to paddle back out from the channel south of Newbreak.

I was stoked until I heard that some of the LJ reefs were all-time that day and I made the wrong call.


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