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I don't watch any UFC stuff anymore,

Who had the best pre-fight trash talk?

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When really pissing off your opponent goes wrong, come to think of it didn't work too well for Conner either.

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oof that sound when he connects, yikes

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Originally Posted by MaxKookage
I don't watch any UFC stuff anymore,

Who had the best pre-fight trash talk?


Askren’s trash talk was next level.

Unfortunately for him Masvidal fights better when he’s angry.


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It looked like hit his right trap and not his head?

I'm sure that could stun.


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
It looked like hit his right trap and not his head?

I'm sure that could stun.


Hit him square on the temple.


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What trash was askren talking?

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Part of it goes back to the Robbie Lawler fight. When Ben came on with the UFC he talked mad smack about almost everybody in his weight division on twitter and in interviews. After winning a disputed decision over Lawler he said he wouldn't give him a rematch which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I was stoked to see him get hammered live. Although I was a little concerned re the stiff legged posturing.


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Well, for one he kept referring to him as “George”.

Most of it was subtle.

Are you familiar with John Cleese’s “How to Irritate People”?

It was kind of like that.


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I'm in the Masvidal camp: I didn't think Askren's trash talk was that good. Pretty standard.

I think Rockhold is way more done. Just look at that glass jaw and he's knocked out.


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Rockhold always struck me as a little cocky. Which is good if you can back it up I guess. All in all I was glad I bought the fights last night. Better UFC than I have seen in awhile.


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Originally Posted by i_shapes
Rockhold always struck me as a little cocky. Which is good if you can back it up I guess. All in all I was glad I bought the fights last night. Better UFC than I have seen in awhile.


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Yup. Sounds like he's done.

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From someone with zero MA experience or interest in learning
it, that looked like a split second lucky shot for the winner as the loser
put his head down. Agreed BA talked lots of shit and got his,
but that wasn’t a fight, it appeared to be a lucky shot. I don’t care one
way or the other, just an observation from an outsider.


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Originally Posted by Oceanslide
From someone with zero MA experience or interest in learning
it, that looked like a split second lucky shot for the winner as the loser
put his head down. Agreed BA talked lots of shit and got his,
but that wasn’t a fight, it appeared to be a lucky shot. I don’t care one
way or the other, just an observation from an outsider.


In some ways you’re right (lucky shot) but mostly not.

Ben was going to shoot for a take down. That’s what he does, takes guys down and grapple rapes them until they’re completely exhausted, then (maybe) submits them.

He “put his head down” to shoot for a double leg. It was a shitty shot. In mma you don’t just shoot. You have to set that shit up with punches to the head and or high kick, at the very least.

Jorge knew he’d shoot on him and he’d been practicing that exact flying knee in training.

He said after the fight that there were 3 possible outcomes to the opening knee shot.

1. Knockout

2. A good connection but Ben absorbs it and he’s more hesitant to shoot for the rest of the fight.

3. Misses, gets in a scramble and gets back to his feet.

The only “lucky” part was that it connected so squarely.

I would have liked to see more of fight.

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Originally Posted by Oceanslide
From someone with zero MA experience or interest in learning
it, that looked like a split second lucky shot for the winner as the loser
put his head down


While I have limited MA experience, I think that was 100% intentional and with a high level of confidence that it would succeed. IMO Masvidal probably knows that BA is much more of a grappler than a striker, so he figured that BA would approach like a grappler. Which is why he went for the flying knee, because BA would not be expecting that.


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No. Sorry oslide, but that was sloppy on askrens part. Masvidal talked about that’s all he does is shoot. If askren respected his opponent a bit more the fight probably would have gone for a while.

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In some ways it was kind of predictable for Jorge. Ben does one thing. He wanted the immediate take-down and he ducked right into it as he shot. Little bit of a gamble on Jorge's part, if he'd have missed that he would have probably been on the ground which is where Ben wanted it. I don't know if deducing your opponents likely first move and committing to a counter is luck. Although I don't know if you can call it a counter since he initiated? I guess his initiation was a counter to Ben's expected course of action. Whatever. I wasn't expecting it. I figured Jorge would stay outside and snipe at his legs for awhile as he avoided the take-down. The fully confident commitment to that first technique was bad ass. No fear.

