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Re: Ben Askren...done. [Re: Duffy] #2980334
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Originally Posted by Duffy
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The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.

As far as weapons, bjj is good for one on one no weapon fighting. That’s about it.

What do think of straight Judo for self defense? Those throws could devastating on cement/hard ground.

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Judo possibly better against an unskilled opponent. A good throw down will take the fight out of anyone. If they have good ground control they can dominate even good BJJ guys IF they get the pin, thats gold in a street fight, you don't want to be playing guard on hard ground.

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best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


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Originally Posted by rts265
Judo possibly better against an unskilled opponent. A good throw down will take the fight out of anyone. If they have good ground control they can dominate even good BJJ guys IF they get the pin, thats gold in a street fight, you don't want to be playing guard on hard ground.



Yes, the quickest way to end a fight is to hit somebody in the head with a planet. Judo throws are amazing for ending a fight quickly.

That said, people are delusional thinking that any time a fight breaks out the BJJ fighter is going to pull guard. There is a lot of BJJ fighting that can be done while on the feets.

But as for street fights, Havoc had it right. Run if you can.


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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


Exactly.

Something that you know you're going to land and know is going to hurt, like a hard leg kick


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Originally Posted by Duffy
Originally Posted by Moby_Dick
The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.



Of course. That's why I used the term "duck."

The trick being getting them out the door as quickly and as quietly as possible without hurting them.

Employers like that.

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I stopped training in 2015. the judo finally 'clicked' for me in that last few years, where I was just throwing people effortlessly and ruthlessly, it was a beautiful thing. A good wrestler can shut that down easy though.

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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


Exactly.

Something that you know you're going to land and know is going to hurt, like a hard leg kick
or a hard arm kick


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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run



My go to move is awareness. After that it’s de-escalating. If that doesn’t work I leave the scene.


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Originally Posted by rts265
Judo possibly better against an unskilled opponent. A good throw down will take the fight out of anyone. If they have good ground control they can dominate even good BJJ guys IF they get the pin, thats gold in a street fight, you don't want to be playing guard on hard ground.


Pull guard? Lol.

We have a few judokas that train with us. Black belts. If they don’t have grips (no gi) they’re a bit lost.

A good combo to have is BJJ, wrestling and Muay Thai (and/or boxing).

I’m lucky to go to a place that has all of that and one of my instructors is a judo blackbelt (he’s good at modifying judo throws without grips).

It’s fun stuff. Mostly I’ve become acutely aware of how much I don’t know.


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Havoc4k
best move for a street fight is to run

u don't want to be in a street fight

if u are forced, strike and run


Exactly.

Something that you know you're going to land and know is going to hurt, like a hard leg kick


People pumped on adrenaline can eat a leg kick. Also, usually people get up in your face (according to my research on worldstarhiphop.com) to try to intimidate you.

Never discount the efficacy of a good head butt.


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I don’t have a go to move. I haven’t been in a physical alteration since 7th grade. My father lived 80+ years without ever getting in a fight.


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Originally Posted by mundus
Originally Posted by Duffy
Originally Posted by Moby_Dick
The best defense for a flying knee is getting out of the fvcking way. Don't be there.

Aikido is not very functional with anyone who isn't a complete duck. However, I worked a bar with a guy once who had had some Aikido training. For getting drunk ducks out the door with no damage, some of the standing arm/wrist/finger locks/cranks were pretty useful. And they fall well. Which is Judo/BJJ day one training. He was useless in a real fight with anyone who was even moderately dangerous. And some of them are good with a jo staff. So beware the stick.


Anyone can handle a drunk.

As far as weapons, bjj is good for one on one no weapon fighting. That’s about it.

What do think of straight Judo for self defense? Those throws could devastating on cement/hard ground.


Judo is good but you don’t need to practice judo to learn throws.


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Originally Posted by 1whoknows
I don’t have a go to move. I haven’t been in a physical alteration since 7th grade. My father lived 80+ years without ever getting in a fight.


I get in fights every Wednesday morning at 8:30


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