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Re: Trump's accomplishments [Re: Kento] #2983172
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Originally Posted by Kento
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So you guys are dishonest or can't read the dates at the bottom of the graph? Which is it?


Obama took office in 2009 and left in 2017.

Should we also make a graph depicting the relative size of Swedes and their respective intelligence?


The hard work of repairing the RE bubble burst and banking crash related to it, was already under way before Obama set foot in office Jan 2009. Recession "officially" ended only a few months later (June 2009) due to WHAT Obama economic policies again? (oh yeah, "cash for clunkers" was a big boost rolleyes )

Problem was, it felt like the recession never ended for years after June 2009. As mentioned above, weakest GDP growth in modern history continued on his entire presidency.

Stock market was WAY oversold, and basically had no where to go but up from March 2009 depths (once bad banks were all redistributed and resold).

Obama just didn't fook up what was already in place to mend the economy he inherited. Adding Obamacare to the mix, though, resulted in economic stagnation the last 2-3 years of his term.

Pretty hard to vastly improve an economy that was already supposedly "mended", especially after all the 2016 post-election MSM predictions of huge market crashes and economic doom. But we're now seeing better overall economic conditions than most any time in decades. How long it lasts? Who knows?



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Obama was so awesome that he lost his party both the House and the Senate on his tenure and his party's chosen successor charged to a massive victory in 2016 as Obama's 3rd term.
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Oh wait........that last thing didn't happen.


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Deficit over $1T
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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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I mean that’s exactly what the graph says shrug

Thanks Obama!


The graph says optimism was dropping significantly in the last 2+ years of Obama admin.

The stock market also stalled the last 2+ years of Obama due to the realities of Obamacare dragging anchor on the economy in general. We were stagnating in "the new normal" of the weakest GDP growth in modern history (Obama's legacy).

The exact day after Trump was elected, optimism and stock market took off. Can't deny it.

Actually the economy has been on the up since the Obama years. Using that graph as a blanket example is incredibly dishonest and inaccurate.

We’ve been on an upward trend after a pretty bad recession. But keep pretending the Obama years were like living in a Mad Max movie.

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Originally Posted by stu dog
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by manbearpig
I mean that’s exactly what the graph says shrug

Thanks Obama!


The graph says optimism was dropping significantly in the last 2+ years of Obama admin.

The stock market also stalled the last 2+ years of Obama due to the realities of Obamacare dragging anchor on the economy in general. We were stagnating in "the new normal" of the weakest GDP growth in modern history (Obama's legacy).

The exact day after Trump was elected, optimism and stock market took off. Can't deny it.


stock market was up 147% over Obama's 8 years. 51% by 30 months into his Presidency compared to 38% for Cheeto.
https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

last two years of Obama the market was up 5%
https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years


Obama had a WAY oversold market bottom that basically had no where to go BUT up. Hard work already in place, just don't fook it up.

Trump inherited a stagnating though stable market, and still had it rise incredibly after. Hard to do, when already near highs.

Last 2 years of Obama market was basically flat (near zero gains, with 2 sell-offs/corrections between) from Nov. 2014 to Nov 2016, election day. Not exactly robust by any measure. This was supposed to be "The New Normal" and we were to take it and like it.


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Re: Trump's accomplishments [Re: utoma] #2983182
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I think that optimism index is the small business optimism index, which makes sense that it got a bump when Trump got elected due to him promising tax cuts. The Tax cuts end up did giving the top % earners more tax cuts than the bottom and set up an increase deficit for future generations.

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If you look at Economic Optimism, it doesn't paint as pretty a picture.

[img]https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.n...021416a1&d1=19190101&d2=20191231[/img]

Consumer Confidence as well:

[img]https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.n...0101&d2=20191231&h=300&w=600[/img]



What I'm saying, is that it is not a clear cut picture. Things have recovered from the recession, and continued to get better. And small business owners were optimistic for their tax cuts.

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Originally Posted by GromsDad
Look at the graph freefall as it looks like Obama is going to win and then again around election day. Look at how it never rebounds to Bush era levels for his entire term. Look what it does starting the day Trumby wins the election.


you're defining a very arbitrary threshold and also ignoring the clear trend line.

how...unusual.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog

Trump inherited a stagnating though stable market, and still had it rise incredibly after. Hard to do, when already near highs.

Last 2 years of Obama market was basically flat (near zero gains, with 2 sell-offs/corrections between) from Nov. 2014 to Nov 2016, election day. Not exactly robust by any measure.


