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Let's face it.

Even though you guys are surfers. Living the "surf" lifestyle. You deviate. You decide to live in a 50Mil$ mansion besides of a tent.

You can drink beer and watch NASCAR.

Nothing wrong with NASCAR in my opinion. But the pinnacle is F1. Indy Cars are bad ass. The Indy 500 is one of the absolute bests in motor racing.

F1 though is like developing fighter jets that fly on the ground.

The Dutch.

I can't even describe it. A fruition of technology and a spectacle on the Roman level.

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The thing that got to me was how many people were camping at the Austrian GP. A giant, woodstock proportion of tents and campers. With a stage, and bands, and bungee jumping. People just camping out and having a blast. Never seen the like in the USA.

We can do better.

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We all are surfers. We all follow and enjoy the tech that trickles down to us.

We also all drive cars.

The F1 stuff these days is the absolute cutting edge. If these cars did no have downforce they would be airplanes.

A twin turbo, gasoline engine with a hybrid motor.

The rules. The hybrid battery pack gives about a 160HP

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Wish List would be a Porsche 911 GT2 RS, a Panamera Turbo S & a Cayenne Turbo S.

F-1's are bad azz though. In their own league for sure ...


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always preferable to live in a place where you can get around (like, to the beach) without one.


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. "If these cars did no have downforce they would be airplanes. "

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They essentially are, but with the wings inverted.


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F1 so boring.

Best drivers in world, best cars in world, best engineering. But so boring because same top teams wins all the time. Car spring to lead in first lap and stay that way to end of race unless big crash.

$150-400m each year to have F1 team. Stupid.

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A threat response is a potent trigger for motivated reasoning.

"People who are right a lot listen a lot, and they change their mind a lot. . . . . They wake up and reanalyze things and change their mind. If you don't change your mind frequently, you're going to be wrong a lot."
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Originally Posted by Leaverite
We all are surfers. We all follow and enjoy the tech that trickles down to us.

We also all drive cars.

The F1 stuff these days is the absolute cutting edge. If these cars did no have downforce they would be airplanes.

A twin turbo, gasoline engine with a hybrid motor.

The rules. The hybrid battery pack gives about a 160HP

I still watch regularly (recording Austrian GP now) but these cars a f-ing stupid. They pretty much turned it into Formula Prius for political reasons. The expense of developing and building these contraptions means only the major factory teams can do it and the non-factory teams have to rent their engine packages from their competitors. The only outlier (not actually entering an entire car but renting powerplants) is Honda. No Judd, no Cosworth, no Yamaha, no Ilmor etc, etc.

I want them to over power the cars with a 3.5L formula, normally aspirated, 12 cyls max.

They'd likely all wind up being V-10's based on the compromise of power and fuel consumption but there are plenty of smaller manufacturers and specialty racing outfits that can put together a reliable 950-1100Hp V-10 and the electronics to tame the beasts are readily available- Marelli sells tons of this stuff to F1 and MotoGP and there are lots smaller mfgrs of this stuff around the world.

I'd also get rid of the multi-element wings and DRS.

My last demand (wish) is that they allow pushrod V-8's up to 10L's, I want stuff a Brodix built 10L Chevrolet into an F1 car, it should make about 1500Hp all day long at a leisurely 8000rpm or so!


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Originally Posted by PPK96754
Wish List would be a Porsche 911 GT2 RS, a Panamera Turbo S & a Cayenne Turbo S.

F-1's are bad azz though. In their own league for sure ...


^ This ^ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh8_2zQZ3xM

I recall reading a 1976 or '77 article in one of the motor mags re the testing of the "new" 911 Turbo. The factory 'test' car was sharing track time doing brake testing with several F1 teams somewhere in Europe. The article addressed the 911 Turbo Porsche (coupe) consistently out braked and, out accelerated all of the F1 cars when the drivers started 'competing' for the track lines. Quite an article, a whole new genre (class) of race cars was about to be awakened on the unlimited performance racecar industry...

