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The Selfish Actors Of Illegal Imigration #2982786
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Many people benefit from the lawbreaking: The Mexican and Central American governments, the Democratic party, employers, ethnic activists, rich progressives, and the illegal border crossers themselves.
Almost every party invested in open borders proves utterly selfish, without regard for the legitimate interests of others or of the law itself.


The Illegal Immigrant
The immigrant is the pawn of Latin American governments who view him as inanimate capital, someone who represents thousands of dollars in future foreign-exchange remittances, as well as one less mouth to feed at home — if he crosses the border, legality be damned. If that sounds a cruel or cynical appraisal, then why would the Mexican government in 2005 print a comic booklet (“Guide for the Mexican Migrant”) with instructions to its citizens on how best to cross into the United States — urging them to break American law and assuming that they could not read?

Yet for all the savagery dealt out to the immigrant — the callousness of his government, the shakedowns of the coyotes and cartels, the exploitation of his labor by new American employers — the immigrant himself is not entirely innocent. He knows — or does not care to know — that by entering the U.S., he has taken a slot from a would-be legal immigrant, one, unlike himself, who played by the rules and waited years in line for his chance to become an American.

He knowingly violates U.S. immigration law. And when the first act of an immigrant is to enter the U.S. illegally, the second to reside there unlawfully, and the third so often to adopt false identities, he undermines American law on the expectation that he will receive exemptions not accorded to U.S. citizens, much less to other legal immigrants. In terms of violations of federal law, and crimes such as hit-and-run accidents and identity theft, the illegal immigrant is overrepresented in the criminal-justice system, and indeed in federal penitentiaries.

Certainly, no Latin American government would allow foreigners to enter, reside, and work in their own country in the manner that they expect their own citizens to do so in America. Historically, the Mexican constitution, to take one example, discriminates in racial terms against both the legal and illegal immigrants, in medieval terms of ethnic essence.


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https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/illegal-immigration-many-selfish-actors-benefit/


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Re: The Selfish Actors Of Illegal Imigration [Re: CharmingSophisticate] #2982789
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I had high hopes when I tried reading that mag but it was a bunch of articles with dummies who think like you.

Idealists are like little children who want to play grown up.

You just got to pull yourself up by your boot straps!

SAD!


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
I had high hopes when I tried reading that mag but it was a bunch of articles with dummies who think like you.

Idealists are like little children who want to play grown up.

You just got to pull yourself up by your boot straps!

SAD!

I know you are but what am I?

I win, again.


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Re: The Selfish Actors Of Illegal Imigration [Re: CharmingSophisticate] #2983004
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at by entering the U.S., he has taken a slot from a would-be legal immigrant, one, unlike himself, who played by the rules and waited years in line for his chance to become an American.


ummm...what?

how does an illegal immigrant take a legal immigrant's slot?


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Originally Posted by afoaf
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at by entering the U.S., he has taken a slot from a would-be legal immigrant, one, unlike himself, who played by the rules and waited years in line for his chance to become an American.


ummm...what?

how does an illegal immigrant take a legal immigrant's slot?

If there's a quota on the number taken in or maybe a job slot.......seems to me that as much as anything it'd be infuriating to the legal immigrant to see the illegals getting equal or preferential treatment not to mention, what does the legal immigrant learn about Law in the US? Some people are more equal than others based the victim group hierarchy du jour?

Also:"... He (the illegal) knows — or does not care to know..."


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A lot of selfishness going around about the issue, for me the worst are the people who hire them, profit or enjoy low prices from illegal labor and then turn around and hate on them. Basically we are all at fault for the current situation.

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Originally Posted by CharmingSophisticate
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at by entering the U.S., he has taken a slot from a would-be legal immigrant, one, unlike himself, who played by the rules and waited years in line for his chance to become an American.


ummm...what?

how does an illegal immigrant take a legal immigrant's slot?

If there's a quota on the number taken in or maybe a job slot.......seems to me that as much as anything it'd be infuriating to the legal immigrant to see the illegals getting equal or preferential treatment not to mention, what does the legal immigrant learn about Law in the US? Some people are more equal than others based the victim group hierarchy du jour?

Also:"... He (the illegal) knows — or does not care to know..."


the only thing germane to the original statement and my question is "maybe a job slot"...but even that is a stretch


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Originally Posted by afoaf
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at by entering the U.S., he has taken a slot from a would-be legal immigrant, one, unlike himself, who played by the rules and waited years in line for his chance to become an American.


ummm...what?

how does an illegal immigrant take a legal immigrant's slot?


How does it NOT? And worse for usually underground wages and less law abiding.

Legal immigrants usually have skills sorely needed in our economy.

