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sh!t gets real around the :50 second mark



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He's right.

Spine surgeon/gym rat told me the same thing - also about squats.

His words:

Both exercises are great for building strength.

Unfortunately the risk/reward is not worth it. At some point everyone breaks form and/or has a pre-existing misalignment issue that results in injury.

Most common exercise responsible for chronic low back pain and disc injury in males = deadlifts.
Squats with weight = compressing the spine (stupid) and presents high risk for stress fracture even with proper form.

All of the above is apparently validated by academic research.


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Wow.

I would have thought this bit of erBB heresy would have garnered more action than this.


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I love hang cleans.

I also dead lift in rack.

And a trap bar.

Yes, I thrashed my spine with years of reckless weight lifting.

But I had fvcking blast.

These are awesome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cr0OwrM_8o



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Originally Posted by i_shapes
Wow.

I would have thought this bit of erBB heresy would have garnered more action than this.


Probably all laid up with bad backs.


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Originally Posted by Autoprax


What a disaster... foreheadslap


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No.

You just don't want to go too heavy.

Try them. They are really easy on your spine. It's the only floor pull I can do now.

People work out too much in the sagittal plane.

Have your read the works of Stuart Mcgill?

What is safe for one person is not for another.

Bad technique and lifting too heavy is the culprit.


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
No.

You just don't want to go too heavy.

Try them. They are really easy on your spine. It's the only floor pull I can do now.

People work out too much in the sagittal plane.

Have your read the works of Stuart Mcgill?

What is safe for one person is not for another.

Bad technique and lifting too heavy is the culprit.



You're missing what I'm saying.

The exercises are great.

If you have perfect form, always.

A spine surgeon can tell you just how often "always" isn't.

The squats with weight are just bad in general for the spine, I think common sense regarding anatomy will tell you that, never mind the research into spinal stress fractures.

The exercise you posted above is a complicated high-risk movement.


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Try it light weight.

Then get back to me.

It's amazing how much it spares the spine because you are not in sagittal plane.

Also, if you want to pack on muscle (which I don't), you need to go where there is potential risk.

What do you think are "safe" exercises that are effective for the lower body?.

Mike Boyle did a lot of single leg work for that reason.


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i think the back squat is a dangerous one. been doing bulgarian split squats and step ups. the bss is a freaking leg burner. hard to do.

i do kettlebell deadlifts with lighter weights ~50-60 lbs. barbell deadlifts are quite technical and high risk if not done correctly.

at my age i'm training so my body doesnt fall apart not to get buff.


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Originally Posted by i_shapes
Just for the fvck of it, Bill Pearl at age '86

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My wife has that same shirt.

And he’s loaded up on steroids.

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Turkish get ups and one handed farmer walks.


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Originally Posted by Duffy
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Just for the fvck of it, Bill Pearl at age '86

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And he's a vegetarian soi-boy.



My wife has that same shirt.

And he’s loaded up on steroids.


He was at one time. I know someone who used to workout with him. He used them early on and then abandoned them later. Or so he said. Maybe, maybe not. Even with the roids (assuming he is a vegetarian juicer) at 86 that is still impressive. Genetics matter no doubt. And it's not something I want to emulate, but it does give one pause and consider what is possible if one does not just roll over and give up. Years back I ran into a martial artist in his 70's that could still move well. That's what I want. Screw the looks, I want the movement.

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That guy is 100% without a doubt on the juice.

And he’s had work done on his face.

That being said, just the fact that he’s alive at 86 is impressive.


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Robert Oberst seems like a chill dude. Joe always looks like kind of a big, gnarly dude compared to his guests which he pretty much is but when the camera would cut between him and Oberst he looked tiny in comparison.

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I body surfed today and now I am sore in strange places and I don't know why


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I stopped DLing off the floor with a straight bar

I only DL with a straight bar now in a rack off of safeties set just below knee level

This greatly reduces risk of rounding the back

I will DL off the floor with a trap bar because you can maintain a more upright position through the motion

Squats are fine but you can’t be stupid with the weight and you must be realistic about the level of flexibility you have. Don’t go any lower down than you can maintain proper form. Set the safeties so you will be prevented from going too low

I also do good mornings regularly but again you must have total control and be realistic about your flexibility

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I body surfed today and now I am sore in strange places and I don't know why


If I ever wake up in the morning and my body doesn’t hurt it means I died in my sleep.


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athlean x guys says squats have a high risk to reward ratio. he says dl's n bulgarian split squats all u need 4 legz


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Split squats are a different exercise

They have risks too

Can be greater stress on knee

You don’t have to do squats but split squats aren’t really a replacement

Maybe leg press even though there is a bro stigma about using machines

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Trap bar DLing can really be a pretty safe foundation exercise

The motion is like a safer version of both the squat and the straight bar DL

Trap bar is a great investment for a home gym setup

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dumb q....can you do carries with a trap bar?


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Originally Posted by afoaf
dumb q....can you do carries with a trap bar?


Totally. They are great for farmers walks

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
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dumb q....can you do carries with a trap bar?