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Best drivers in world, best cars in world, best engineering. But so boring because same top teams wins all the time. Car spring to lead in first lap and stay that way to end of race unless big crash.

This. Whenever I see an F1 race, the cars are spaced hundreds of yards apart, if not more, circling around the track with no change in order sleeping


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Everyone likes 911s.


A threat response is a potent trigger for motivated reasoning.

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Too advanced so both were outlawed



The 2J competed in the Can-Am series and qualified at least two seconds quicker than the next fastest car--but mechanical problems limited its success. It ran for only one season, in 1970, after which it was outlawed by the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). Although originally approved by the SCCA, they succumbed to pressure from other teams who argued that the fans constituted "movable aerodynamic devices." Sanctioning body FIA had banned such devices beginning with the 2E. There were also complaints of debris generated by the fans damaging following cars. McLaren argued that if the 2J were not outlawed, the Can-Am series would be ruined by its dominance—something McLaren had been doing since 1967.[6] A similar fan was used in Formula One eight years later on the Brabham BT46B, which won the 1978 Swedish Grand Prix, but the company reverted to the fanless BT46 soon afterwards due to concern for rules violation. The car was later deemed to have been within FIA technical specifications.

It was amazing watching how well this worked back then .








Looks like some straight face claiming anothers break thru design too ;-)

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Too advanced so both were outlawed



The 2J competed in the Can-Am series and qualified at least two seconds quicker than the next fastest car--but mechanical problems limited its success. It ran for only one season, in 1970, after which it was outlawed by the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). Although originally approved by the SCCA, they succumbed to pressure from other teams who argued that the fans constituted "movable aerodynamic devices." Sanctioning body FIA had banned such devices beginning with the 2E. There were also complaints of debris generated by the fans damaging following cars. McLaren argued that if the 2J were not outlawed, the Can-Am series would be ruined by its dominance—something McLaren had been doing since 1967.[6] A similar fan was used in Formula One eight years later on the Brabham BT46B, which won the 1978 Swedish Grand Prix, but the company reverted to the fanless BT46 soon afterwards due to concern for rules violation. The car was later deemed to have been within FIA technical specifications.

It was amazing watching how well this worked back then .





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Looks like some straight face claiming anothers break thru design too ;-)

Texas redneck Jim Hall started all this in the mid 60's.


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It was video game like how much faster they went thru turns :-)

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Originally Posted by Leaverite

a 50Mil$ mansion besides of a tent.
The Dutch.
I can't even describe it.

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We need another Mario Andretti to get the American public interested in F-1.

When I lived in Italy I never watched soccer but always watched F1. It was the time of Michael Schumacher and Ferrari dominance, so good times for Italians. I also watched World Cup Skiing and the Tour de France. Those year were the years of Lance Armstrong's dominance and I became a fan. Kind of disappointing how that all turned out.

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Originally Posted by QuadFin
F1 so boring.

Best drivers in world, best cars in world, best engineering. But so boring because same top teams wins all the time. Car spring to lead in first lap and stay that way to end of race unless big crash.

$150-400m each year to have F1 team. Stupid.

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Years ago when they ran the Long Beach Grand Prix with F-1 I went to see it. Seeing it live, on streets you have driven, was mind boggling, anything but boring, even watching the car in last place. Where I was sitting we would see them go through a series of s turns in the distance, then a block long straight going up a steep hill, brake, and then a 90 degree turn after which they would disappear down a long straight away. The acceleration they did in that block going up hill shocked2 . Then the thing I was never aware of until seeing it live was the braking socrazy They would get going way over 100mph going up that one block, then slam on the brakes, sometimes skidding into the 90 degree turn going about 60mph (?) and then be gone.

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This was a little before I saw the LBGP but it jibes with what I remember. We were sitting where they made the right turn onto Ocean, the s turns were down by Pine (in the video at about 1:30). Anybody who's ever driven down Ocean Blvd in Long Beach will get a feel for their speed....and this video's from the 70's.

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Like baseball, I imagine being a live spectator at an F1 is far better than TV.

On TV? Meh. The fact that they drive through cities is pretty cool though shaka


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Everyone likes 911s.