Illegal immigrants usually take whatever they can get, and end up being taken advantage of by the elites in the big oh so tolerant sanctuary cities. The more illegal immigrants, the cheaper the labor force stays.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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at by entering the U.S., he has taken a slot from a would-be legal immigrant, one, unlike himself, who played by the rules and waited years in line for his chance to become an American.


ummm...what?

how does an illegal immigrant take a legal immigrant's slot?


How does it NOT? And worse for usually underground wages and less law abiding.

Legal immigrants usually have skills sorely needed in our economy.

Illegal immigrants usually take whatever they can get, and end up being taken advantage of by the elites in the big oh so tolerant sanctuary cities. The more illegal immigrants, the cheaper the labor force stays.


Not that simple

Plenty of legal immigrants are used to depress wages (HB-1) too

It’s a nifty trick how lawmakers who are owned by the elite have convinced the masses that opposition to foreigners coming and depressing American wages is evil racism

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Ya, I know the HB-1 visa has depressed wages in some tech sectors. Usually code writers and other tedious tech tasks. A bachelor or masters degree is needed to even apply for it. But those are limited also. Illegal immigration has no limits on head counts allowed (obviously).

It's why illegal immigrants are now moving into low skilled areas all over the country, instead of just the usual border states. These companies need to be held accountable, and should be targeted for it.

We need e-verify more than ever, and strictly enforced.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Ya, I know the HB-1 visa has depressed wages in some tech sectors. Usually code writers and other tedious tech tasks. A bachelor or masters degree is needed to even apply for it. But those are limited also. Illegal immigration has no limits on head counts allowed (obviously).

It's why illegal immigrants are now moving into low skilled areas all over the country, instead of just the usual border states. These companies need to be held accountable, and should be targeted for it.

We need e-verify more than ever, and strictly enforced.


Yes

Notice how no democrat plan ever has any enforcement mechanism

They don’t want to make employer verify legal status and they don’t want to deport people who are found to be here illegally

Cries of racism are a shield to disguise providing quasi slave labor to their masters

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Ya, I know the HB-1 visa has depressed wages in some tech sectors. Usually code writers and other tedious tech tasks. A bachelor or masters degree is needed to even apply for it. But those are limited also. Illegal immigration has no limits on head counts allowed (obviously).

It's why illegal immigrants are now moving into low skilled areas all over the country, instead of just the usual border states. These companies need to be held accountable, and should be targeted for it.

We need e-verify more than ever, and strictly enforced.


Yes

Notice how no democrat plan ever has any enforcement mechanism

They don’t want to make employer verify legal status and they don’t want to deport people who are found to be here illegally

Cries of racism are a shield to disguise providing quasi slave labor to their masters

Lol, remember your cult leader has been hiring illegals his entire career.

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an illegal immigrant does NOT affect the quota for legal immigrants

legal immigrants are not typically competing for the same type of work that an illegal
worker is employed in...

first, even you refer to it as "underground" work (wages)

second, the amount of low-skilled legal immigrants that are allowed in is VERY low.

it's one of the key things we vet on.

the point the article tries to make is garbage.


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Originally Posted by mundus
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Ya, I know the HB-1 visa has depressed wages in some tech sectors. Usually code writers and other tedious tech tasks. A bachelor or masters degree is needed to even apply for it. But those are limited also. Illegal immigration has no limits on head counts allowed (obviously).

It's why illegal immigrants are now moving into low skilled areas all over the country, instead of just the usual border states. These companies need to be held accountable, and should be targeted for it.

We need e-verify more than ever, and strictly enforced.


Yes

Notice how no democrat plan ever has any enforcement mechanism

They don’t want to make employer verify legal status and they don’t want to deport people who are found to be here illegally

Cries of racism are a shield to disguise providing quasi slave labor to their masters

Lol, remember your cult leader has been hiring illegals his entire career.


No one is endorsing that assuming it is factual

Notice that you can’t address the substance of what I wrote

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Ya, I know the HB-1 visa has depressed wages in some tech sectors. Usually code writers and other tedious tech tasks. A bachelor or masters degree is needed to even apply for it. But those are limited also. Illegal immigration has no limits on head counts allowed (obviously).

It's why illegal immigrants are now moving into low skilled areas all over the country, instead of just the usual border states. These companies need to be held accountable, and should be targeted for it.

We need e-verify more than ever, and strictly enforced.


Yes

Notice how no democrat plan ever has any enforcement mechanism

They don’t want to make employer verify legal status and they don’t want to deport people who are found to be here illegally

Cries of racism are a shield to disguise providing quasi slave labor to their masters

Lol, remember your cult leader has been hiring illegals his entire career.


No one is endorsing that assuming it is factual

Notice that you can’t address the substance of what I wrote

Dude, it is absolute fact, not that matters to Trumptards "everything is ok when Trump does it".

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