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A 360° clip was up earlier before ESPN took it down that showed perfectly Askren going in for the wrestling shot.


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Ben Askren got humbled and brutally knocked out (fastest KO in UFC history at 5 seconds) in his first loss by a perfectly timed flying knee while shooting for takedown by Jorge Masvidal who is a beast. Kind of a fluke (smart but risky move by Masvidal that worked like a charm)...would like to see a rematch. Hopefully Ben learned something for next time by not just blindly shooting in immediately with head down like that again, but doing it at the right time. If he got Jorge Masvidal down to the ground...it would've been a much different (more boring) fight with Ben's Olympic level wrestling skills. Even if he didn't fight anymore, I could see him being a great commentator similar to Chael Sonnen. However, he will be back for more fights to come...not going to go out with his first ever KO loss like that.

Luke Rockhold on the other hand kind of overlooked Jan "Polish Power" Blachowicz and got caught with that left hook after the break that broke his jaw (2nd time now) and KO'd him. He is on the downslide for sure...glass chin doesn't help.

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Did I miss something or was that Santos Jones fight incredibly lame?


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Originally Posted by freeride76
Did I miss something or was that Santos Jones fight incredibly lame?


Only read about that one, but Jones was very conservative since Santos is a beast and Jones has an 8 inch reach on him which he really used to his advantage to eek out that one by split decision.

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Luke Rockhold on the other hand kind of overlooked Jan "Polish Power" Blachowicz and got caught with that left hook after the break that broke his jaw (2nd time now) and KO'd him. He is on the downslide for sure...glass chin doesn't help.


Interesting little observation here...

Rockhard tried “Jon Jones” The Pollock’s left arm (see Jones vs. Glover Teixeira for the over-hook-rip-the-shoulder-out-of-socket technique) and the The Pollock touched him with a short right to Rockhard’s nose which made him close his eyes for a second. The left arm got free in that moment and hit flush to the jaw. Rockhard never even saw it coming.

Holly Testosterholm tried to “Jon Jones” aMANda PoonLez by using those oblique kicks to the knees, PoonLez slipped the kick which leaves Testosterholm on one foot with hands down. Boom, head shot...

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Originally Posted by freeride76
Did I miss something or was that Santos Jones fight incredibly lame?


Yeah. Jones got a taste on that first leg kick and quickly realized that he could get knocked out at will.

So he stayed on the outside. I thought he should have taken Santos down and hellbowed his face into pulp.

He got a gift with that decision.


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Did I miss something or was that Santos Jones fight incredibly lame?


Yeah. Jones got a taste on that first leg kick and quickly realized that he could get knocked out at will.

So he stayed on the outside. I thought he should have taken Santos down and hellbowed his face into pulp.

He got a gift with that decision.

The UFC is pushing his brand HARD so its not a surprise.


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Did I miss something or was that Santos Jones fight incredibly lame?


Yeah. Jones got a taste on that first leg kick and quickly realized that he could get knocked out at will.

So he stayed on the outside. I thought he should have taken Santos down and hellbowed his face into pulp.

He got a gift with that decision.

The UFC is pushing his brand HARD so its not a surprise.


He sells PPVs. His are usually really good. Santos as champ would be less $$$ to Zuffa and he wouldn’t last very long at that top anyway.

Is that fair? No.

Such is life.


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The next morning Ben was asked how he was feeling and he said he was feeling great and looking forward to his fight with Jorge Masvidal at UFC 239.


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That was one of laziest shots ever, just begging for the knee.

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Originally Posted by mundus
That was one of laziest shots ever, just begging for the knee.

There's a bunch of videos of Masvidal practicing that very move


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Yep, bad fight IQ by Ben.

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Originally Posted by mundus
Yep, bad fight IQ by Ben.
To quote Ben, "It's worked for me 19 other times."