It has such a timeless, eye pleasing shape. No other car stood the test of time as well.

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F1 was always about pit stop strategy and qualis. Generally after the start and the first lap, it's a snooze fest unless you really nerd out on details.

What's fascinating is the technology that stems from it.

The advances in aerodynamics alone are insane.

Humble brag: I've been working with the Renault team for a few years now, since they powered the Red Bull team. Fun gig.

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Originally Posted by CharmingSophisticate
Originally Posted by Leaverite
We all are surfers. We all follow and enjoy the tech that trickles down to us.

We also all drive cars.

The F1 stuff these days is the absolute cutting edge. If these cars did no have downforce they would be airplanes.

A twin turbo, gasoline engine with a hybrid motor.

The rules. The hybrid battery pack gives about a 160HP

I still watch regularly (recording Austrian GP now) but these cars a f-ing stupid. They pretty much turned it into Formula Prius for political reasons. The expense of developing and building these contraptions means only the major factory teams can do it and the non-factory teams have to rent their engine packages from their competitors. The only outlier (not actually entering an entire car but renting powerplants) is Honda. No Judd, no Cosworth, no Yamaha, no Ilmor etc, etc.

I want them to over power the cars with a 3.5L formula, normally aspirated, 12 cyls max.

They'd likely all wind up being V-10's based on the compromise of power and fuel consumption but there are plenty of smaller manufacturers and specialty racing outfits that can put together a reliable 950-1100Hp V-10 and the electronics to tame the beasts are readily available- Marelli sells tons of this stuff to F1 and MotoGP and there are lots smaller mfgrs of this stuff around the world.

I'd also get rid of the multi-element wings and DRS.

My last demand (wish) is that they allow pushrod V-8's up to 10L's, I want stuff a Brodix built 10L Chevrolet into an F1 car, it should make about 1500Hp all day long at a leisurely 8000rpm or so!


The power output they get out of the V6's today though is just absolutely insane. Twin turbocharged V6 with two electrical energy harvesting systems that add over 160 HP to the package. The primary thing is that conventional motor burns fuel so much more efficiently than normal engines. They have a special fuel pre combustion chamber and three spark sources per cylinder. More fuel is burned each stroke. The electrical systems work /charge off of both the braking system and the exhaust. All told, over a 1000 hp from a V6.

Until last weekend it has been pretty much Mercedes/Ferrari dominated but Team Red Bull (Aston Martin and Honda) took a really convincing win.

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Originally Posted by Leaverite
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Originally Posted by Leaverite
We all are surfers. We all follow and enjoy the tech that trickles down to us.

We also all drive cars.

The F1 stuff these days is the absolute cutting edge. If these cars did no have downforce they would be airplanes.

A twin turbo, gasoline engine with a hybrid motor.

The rules. The hybrid battery pack gives about a 160HP

I still watch regularly (recording Austrian GP now) but these cars a f-ing stupid. They pretty much turned it into Formula Prius for political reasons. The expense of developing and building these contraptions means only the major factory teams can do it and the non-factory teams have to rent their engine packages from their competitors. The only outlier (not actually entering an entire car but renting powerplants) is Honda. No Judd, no Cosworth, no Yamaha, no Ilmor etc, etc.

I want them to over power the cars with a 3.5L formula, normally aspirated, 12 cyls max.

They'd likely all wind up being V-10's based on the compromise of power and fuel consumption but there are plenty of smaller manufacturers and specialty racing outfits that can put together a reliable 950-1100Hp V-10 and the electronics to tame the beasts are readily available- Marelli sells tons of this stuff to F1 and MotoGP and there are lots smaller mfgrs of this stuff around the world.

I'd also get rid of the multi-element wings and DRS.

My last demand (wish) is that they allow pushrod V-8's up to 10L's, I want stuff a Brodix built 10L Chevrolet into an F1 car, it should make about 1500Hp all day long at a leisurely 8000rpm or so!