Totally. They are great for farmers walks

Do you ever do unequal weight farmer's walks or always symmetrical?


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
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dumb q....can you do carries with a trap bar?


Totally. They are great for farmers walks

Do you ever do unequal weight farmer's walks or always symmetrical?


I ALWAYS do farmer walks with a heavy dumb or kettle in one hand only.

Farmer walks with even weights on both sides are a fooking waste of time.

It’s one of those “look how much weight I can carry!!!!!” show boat nonsense.

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Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


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Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile

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Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, but how much do you bench bro?


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dumb q....can you do carries with a trap bar?


Totally. They are great for farmers walks

Do you ever do unequal weight farmer's walks or always symmetrical?


I ALWAYS do farmer walks with a heavy dumb or kettle in one hand only.

Farmer walks with even weights on both sides are a fooking waste of time.

It’s one of those “look how much weight I can carry!!!!!” show boat nonsense.


No. I disagree.

When you carry that heavy load with both hands you are sending the message to your nervous system to adapt.

Not that a suit case carry isn't great too.

It's all good.

Most people don't do nothing.


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Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Split squats are a different exercise

They have risks too

Can be greater stress on knee

You don’t have to do squats but split squats aren’t really a replacement

Maybe leg press even though there is a bro stigma about using machines


are u sure? if done properly u will feel the target in the glutes and hamstrings.

box squats are another alternative. i get funny looks from the idiots at the gym when i do them though lol.


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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Split squats are a different exercise

They have risks too

Can be greater stress on knee

You don’t have to do squats but split squats aren’t really a replacement

Maybe leg press even though there is a bro stigma about using machines



leg press puts even more stress on the spine since the pelvis can tilt. horrible exercise

btw i was talking about bulgarian split squats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-uNgKwPLE

even that jacked due in the vid is shaky doing them. freaking hard exercise

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dumb q....can you do carries with a trap bar?


Totally. They are great for farmers walks

Do you ever do unequal weight farmer's walks or always symmetrical?


Never tried unequal weight

I do suitcase carries once in a while with one hand though

This makes me realize I’ve been slacking on carries in general

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Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, bodybuilding training is different from training for pure strength

I’m doing a bodybuilding cycle now (Vince Gironda 8x8) and you only lift less than 50% of your max

It’s still tough though, just not focused on pure strength

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Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


My dad used to say, “Don’t f with a 50 year old.”

Not sure how old you are

When my dad said it to me, he was 50.

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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, but how much do you bench bro?


I sometimes sit on a bench.


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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, bodybuilding training is different from training for pure strength

I’m doing a bodybuilding cycle now (Vince Gironda 8x8) and you only lift less than 50% of your max

It’s still tough though, just not focused on pure strength


I don’t “train” for strength.


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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
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Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


My dad used to say, “Don’t f with a 50 year old.”

Not sure how old you are

When my dad said it to me, he was 50.


Well in my case it be “don’t fook with an almost 49 year old.”

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Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.


That's because guys with big showy muscles are bodybuilders, who mainly do high rep isolation movements with lower weights. That is what builds large muscles in places that are of minimal practical application, such as biceps and traps. The lower weight also keeps them on the weaker side, especially when it comes to having to use explosive strength.

Deadlifts, squats and other olympic lifts build more elongated, well-distributed muscle that is proportional in size to how we have evolved to be. The contribution of smaller muscles is more or less proportional to the contribution of the larger muscles. Whereas bodybuilders focus on the smaller muscles, and end of up looking dumb and out of proportion.

Most gyms I go to, the guys (and girls) heavy olympic lifts are often the leanest and don't look like lifters. While the bodybuilders look goofy and focus on shrugs and calf raises.

Serious strongmen and powerlifters are another animal. Those guys need to put on extra weight in order to gain the extra muscle required to deadlift stupid amounts of weight. Which often comes with additional fat tissue, which even then is used as a leverage advantage.


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Originally Posted by Duffy

Farmer walks with even weights on both sides are a fooking waste of time.

It’s one of those “look how much weight I can carry!!!!!” show boat nonsense.

Really?! Seems like it makes a lot of sense. The weight distributed equally on both sides is far safer than a single side. Seems that it would burn our forearms and upper back muscles fairly well. Single or double side, it's probably one of the most applicable from a human evolutionary perspective, i.e. using branches to stabilize a large dead animal while carrying for long distances with a group of people.

Lije Rogan, you seem to know your stuff when it comes to MA and other forms of exercise, but your knowledge of weightlifting is fairly remedial. This is going off this thread and others.


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Where’s Coat Hanger when we need him?

I had bad lower back and sciatic pain until I started squatting and deadlifting. I haven’t deadlifted in a while, but still squat 3x/week. I don’t really have any crazy strength goals, other than maintaining a minimum level of strength and trying to be able to squat 1.5x my body weight. I read that in some article and it stuck with me, also cause it seems like a reasonable goal.

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I think when you are old, you just maintain. 1.5 body weight is good.

You could even do it once or twice a week.