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Originally Posted by Oceanslide
From someone with zero MA experience or interest in learning
it, that looked like a split second lucky shot for the winner as the loser
put his head down. Agreed BA talked lots of shit and got his,
but that wasn’t a fight, it appeared to be a lucky shot. I don’t care one
way or the other, just an observation from an outsider.


it wasnt a lucky shot. he trained for it. just like with grappling people don't see all the setup for the submission, just the submission where the other guy just got caught. striking has similar technical merit.


that being said, yves edwards said that masvidal has like d1 wrestling skill and was prepared if it went to the ground. he's one of the saviest fighters out there


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by mundus
That was one of laziest shots ever, just begging for the knee.

There's a bunch of videos of Masvidal practicing that very move


yup.

people didn't see the last second switch knee also. that's technique and he clwearly trainedf for it


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That was one of laziest shots ever, just begging for the knee.

There's a bunch of videos of Masvidal practicing that very move


yup.

people didn't see the last second switch knee also. that's technique and he clwearly trainedf for it


No, he intended to hit him with the right knee from the get go.

That’s how the flying knee is done. Left knee comes up first followed by the striking knee.

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Originally Posted by Duffy
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That was one of laziest shots ever, just begging for the knee.

There's a bunch of videos of Masvidal practicing that very move


yup.

people didn't see the last second switch knee also. that's technique and he clwearly trainedf for it


No, he intended to hit him with the right knee from the get go.

That’s how the flying knee is done. Left knee comes up first followed by the striking knee.


not all flying knees have the switch.

here's one without a switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqYUyJQxLY

the switch works well against dumb wrestlers like askren who will predictibaly go for the first knee thrown and now see the second one coming.


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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
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That was one of laziest shots ever, just begging for the knee.

There's a bunch of videos of Masvidal practicing that very move


yup.

people didn't see the last second switch knee also. that's technique and he clwearly trainedf for it


No, he intended to hit him with the right knee from the get go.

That’s how the flying knee is done. Left knee comes up first followed by the striking knee.


not all flying knees have the switch.

here's one without a switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqYUyJQxLY

the switch works well against dumb wrestlers like askren who will predictibaly go for the first knee thrown and now see the second one coming.


Yoel was in close. Not enough room for the “switch”. Either way that’s how Yoel does it....

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Askren gave a pretty respectable and entertaining post fight thingy. Mostly no dull spots in 27 minutes


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Askren gave a pretty respectable and entertaining post fight thingy. Mostly no dull spots in 27 minutes

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Is there is there a good defense for that flying knee kick?

I would think avoiding it would be good.

It seems like BA did the exact wrong thing.

It was a tactical error.


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Is there is there a good defense for that flying knee kick?

I would think avoiding it would be good.

It seems like BA did the exact wrong thing.

It was a tactical error.


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You know, I banged my knee the other day cleaning up the garage from the construction project ending. Hopped around and held my knee and tried not to wimper too much...it was like I caught the edge of the kneecap and the femur head just perfectly to induce the most pain possible while you try not to just sit on the floor massaging it and keeping tears at bay. Kinda like just striking the funny bone on a butcher's block at your friend's fancy remodeled kitchen while holding the Manhattan....you don't want to spill the drink, you don't want shout out 'Motherfu*ker, that hurts!" while your friend laughs, but you want to acknowledge that it is more than just a tingle in the elbow.

So yeah, I see these flying knee strikes to the head, a pretty hard mass of bones known to break fingers and wrists, and I think, "Man, that was a great move, but doesn't it hurt the knee?"

Oh, the S. Segal gif is great. Shows a great simple move and sort of negates itself at the same time because of, well, Segal.

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No. It doesn’t hurt the knee (that much). You’re really actually connecting with the bottom of the femur, above the knee.

As for Segal and aikido in general...it’s a bunch of useless (for fighting) bullshit...



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Although, that video is mislabeled. The bald guy isn’t really doing BJJ.


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Is there is there a good defense for that flying knee kick?

I would think avoiding it would be good.

It seems like BA did the exact wrong thing.

It was a tactical error.