The power output they get out of the V6's today though is just absolutely insane. Twin turbocharged V6 with two electrical energy harvesting systems that add over 160 HP to the package. The primary thing is that conventional motor burns fuel so much more efficiently than normal engines. They have a special fuel pre combustion chamber and three spark sources per cylinder. More fuel is burned each stroke. The electrical systems work /charge off of both the braking system and the exhaust. All told, over a 1000 hp from a V6.

Until last weekend it has been pretty much Mercedes/Ferrari dominated but Team Red Bull (Aston Martin and Honda) took a really convincing win.

I was a little bummed for Leclerc, he got robbed of his first win a few races back when 20% of that stupid fcuking powerplant failed. This last race Max was just faster when it counted.

BTW, the 1.5L Turbo's of the late 80's were making in the region of 1500Hp in qualifying and 1100-1300Hp for the race. Both the Renault V-6 and the BMW Inline-4 were production based engines.


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It's the greenness.

F1 is trying to step up and please all of the worldwide treehuggers, 1 pit stop per race, usually about 3 - 4 seconds for tires. No additional fuel.

A typical NASCAR car will burn up more fuel in 15 laps than an F1 car in a whole GP. Indy cars will take fuel on every pit.

But these cars also run 250 - 300 laps compared to 65 - 70 laps in F1.

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Personally, I think the biggest thing holding F1 back is their sanctioning body/stewards.

These assholes need to let the drivers race.

Vettel got absolutely robbed in Canada. And that was the best award ceremony I have ever seen.

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f1 and top fuel should be completely unlimited classes, but technology has surpassed the human body's ability to stay conscious or alive during said competitions, i.e. john stapp and detached retinae, f16

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Personally, I think the biggest thing holding F1 back is their sanctioning body/stewards.

These assholes need to let the drivers race.

Vettel got absolutely robbed in Canada. And that was the best award ceremony I have ever seen.

That was pathetic. Max almost got the same treatment in Austria. I think if he'd have gotten penalized out of that win by the stewards there would've been a riot- there was shit-ton of Dutch fans there last weekend.


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Originally Posted by Leaverite
It's the greenness.

F1 is trying to step up and please all of the worldwide treehuggers, 1 pit stop per race, usually about 3 - 4 seconds for tires. No additional fuel.

A typical NASCAR car will burn up more fuel in 15 laps than an F1 car in a whole GP. Indy cars will take fuel on every pit.

But these cars also run 250 - 300 laps compared to 65 - 70 laps in F1.


Except the laps are much longer. foreheadslap

So wait, treehuggers built more fuel efficient cars, that are much faster, have superior aerodynamics and can even corner without banked turns!
Also, they can turn both ways AND can run in the rain.

This is bad why? "Treehuggers" seem to be kicking NASCAR ass.


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If you want to compare really compare apples to apples you need to look at F1 and Indycar. Indycars have the comparable speed, handling and race some really long circuits. They also do a lot more laps than F1 on old tech and as a group are a lot more competitive.

I like both venues myself. F1 because of the ridiculous hi tech and the prestige. Indycars for the closer racing at high speed.

The Indycars will be here at Laguna Seca this September for the first time in years.

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My favorite indy car of all time was the Lotus turbine. I remember as a kid it was my favorite Hotwheel and I took a keen interest in its exploits. Never quite lived up to its potential and was quickly outlawed. Too bad. I loved the minimalist design.

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Lotus.

That was a racing name. Bobby Unser won the 1668 Indy in an Offesauer car.

Pushing the envelope.

Personally in F1 my favorite is McLaren.

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Closet motorhead here. F1 cars are insane and the $$ and logistics in the sport are even more insane. They definitely need to do something to get more passing into it, though. Still, more interesting than going around in a circle like Indy or NASCAR.

I really like endurance racing - Le Mans and Sebring and the like. The cars are equally insane as F1 and they have classes for production GT cars like Ferraris, Porsches, and Ford GTs, racing at the same time as the prototypes.


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Wish List would be a Porsche 911 GT2 RS, a Panamera Turbo S & a Cayenne Turbo S.