It's not hard to do at all; just jack the deficit up.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by GromsDad
So you guys are dishonest or can't read the dates at the bottom of the graph? Which is it?


Obama took office in 2009 and left in 2017.

Should we also make a graph depicting the relative size of Swedes and their respective intelligence?


The hard work of repairing the RE bubble burst and banking crash related to it, was already under way before Obama set foot in office Jan 2009. Recession "officially" ended only a few months later (June 2009) due to WHAT Obama economic policies again? (oh yeah, "cash for clunkers" was a big boost rolleyes )

Problem was, if felt like the recession never ended for years after June 2009. As mentioned above, weakest GDP growth in modern history continued on his entire presidency.

Stock market was WAY oversold, and basically had no where to go but up from March 2009 depths (once bad banks were all redistributed and resold).

Obama just didn't fook up what was already in place to mend the economy he inherited. Adding Obamacare to the mix, though, resulted in economic stagnation the last 2-3 years of his term.

Pretty hard to vastly improve an economy that was already supposedly "mended", especially after all the 2016 post-election MSM predictions of huge market crashes and economic doom. But we're now seeing better overall economic conditions than most any time in decades. How long it lasts? Who knows?



And yet, with all that, optimism steadily increased throughout his term. As far as 2016, with all the election BS that year (more so than normal), of course optimism went into the tank. Knowing that Trump would ignore/fook over Americans in the pursuit of more corporate profits of course increased big business optimism following his election.

Are you really sure about better overall economic conditions? For the ultra-rich (they can now afford 40 of Epstein's chattel a night instead of 20) or for normal Americans?


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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

Trump inherited a stagnating though stable market, and still had it rise incredibly after. Hard to do, when already near highs.

Last 2 years of Obama market was basically flat (near zero gains, with 2 sell-offs/corrections between) from Nov. 2014 to Nov 2016, election day. Not exactly robust by any measure.


It's not hard to do at all; just jack the deficit up.


Cash out NOW!!

Oh wait, they were claiming that Nov 2016.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

Trump inherited a stagnating though stable market, and still had it rise incredibly after. Hard to do, when already near highs.

Last 2 years of Obama market was basically flat (near zero gains, with 2 sell-offs/corrections between) from Nov. 2014 to Nov 2016, election day. Not exactly robust by any measure.


It's not hard to do at all; just jack the deficit up.


Cash out NOW!!

Oh wait, they were claiming that Nov 2016.


Now is not a good time to cash out at all; the Orange Retard is running a massive deficit and going after the Fed to cut rates when employment and inflation are already in good shape.

Need to get that cash ahead of the next recession, which, apparently if Trump profited from it, you're a capitalist, and if you plan to profit from the next one, you hate America and need to go back to wherever you're from.


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Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by GromsDad
So you guys are dishonest or can't read the dates at the bottom of the graph? Which is it?


Obama took office in 2009 and left in 2017.

Should we also make a graph depicting the relative size of Swedes and their respective intelligence?


The hard work of repairing the RE bubble burst and banking crash related to it, was already under way before Obama set foot in office Jan 2009. Recession "officially" ended only a few months later (June 2009) due to WHAT Obama economic policies again? (oh yeah, "cash for clunkers" was a big boost rolleyes )

Problem was, if felt like the recession never ended for years after June 2009. As mentioned above, weakest GDP growth in modern history continued on his entire presidency.

Stock market was WAY oversold, and basically had no where to go but up from March 2009 depths (once bad banks were all redistributed and resold).

Obama just didn't fook up what was already in place to mend the economy he inherited. Adding Obamacare to the mix, though, resulted in economic stagnation the last 2-3 years of his term.

Pretty hard to vastly improve an economy that was already supposedly "mended", especially after all the 2016 post-election MSM predictions of huge market crashes and economic doom. But we're now seeing better overall economic conditions than most any time in decades. How long it lasts? Who knows?



And yet, with all that, optimism steadily increased throughout his term. As far as 2016, with all the election BS that year (more so than normal), of course optimism went into the tank. Knowing that Trump would ignore/fook over Americans in the pursuit of more corporate profits of course increased big business optimism following his election.

Are you really sure about better overall economic conditions? For the ultra-rich (they can now afford 40 of Epstein's chattel a night instead of 20) or for normal Americans?


How has your 401/K and IRA's done since Nov 2016? You are part of it, like it or not, if you have a retirement account.

What are those invested in? You're retirement and/or investments depend on those big businesses. Unless you're a trustafarian and don't really give a fook where you're parents money is invested in.