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I wonder if part of the success of that move is that it's a surprise?


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Originally Posted by Duffy
Although, that video is mislabeled. The bald guy isn’t really doing BJJ.


Yeah, it looks more like, Akido vs MMA?

The Akido guy looks like he could be beaten by a lot of systems.

A good street fighter just needs to punch him in face.


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Aikido people are delusional. It’s kind of sad.


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The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.

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Originally Posted by Moby_Dick
The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.

As far as weapons, bjj is good for one on one no weapon fighting. That’s about it.


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Originally Posted by Duffy
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The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.

As far as weapons, bjj is good for one on one no weapon fighting. That’s about it.

What do think of straight Judo for self defense? Those throws could devastating on cement/hard ground.

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Judo possibly better against an unskilled opponent. A good throw down will take the fight out of anyone. If they have good ground control they can dominate even good BJJ guys IF they get the pin, thats gold in a street fight, you don't want to be playing guard on hard ground.

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best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


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Originally Posted by rts265
Judo possibly better against an unskilled opponent. A good throw down will take the fight out of anyone. If they have good ground control they can dominate even good BJJ guys IF they get the pin, thats gold in a street fight, you don't want to be playing guard on hard ground.



Yes, the quickest way to end a fight is to hit somebody in the head with a planet. Judo throws are amazing for ending a fight quickly.

That said, people are delusional thinking that any time a fight breaks out the BJJ fighter is going to pull guard. There is a lot of BJJ fighting that can be done while on the feets.

But as for street fights, Havoc had it right. Run if you can.


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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


Exactly.

Something that you know you're going to land and know is going to hurt, like a hard leg kick


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Originally Posted by Duffy
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The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.



Of course. That's why I used the term "duck."

The trick being getting them out the door as quickly and as quietly as possible without hurting them.

Employers like that.

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I stopped training in 2015. the judo finally 'clicked' for me in that last few years, where I was just throwing people effortlessly and ruthlessly, it was a beautiful thing. A good wrestler can shut that down easy though.

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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


Exactly.

Something that you know you're going to land and know is going to hurt, like a hard leg kick
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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run



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Originally Posted by rts265
Judo possibly better against an unskilled opponent. A good throw down will take the fight out of anyone. If they have good ground control they can dominate even good BJJ guys IF they get the pin, thats gold in a street fight, you don't want to be playing guard on hard ground.


Pull guard? Lol.

We have a few judokas that train with us. Black belts. If they don’t have grips (no gi) they’re a bit lost.

A good combo to have is BJJ, wrestling and Muay Thai (and/or boxing).

I’m lucky to go to a place that has all of that and one of my instructors is a judo blackbelt (he’s good at modifying judo throws without grips).

It’s fun stuff. Mostly I’ve become acutely aware of how much I don’t know.


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


Exactly.

Something that you know you're going to land and know is going to hurt, like a hard leg kick


People pumped on adrenaline can eat a leg kick. Also, usually people get up in your face (according to my research on worldstarhiphop.com) to try to intimidate you.

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The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.

As far as weapons, bjj is good for one on one no weapon fighting. That’s about it.

What do think of straight Judo for self defense? Those throws could devastating on cement/hard ground.


Judo is good but you don’t need to practice judo to learn throws.


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Originally Posted by 1whoknows
I don’t have a go to move. I haven’t been in a physical alteration since 7th grade. My father lived 80+ years without ever getting in a fight.


I get in fights every Wednesday morning at 8:30


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You’re so predictable. I said a judoka vs an unskilled opponent. A high amplitude throw will end the fight vs a bitch ass double leg they teach in BJJ. Then you got to choke pound etc if that’s the case

I also said a judoka with good ground control can dominate in a fight. Have you ever been pinned by a high level heavy judoka? It’s sucks.

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I don’t have a go to move. I haven’t been in a physical alteration since 7th grade. My father lived 80+ years without ever getting in a fight.