F-1's are bad azz though. In their own league for sure ...



My buddy has a Porsche Cayman S and he lets me drive it now and then.

Supposed to be able to do 170 MPH but I've only touched 120 so far.

Nice little car and fun as can be to drive.

You wish-list big amigo. LOL



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Try that now ;-)

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Originally Posted by Leaverite
Lotus.

That was a racing name. Bobby Unser won the 1668 Indy in an Offesauer car.

Pushing the envelope.

Personally in F1 my favorite is McLaren.

McLaren looks to be on it's way back from the doldrums.

The Haas team is American and they're (excepting the last couple weekends) steadily climbing the ladder.

I want to see Renault get its shit together for Danny Ricardo- in the Merc or Ferrari he'd be hassling for wins and podiums.

Early 2000's Renault 3L V10 on dyno- probably between 750 and 800Hp. Vive La France!


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Winning F1 cars are Prius-like.

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As does admiring the prowess of other men.


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Originally Posted by test_article
Winning F1 cars are Prius-like.

All F1 cars are Prius-like.


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Originally Posted by hammies
Closet motorhead here. F1 cars are insane and the $$ and logistics in the sport are even more insane. They definitely need to do something to get more passing into it, though. Still, more interesting than going around in a circle like Indy or NASCAR.

I really like endurance racing - Le Mans and Sebring and the like. The cars are equally insane as F1 and they have classes for production GT cars like Ferraris, Porsches, and Ford GTs, racing at the same time as the prototypes.


This is the outer envelope of auto sports.

The tech involved is what blows my mind. After a practice sesh they roll these cars back into the pit garages and a huge
driver interface monitor is lowered down and attached to the car. Wraparound screens.

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Originally Posted by CharmingSophisticate
[quote=Leaverite]Lotus.

That was a racing name. Bobby Unser won the 1668 Indy in an Offesauer car.

Pushing the envelope.

Personally in F1 my favorite is McLaren.

McLaren looks to be on it's way back from the doldrums.

The Haas team is American and they're (excepting the last couple weekends) steadily climbing the ladder.

I want to see Renault get its shit together for Danny Ricardo- in the Merc or Ferrari he'd be hassling for wins and podiums.

Early 2000's Renault 3L V10 on dyno- probably between 750 and 800Hp. Vive La France!
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Yes McLaren is a contender in F1. But in real life, if you have a spare $1,000,000 bucks. You, as a buyer will get a 4.0 liter twin turbocharged V8. Better, stronger, faster and a whole lot more reliable.

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If you haven't seen the Netflix F1 show, its a great behind the scenes sneak peak that shows a lot of whats going on with most of the teams. I think only two declined to be a part of it. This was last years race series, so basically a recap for those who watch, but cool insight into whats going on that you don't really ever see unless you are on F1 forums/blogs.

F1: Drive to Survive

I hope they return with a second season.

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I was watching the British Gran Prix practices sessions last night. Still have P3 and qualifying to watch. This is a very nice track. New surface, 3.5 miles long. 78% of the circuit is at full throttle.

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Originally Posted by Leaverite
I was watching the British Gran Prix practices sessions last night. Still have P3 and qualifying to watch. This is a very nice track. New surface, 3.5 miles long. 78% of the circuit is at full throttle.

It was either Jenson Button or Anthony Davidson that was saying that because of the insane aero-downforce on the F1 cars, they're able to take one of the turns flat out that had to be tip toe'd through in an F3 car at like 25mph slower.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Lewis takes it (semi spoiler- he's not on pole).

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Just a few facts.

Today's F1 cars are the fastest F1 cars ever. They did a comparison today with average fasted recorded lap times over the years.

Today's F1 cars have the most efficient fuel burning engines ever produced. 50% of the fuel load is converted into HP.

That says a lot in tech on how far there still is to go in producing a very efficient fossil fuel motor. The more energy that can
be effectively squeezed out of every gallon of gasoline.

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Originally Posted by Leaverite
Just a few facts.

Today's F1 cars are the fastest F1 cars ever. They did a comparison today with average fasted recorded lap times over the years.