If you cashed out on them at that time (Nov 2016), put them in simple interest "savings" accounts, you've lost BIG TIME. Even our minimal inflation was higher than banks interest payments by miles.

A 50% increase in less than 3 years in the DOW, even with the recent volatility. Except for the first 3 years of Obama, coming off a very bottomed out market condition, Obama never saw 50% increase period over ANY 3 year period after the first one. Trump came into what was supposed to be the "New Normal" weak GDP growth already topping out. But we've still made huge gains after.

Confidence was brought back in vogue again.

But the latest trends from the Fab 4 squad types make confidence racist.


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None of the Trumptards want to address the deficit, oh well I guess we have to wait till a D is in office.

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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by GromsDad
So you guys are dishonest or can't read the dates at the bottom of the graph? Which is it?


Obama took office in 2009 and left in 2017.

Should we also make a graph depicting the relative size of Swedes and their respective intelligence?


The hard work of repairing the RE bubble burst and banking crash related to it, was already under way before Obama set foot in office Jan 2009. Recession "officially" ended only a few months later (June 2009) due to WHAT Obama economic policies again? (oh yeah, "cash for clunkers" was a big boost rolleyes )

Problem was, if felt like the recession never ended for years after June 2009. As mentioned above, weakest GDP growth in modern history continued on his entire presidency.

Stock market was WAY oversold, and basically had no where to go but up from March 2009 depths (once bad banks were all redistributed and resold).

Obama just didn't fook up what was already in place to mend the economy he inherited. Adding Obamacare to the mix, though, resulted in economic stagnation the last 2-3 years of his term.

Pretty hard to vastly improve an economy that was already supposedly "mended", especially after all the 2016 post-election MSM predictions of huge market crashes and economic doom. But we're now seeing better overall economic conditions than most any time in decades. How long it lasts? Who knows?



And yet, with all that, optimism steadily increased throughout his term. As far as 2016, with all the election BS that year (more so than normal), of course optimism went into the tank. Knowing that Trump would ignore/fook over Americans in the pursuit of more corporate profits of course increased big business optimism following his election.

Are you really sure about better overall economic conditions? For the ultra-rich (they can now afford 40 of Epstein's chattel a night instead of 20) or for normal Americans?


How has your 401/K and IRA's done since Nov 2016? You are part of it, like it or not, if you have a retirement account.

What are those invested in? You're retirement and/or investments depend on those big businesses. Unless you're a trustafarian and don't really give a fook where you're parents money is invested in.

If you cashed out on them at that time (Nov 2016), put them in simple interest "savings" accounts, you've lost BIG TIME. Even our minimal inflation was higher than banks interest payments by miles.

A 50% increase in less than 3 years in the DOW, even with the recent volatility. Except for the first 3 years of Obama, coming off a very bottomed out market condition, Obama never saw 50% increase period over ANY 3 year period after the first one. Trump came into what was supposed to be the "New Normal" weak GDP growth already topping out. But we've still made huge gains after.

Confidence was brought back in vogue again.

But the latest trends from the Fab 4 squad types make confidence racist.


Everyone who isn't a retard has done well since Trump's election.

Everyone who isn't a retard has done well since Obama's election.

And both cleared 50% while running trillion dollar + deficits? Cool.

Let's see a budget trending back towards balance like it was under Obama.


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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

Trump inherited a stagnating though stable market, and still had it rise incredibly after. Hard to do, when already near highs.

Last 2 years of Obama market was basically flat (near zero gains, with 2 sell-offs/corrections between) from Nov. 2014 to Nov 2016, election day. Not exactly robust by any measure.


It's not hard to do at all; just jack the deficit up.


Cash out NOW!!

Oh wait, they were claiming that Nov 2016.


Now is not a good time to cash out at all; the Orange Retard is running a massive deficit and going after the Fed to cut rates when employment and inflation are already in good shape.

Need to get that cash ahead of the next recession, which, apparently if Trump profited from it, you're a capitalist, and if you plan to profit from the next one, you hate America and need to go back to wherever you're from.


I probably will tuck some of my recent gains away in cash soon, only because I'm getting closer to retirement. Need to re-balance the overweight in stocks.

Deficits have ALWAYS been a problem. We've needed to pull them down or at least keep them from growing so much for decades. If tax receipts do increase with continued prosperity, that might help, but yet to be seen. shrug

We have existing social programs that need big time help before we start adding new ones, and the Dems just can't seem to fathom that.


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