I fight every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday. Hard on Thursday


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you could have simply said, "ifightalot" fight

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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run



My go to move is awareness. After that it’s de-escalating. If that doesn’t work I leave the scene.


yup. exactly. i'd only fight if i was cornered with no way out. if i can walk or run away i will. live to surge another day broz


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
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I don’t have a go to move. I haven’t been in a physical alteration since 7th grade. My father lived 80+ years without ever getting in a fight.

I fight every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday. Hard on Thursday


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I don’t have a go to move. I haven’t been in a physical alteration since 7th grade. My father lived 80+ years without ever getting in a fight.

I fight every Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday. Hard on Thursday


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Originally Posted by rts265
You’re so predictable. I said a judoka vs an unskilled opponent. A high amplitude throw will end the fight vs a bitch ass double leg they teach in BJJ. Then you got to choke pound etc if that’s the case

I also said a judoka with good ground control can dominate in a fight. Have you ever been pinned by a high level heavy judoka? It’s sucks.


Trained beats untrained. Whoopi.

I’d never use a double leg in a street fight. The wrestling skill isn’t about taking people down as much as to prevent from being taken down.

I don’t know about where you train BJJ but we train all kinds of throws. One of the instructors there is a Judo blackbelt. We train throws in the gi and throws adapted to no gi.

Yes, I train with high level judokas all the time. Some are better than others on the ground. Most pure judokas get choked.

And again, pure judokas never train without a gi and the majority of judo throws are heavily dependent on grips. When training no gi with judokas I’ve noticed that their throws are largely negated.

Maybe you’re under the impression that I only train butt scooting sport BJJ and nothing else. That isn’t the case.

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I am 46. I train at boxing gyms for one reason and one reason only - to not be fat. I have always assumed that if I was to get in to a "street fight," I am going to get my ass kicked or get killed. This assumption, along with smiling a lot, not being a hot head, and treating people with respect, seems to work for me. I have also reached the conclusion that people who actually train aren't the ones you need to worry about anyway.

Google how many people have concealed carry permits in your county, and the total number of handgun permits. Then there are the off duty cops who are packing and have a lot more leeway to fvck you up. Makes you think twice about walking around all puff chest. My cop brother in law swears that there is about 2% of population who just don't give a fvck. You don't want to meet them.

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My cop brother in law swears that there is about 2% of population who just don't give a fvck. You don't want to meet them.


My ex-cop brother-in-law in Texas would probably say you are undercounting it or not taking into effect beer.

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My cop brother in law swears that there is about 2% of population who just don't give a fvck. You don't want to meet them.


My ex-cop brother-in-law in Texas would probably say you are undercounting it or not taking into effect beer.


Yep. The most dangerous guy out there is a pissed off 16 year-old gangbanger with .38 stuffed in his belt and nothing to lose. He doesn't give two sh!ts about your ground game.


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Duffy, I'm just curious how long have you been training & what belt you are? I'm not fishing, just looking for some perspective. Thanks in advance.


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Originally Posted by youcantbeserious
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My cop brother in law swears that there is about 2% of population who just don't give a fvck. You don't want to meet them.


My ex-cop brother-in-law in Texas would probably say you are undercounting it or not taking into effect beer.


Yep. The most dangerous guy out there is a pissed off 16 year-old gangbanger with .38 stuffed in his belt and nothing to lose. He doesn't give two sh!ts about your ground game.


Can’t grab his gun if you pull spider guard first.

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Really good points.

Nothing groundbreaking but being nice, situational awareness, having no visible ego, and location has kept me out of any real poundings. Slaps and false cracks were all taken and swallowed when they had to be. Knowing when to leave a party was helpful. It easy to get into fights, harder to work your way out of one.


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Originally Posted by tacos


Can’t grab his gun if you pull spider guard first.


I have an immense amount of respect for BJJ practitioners, but it takes a special kind of delusion to believe you can prevail in a gunfight when you have no gun. By all means train, but don't drink the Kool-Aid.


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Originally Posted by surfinmofo
Duffy, I'm just curious how long have you been training & what belt you are? I'm not fishing, just looking for some perspective. Thanks in advance.


8 years. Brown belt.