Today's F1 cars have the most efficient fuel burning engines ever produced. 50% of the fuel load is converted into HP.

That says a lot in tech on how far there still is to go in producing a very efficient fossil fuel motor. The more energy that can
be effectively squeezed out of every gallon of gasoline.

It's a turbo hybrid, pretty much a Prius setup at heart with the addition of Kinetic Energy Recovery Sys- they're recovering some energy from braking forces.

As a dude that's into engines I think it's kinda' cool, as dude that's into motor racing I still think it's fcuking silly.

Related note: The Cosworth DFV, 3.0L V-8 about '67 vintage (about 400hp at the time, 530 at the end of its life non turbo). The basic architecture was in use through the 90's. Look at any high performance or racing engine today, car or m/c and it won't look a whole lot different. Keith Duckworth, a non corpo British engineer made this masterpiece. Notice the lack of "Hemi" combustion chamber. Dodge still gets a lot of mileage out of that fraud.
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Originally Posted by CharmingSophisticate
Originally Posted by Leaverite
Just a few facts.

Today's F1 cars are the fastest F1 cars ever. They did a comparison today with average fasted recorded lap times over the years.

Today's F1 cars have the most efficient fuel burning engines ever produced. 50% of the fuel load is converted into HP.

That says a lot in tech on how far there still is to go in producing a very efficient fossil fuel motor. The more energy that can
be effectively squeezed out of every gallon of gasoline.

It's a turbo hybrid, pretty much a Prius setup at heart with the addition of Kinetic Energy Recovery Sys- they're recovering some energy from braking forces.

As a dude that's into engines I think it's kinda' cool, as dude that's into motor racing I still think it's fcuking silly.

Related note: The Cosworth DFV, 3.0L V-8 about '67 vintage (about 400hp at the time, 530 at the end of its life non turbo). The basic architecture was in use through the 90's. Look at any high performance or racing engine today, car or m/c and it won't look a whole lot different. Keith Duckworth, a non corpo British engineer made this masterpiece. Notice the lack of "Hemi" combustion chamber. Dodge still gets a lot of mileage out of that fraud.
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Yes, A 1.6 liter, twin turbocharged, twin hybrid V6 motor. I wish I had one in my 71 Datsun 510.

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My 78 Chevy Luv 4X4 had a 1.8 liter four cylinder. That put out about 180 HP with a new manifold, Weber carb and headers.

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What I'm getting at is fossil fuel engines still have a huge amount of hi tech in the future.

Priuses and hybrids are the crude end of the future. Teslas are just giving up and burying your head in the sand.

A Tesla is not a car. It's a glorified golf cart. Svcking energy out of the power grid whether its clean or dirty.

Burying your head in the sand.

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And everywhere you go you have to have a credit card. To swipe through the charging dealybob. Big Brother...

A perfect choice for the sheeple.


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Originally Posted by Leaverite
My 78 Chevy Luv 4X4 had a 1.8 liter four cylinder. That put out about 180 HP with a new manifold, Weber carb and headers.

My stock '79 Chevy Luv (Isuzu) had a 2 barrel Htachi and made about 90hp (maybe) at sea level. It always got me and my 102hp Suzuki to the racetrack though!


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Originally Posted by Leaverite
What I'm getting at is fossil fuel engines still have a huge amount of hi tech in the future.

Priuses and hybrids are the crude end of the future. Teslas are just giving up and burying your head in the sand.

A Tesla is not a car. It's a glorified golf cart. Svcking energy out of the power grid whether its clean or dirty.

Burying your head in the sand.


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I went batshit crazy on mine. Full rear locker after I blew up the stock. 33" rims and tires. Full front end swap to a solid, locking axle. Re geared. Squeezed every drop out of the stock, 1.8 liter motor. The next step was a V6 upgrade.

The Nissan Hardbodys came out in 86. I was all over one of them like a bad rash. Bought a new V6 Nissan. A kid in the parking lot with his mom was already standing around to by my Chevy Luv.
Still wish I had that truck.