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I feel like chasing a number or a % of body weight in a particular lift is what leads to injury

Everyone plateaus

Especially if you don’t want to gain weight, which I don’t

I want to stay light weight which is better for surfing and fitting in normal clothes

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FREALZ lol.

I think you also have to look at his comments in the context of his career. Specifically to football, I don't see deadlifting being very applicable in comparison to other olympic lifts.

In terms of ROI and injury risk, you also have to realize that he is talking about deadlifting stupid amounts of weight. You have literally zero room for error as you get upwards of that kind of weight. Plus the long term risks.

I think most people can work up to at least a 3 plate deadlift and see great results. It's when you are pushing 4-5+ plates where your risk of injury goes way up.


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FREALZ lol.

I think you also have to look at his comments in the context of his career. Specifically to football, I don't see deadlifting being very applicable in comparison to other olympic lifts.

In terms of ROI and injury risk, you also have to realize that he is talking about deadlifting stupid amounts of weight. You have literally zero room for error as you get upwards of that kind of weight. Plus the long term risks.

I think most people can work up to at least a 3 plate deadlift and see great results. It's when you are pushing 4-5+ plates where your risk of injury goes way up.


I f’d up my back DLing 300ish earlier this year- couldn’t move for 2 days

I do think technique, flexibility and individual anatomy become super important as you move upward to higher weights

Also what is a high weight for one person will differ vs another

I had in my mind that I should be able to DL 2x bodyweight (I weigh about 165)

I’m fortunate that I didn’t have a major injury

Now I would rather err on the side of caution

Nobody really cares what # I deadlift

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I want to learn how to jump out of a swimming pool like football players do

What exercises do I need to do for that?


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Originally Posted by Duffy
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Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, but how much do you bench bro?


I sometimes sit on a bench.



A friend of mine in the general fitness biz told me he recommends people do modest "bench press" moves and weights on the floor. Says this limits the injury aspect from doing too much weight with too great a range of motion.

True? False? Sensible? Maybe suitable for beginners/older folks?

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Originally Posted by Mr Doof
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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, but how much do you bench bro?


I sometimes sit on a bench.



A friend of mine in the general fitness biz told me he recommends people do modest "bench press" moves and weights on the floor. Says this limits the injury aspect from doing too much weight with too great a range of motion.

True? False? Sensible? Maybe suitable for beginners/older folks?


Bench press can be a shoulder f’er for some people

Sounds like he is talking about a floor press, where you lay on the... floor

This limits the range of motion and in theory reduces risk of shoulder injury

The bench press is a relatively recent invention in weight lifting history

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Originally Posted by Mr Doof
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Originally Posted by Duffy
Funny observation that I’ve had for awhile.

Guys with big, gym fit showy muscles aren’t really that strong most of the time.

It’s weird at first but some jacked dude will grab ahold of me and I immediately come to the conclusion that they are fooking weak.

Then I procede to toss them around like a little girl and smash them into giving up. It’s especially sweet when they are 20 years younger than me.

smile


Yeah, but how much do you bench bro?


I sometimes sit on a bench.



A friend of mine in the general fitness biz told me he recommends people do modest "bench press" moves and weights on the floor. Says this limits the injury aspect from doing too much weight with too great a range of motion.

True? False? Sensible? Maybe suitable for beginners/older folks?



I wouldn’t know. I don’t do bench presses and no interest in them.

I do push-ups. Does that count?


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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
I feel like chasing a number or a % of body weight in a particular lift is what leads to injury

Everyone plateaus

Especially if you don’t want to gain weight, which I don’t

I want to stay light weight which is better for surfing and fitting in normal clothes


Definitely agree. I’ve been pretty conservative with my lifting to avoid injury, doesn’t mean there haven’t been some days where I’ve lifted too recklessly to appease my ego and paid for it the next few days to a week. I could likely hit 1.5x bodyweight with one rep but I don’t do all out one rep max because that seems like it would substantially increase my risk for injury. Been slowly working my way up in weight over the past couple years with what I can safely do for ~5 reps.

And agreed re: weight gain. I definitely don’t eat enough to bulk up or rapidly increase my strength, nor do I really want to get that big.

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Originally Posted by grapedrink
Originally Posted by Duffy

Farmer walks with even weights on both sides are a fooking waste of time.

It’s one of those “look how much weight I can carry!!!!!” show boat nonsense.

Really?! Seems like it makes a lot of sense. The weight distributed equally on both sides is far safer than a single side. Seems that it would burn our forearms and upper back muscles fairly well. Single or double side, it's probably one of the most applicable from a human evolutionary perspective, i.e. using branches to stabilize a large dead animal while carrying for long distances with a group of people.

Lije Rogan, you seem to know your stuff when it comes to MA and other forms of exercise, but your knowledge of weightlifting is fairly remedial. This is going off this thread and others.


That’s because I generally don’t lift weights. I do Turkish get-ups and suit case carries, plus body weight stuff.

My work requires some feats of strength as well.

I really only do things that are awkward when I’m exercising for the sake of exercising.


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