I also do wrestling and kickboxing.

Trained a TMA for about another 10 years.


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Originally Posted by youcantbeserious
Originally Posted by tacos


Can’t grab his gun if you pull spider guard first.


I have an immense amount of respect for BJJ practitioners, but it takes a special kind of delusion to believe you can prevail in a gunfight when you have no gun. By all means train, but don't drink the Kool-Aid.


I don’t know anyone who trains BJJ that believes that. jiu jitsu is effective in one on one, no weapons situations. And that depends on how you train.

If you just train to win competitions you’ll be harder beat up than an untrained person but anyone with some striking skills and rudimentary submission defense will be a problem.


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I love it.. training for 8 years and think you're invincible. a bigger reason I quit is not because of my neck, but the instagram and shaka culture that started, well with facebook and instagram.

I started traneing in 1995

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Don't discount people's size and strength either. Once watched a fight breakout where one of the guys was a large muscular individual. He was around 6'3 and 230 lbs of pure muscle. He looked like a NFL linebacker. Anyways, a brown belt in BJJ who was about 160 lbs got into it with him and decided to punch this dude thinking his "training" was more than enough to make up the size difference. Big dude proceeded to pummel the small guy after getting attacked. Submissions are a lot harder when the guy has almost 80 lbs on you.

Fighting is dumb. One wrong punch or fall and you could screw up your life forever. Not worth it. I see guys get into arguments/fights over waves and I just can't understand it. You're willing to risk jail and injury over a wave? lol. Not going to be surfing much when someone sues you for everything you own or you end up in prison. That's the world we live in today.

Me? I just walk away.

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Originally Posted by Muscles
Don't discount people's size and strength either. Once watched a fight breakout where one of the guys was a large muscular individual. He was around 6'3 and 230 lbs of pure muscle. He looked like a NFL linebacker. Anyways, a brown belt in BJJ who was about 160 lbs got into it with him and decided to punch this dude thinking his "training" was more than enough to make up the size difference. Big dude proceeded to pummel the small guy after getting attacked. Submissions are a lot harder when the guy has almost 80 lbs on you.

Fighting is dumb. One wrong punch or fall and you could screw up your life forever. Not worth it. I see guys get into arguments/fights over waves and I just can't understand it. You're willing to risk jail and injury over a wave? lol. Not going to be surfing much when someone sues you for everything you own or you end up in prison. That's the world we live in today.

Me? I just walk away.


thank you! I don't think Duffy is condoning fighting or looking for fights btw.

anyway, some guy wanted to fight at the beach in the past year or so, I told him I'm here to surf not to fight.

Man, that pissed him off!!! He was getting in my face saying "you're some kind of tough guy?" It was great.

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kelly is sponsored by purps? rad for him...


kelly own purps.

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kelly is sponsored by purps? rad for him...


kelly own purps.


yeah...lol

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Originally Posted by rts265
I love it.. training for 8 years and think you're invincible. a bigger reason I quit is not because of my neck, but the instagram and shaka culture that started, well with facebook and instagram.

I started traneing in 1995


I don’t think I’m invincible. Quite the opposite. I’m acutely aware of how vulnerable I am.

I’m not really sure what your problem is. Maybe you’re seeing something in my posts that isn’t there.

Can you post a quote where I even suggested that I’m even remotely close to “invincible”?

I don’t post training photos on instagram but people who do don’t bother me.

I’m glad you quit. Sorry about your neck. Mine’s pretty fucked up too. Had some paralysis on my right side that took a couple years to rehab. Kept training though. IG bros don’t bother me.

Does everyone who is as hardcore as you quit? Must be hard to be a better man than everyone around you. I just can’t relate.

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Originally Posted by Muscles
Don't discount people's size and strength either. Once watched a fight breakout where one of the guys was a large muscular individual. He was around 6'3 and 230 lbs of pure muscle. He looked like a NFL linebacker. Anyways, a brown belt in BJJ who was about 160 lbs got into it with him and decided to punch this dude thinking his "training" was more than enough to make up the size difference. Big dude proceeded to pummel the small guy after getting attacked. Submissions are a lot harder when the guy has almost 80 lbs on you.