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7" suspension/body lift. Rancho shocks. The bad back then. A full Warn brushguard and winch. A custom rear bumper. Camper shell.

A little truck. It could go anywhere.

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I went batshit crazy on mine. Full rear locker after I blew up the stock. 33" rims and tires. Full front end swap to a solid, locking axle. Re geared. Squeezed every drop out of the stock, 1.8 liter motor. The next step was a V6 upgrade.

The Nissan Hardbodys came out in 86. I was all over one of them like a bad rash. Bought a new V6 Nissan. A kid in the parking lot with his mom was already standing around to buy my Chevy Luv.
Still wish I had that truck.

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if the goal is attaining the most with the least, f1 disqualifies itself from the get-go. a product of corporate decadence, its flash sophistication appeals only to high-end escorts, impotent engineers, rear-echelon “vets”, and folks who’ve never left their parents sphere of influence

the footnote denoting its place in human history will signify nothing more than novel failure until the footnote and earth itself is destroyed by an asteroid leaving only countless charred serbian n i gger corpses and silence

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You have to have a viable society to support something like F1 in the first place.

If you are a dirtbag, if your ultimate goal in life is to be a dirtbag.

F! is not for you.

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I would go do presentations about the importance of efficiency if you want sustainability and people were not digging it.

That intentional act of not sparing resources, I think, is a way to send the message of safety to the nervous system.

Maybe those people are right and I am wrong with my scarcity mindset?

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Originally Posted by Autoprax
I would go do presentations about the importance of efficiency if you want sustainability and people were not digging it.

That intentional act of not sparing resources, I think, is a way to send the message of safety to the nervous system.

Maybe those people are right and I am wrong with my scarcity mindset?

Sincerly, a Dirtbag

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I used it to trigger you.

Longevity?

Robustness?

You would have loved my presentation.

The funny thing is that I am right.

Nature (Jesus) hates waste.


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Sustainability.

If you pump your car full of gas or pump your car full of electricity.

Where does it come from???\

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A nuclear reactor that is 30 years old sitting on the beach in San Luis Obispo.

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A nuclear reactor that is 30 years old sitting on the beach in San Luis Obispo.

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All your of your douchebag eggs in one basket.

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Originally Posted by Leaverite


A Tesla is not a car. It's a glorified golf cart. Svcking energy out of the power grid whether its clean or dirty.

Burying your head in the sand.



LOL

Romain Dumas set a new Pikes Peak record of 7 minutes 57.148 seconds in the all-electric Volkswagen I.D. R Pikes Peak, beating Sébastien Loeb's previous record by over 15 seconds. A division for production based two- and four-wheel drive vehicles.

The only production car faster than a Tesla in 0-60, is a Porsche 918 Spyder.

And it's faster by only 0.08 of a second.

Electric bikes have been spanking gas bikes for like 5 years now.

TREEHUGARRS REEEEE


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Originally Posted by Leaverite
Sustainability.

If you pump your car full of gas or pump your car full of electricity.

Where does it come from???\


Albania, Iceland, and Paraguay obtain essentially all of their electricity from renewable sources (Albania and Paraguay 100% from hydroelectricity, Iceland 72% hydro and 28% geothermal). Norway obtains nearly all of its electricity from renewable sources (97 percent from hydropower).


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He buys his energy from a really bad source,

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Clean his ass up.

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You too,,,

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Love F1 but have found recent races to be a bit dull... but the race at Silverstone yesterday was pretty epic - so many great battles. Lewis getting fastest lap the last lap of the race, on 30-lap old hard compound tires... 80th win, only 12 shy of Michael Schumacher at this point.

As for hybrid tech being in F1, I really miss the scream of v8s and v10s, but the engine manufacturers supposedly need real world road-car overlap to be happily engaged with R&D, hence the turbo & hybrid components in the drive train.

Would be great if they'd let the engines rev higher and take other steps to get the cars louder.

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Originally Posted by TacoTaco

Would be great if they'd let the engines rev higher and take other steps to get the cars louder.


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