Fighting is dumb. One wrong punch or fall and you could screw up your life forever. Not worth it. I see guys get into arguments/fights over waves and I just can't understand it. You're willing to risk jail and injury over a wave? lol. Not going to be surfing much when someone sues you for everything you own or you end up in prison. That's the world we live in today.

Me? I just walk away.


Size and strength matters a lot. Have I said otherwise?

Me? I just walk away. Have I said otherwise?


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Originally Posted by rts265
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Don't discount people's size and strength either. Once watched a fight breakout where one of the guys was a large muscular individual. He was around 6'3 and 230 lbs of pure muscle. He looked like a NFL linebacker. Anyways, a brown belt in BJJ who was about 160 lbs got into it with him and decided to punch this dude thinking his "training" was more than enough to make up the size difference. Big dude proceeded to pummel the small guy after getting attacked. Submissions are a lot harder when the guy has almost 80 lbs on you.

Fighting is dumb. One wrong punch or fall and you could screw up your life forever. Not worth it. I see guys get into arguments/fights over waves and I just can't understand it. You're willing to risk jail and injury over a wave? lol. Not going to be surfing much when someone sues you for everything you own or you end up in prison. That's the world we live in today.

Me? I just walk away.


thank you! I don't think Duffy is condoning fighting or looking for fights btw.

anyway, some guy wanted to fight at the beach in the past year or so, I told him I'm here to surf not to fight.

Man, that pissed him off!!! He was getting in my face saying "you're some kind of tough guy?" It was great.


There are an amazing number of posts in this thread arguing with me about shit I’ve never said.


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Must be hard to be a better man than everyone around you. I just can’t relate.


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Must be hard to be a better man than everyone around you. I just can’t relate.


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Originally Posted by Duffy


Size and strength matters a lot. Have I said otherwise?

Me? I just walk away. Have I said otherwise?

I wasn't directing anything at you specifically.

I was just pointing out that fighting is dumb and fighting bigger people because you "train" is also dumb.

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Originally Posted by Muscles
Originally Posted by Duffy


Size and strength matters a lot. Have I said otherwise?

Me? I just walk away. Have I said otherwise?

I wasn't directing anything at you specifically.

I was just pointing out that fighting is dumb and fighting bigger people because you "train" is also dumb.


People that train generally don’t get into fights so I’m not at all sure just who exactly you are talking about.


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this is some heavy duty internet sparring

you guys should take a break before someone pulls a finger muscle

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Originally Posted by obslop
this is some heavy duty internet sparring

you guys should take a break before someone pulls a finger muscle


I had to tape my fingers after this thread. :-(

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I was checking how many likes I got on IG after posting a selfie posing in my new Shoyoroll.

What did I miss?


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Originally Posted by Duffy


People that train generally don’t get into fights so I’m not at all sure just who exactly you are talking about.

Except in Hawaii.

Practically every overly aggressive asshole I know "trains"

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Originally Posted by Muscles
Originally Posted by Duffy


People that train generally don’t get into fights so I’m not at all sure just who exactly you are talking about.

Except in Hawaii.

Practically every overly aggressive asshole I know "trains"


Yeah, that's true


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Originally Posted by Muscles
Originally Posted by Duffy


People that train generally don’t get into fights so I’m not at all sure just who exactly you are talking about.

Except in Hawaii.

Practically every overly aggressive asshole I know "trains"


We have a some dudes from the north shore and Kauai visit and train with us fairly regularly. All of them are good people.

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Originally Posted by Duffy
Originally Posted by Muscles
Originally Posted by Duffy


People that train generally don’t get into fights so I’m not at all sure just who exactly you are talking about.

Except in Hawaii.

Practically every overly aggressive asshole I know "trains"


We have a some dudes from the north shore and Kauai visit and train with us fairly regularly. All of them are good people.


Guys from out here are all cool, it's the town guys coming out of less reputable establishments.


I've been banned from better websites than this one.
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