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Re: F1 [Re: hammies] #2980060
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Originally Posted by hammies
Closet motorhead here. F1 cars are insane and the $$ and logistics in the sport are even more insane. They definitely need to do something to get more passing into it, though. Still, more interesting than going around in a circle like Indy or NASCAR.

I really like endurance racing - Le Mans and Sebring and the like. The cars are equally insane as F1 and they have classes for production GT cars like Ferraris, Porsches, and Ford GTs, racing at the same time as the prototypes.


This is the outer envelope of auto sports.

The tech involved is what blows my mind. After a practice sesh they roll these cars back into the pit garages and a huge
driver interface monitor is lowered down and attached to the car. Wraparound screens.

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Originally Posted by CharmingSophisticate
[quote=Leaverite]Lotus.

That was a racing name. Bobby Unser won the 1668 Indy in an Offesauer car.

Pushing the envelope.

Personally in F1 my favorite is McLaren.

McLaren looks to be on it's way back from the doldrums.

The Haas team is American and they're (excepting the last couple weekends) steadily climbing the ladder.

I want to see Renault get its shit together for Danny Ricardo- in the Merc or Ferrari he'd be hassling for wins and podiums.

Early 2000's Renault 3L V10 on dyno- probably between 750 and 800Hp. Vive La France!
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Yes McLaren is a contender in F1. But in real life, if you have a spare $1,000,000 bucks. You, as a buyer will get a 4.0 liter twin turbocharged V8. Better, stronger, faster and a whole lot more reliable.

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If you haven't seen the Netflix F1 show, its a great behind the scenes sneak peak that shows a lot of whats going on with most of the teams. I think only two declined to be a part of it. This was last years race series, so basically a recap for those who watch, but cool insight into whats going on that you don't really ever see unless you are on F1 forums/blogs.

F1: Drive to Survive

I hope they return with a second season.

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I was watching the British Gran Prix practices sessions last night. Still have P3 and qualifying to watch. This is a very nice track. New surface, 3.5 miles long. 78% of the circuit is at full throttle.

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Originally Posted by Leaverite
I was watching the British Gran Prix practices sessions last night. Still have P3 and qualifying to watch. This is a very nice track. New surface, 3.5 miles long. 78% of the circuit is at full throttle.

It was either Jenson Button or Anthony Davidson that was saying that because of the insane aero-downforce on the F1 cars, they're able to take one of the turns flat out that had to be tip toe'd through in an F3 car at like 25mph slower.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Lewis takes it (semi spoiler- he's not on pole).

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Just a few facts.

Today's F1 cars are the fastest F1 cars ever. They did a comparison today with average fasted recorded lap times over the years.

Today's F1 cars have the most efficient fuel burning engines ever produced. 50% of the fuel load is converted into HP.

That says a lot in tech on how far there still is to go in producing a very efficient fossil fuel motor. The more energy that can
be effectively squeezed out of every gallon of gasoline.

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Originally Posted by Leaverite
Just a few facts.

Today's F1 cars are the fastest F1 cars ever. They did a comparison today with average fasted recorded lap times over the years.

Today's F1 cars have the most efficient fuel burning engines ever produced. 50% of the fuel load is converted into HP.

That says a lot in tech on how far there still is to go in producing a very efficient fossil fuel motor. The more energy that can
be effectively squeezed out of every gallon of gasoline.

It's a turbo hybrid, pretty much a Prius setup at heart with the addition of Kinetic Energy Recovery Sys- they're recovering some energy from braking forces.

As a dude that's into engines I think it's kinda' cool, as dude that's into motor racing I still think it's fcuking silly.

Related note: The Cosworth DFV, 3.0L V-8 about '67 vintage (about 400hp at the time, 530 at the end of its life non turbo). The basic architecture was in use through the 90's. Look at any high performance or racing engine today, car or m/c and it won't look a whole lot different. Keith Duckworth, a non corpo British engineer made this masterpiece. Notice the lack of "Hemi" combustion chamber. Dodge still gets a lot of mileage out of that fraud.
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Originally Posted by CharmingSophisticate
Originally Posted by Leaverite
Just a few facts.

Today's F1 cars are the fastest F1 cars ever. They did a comparison today with average fasted recorded lap times over the years.

Today's F1 cars have the most efficient fuel burning engines ever produced. 50% of the fuel load is converted into HP.

That says a lot in tech on how far there still is to go in producing a very efficient fossil fuel motor. The more energy that can
be effectively squeezed out of every gallon of gasoline.

It's a turbo hybrid, pretty much a Prius setup at heart with the addition of Kinetic Energy Recovery Sys- they're recovering some energy from braking forces.

As a dude that's into engines I think it's kinda' cool, as dude that's into motor racing I still think it's fcuking silly.

Related note: The Cosworth DFV, 3.0L V-8 about '67 vintage (about 400hp at the time, 530 at the end of its life non turbo). The basic architecture was in use through the 90's. Look at any high performance or racing engine today, car or m/c and it won't look a whole lot different. Keith Duckworth, a non corpo British engineer made this masterpiece. Notice the lack of "Hemi" combustion chamber. Dodge still gets a lot of mileage out of that fraud.
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Yes, A 1.6 liter, twin turbocharged, twin hybrid V6 motor. I wish I had one in my 71 Datsun 510.

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My 78 Chevy Luv 4X4 had a 1.8 liter four cylinder. That put out about 180 HP with a new manifold, Weber carb and headers.

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What I'm getting at is fossil fuel engines still have a huge amount of hi tech in the future.

Priuses and hybrids are the crude end of the future. Teslas are just giving up and burying your head in the sand.

A Tesla is not a car. It's a glorified golf cart. Svcking energy out of the power grid whether its clean or dirty.

Burying your head in the sand.

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And everywhere you go you have to have a credit card. To swipe through the charging dealybob. Big Brother...

A perfect choice for the sheeple.


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Originally Posted by Leaverite
My 78 Chevy Luv 4X4 had a 1.8 liter four cylinder. That put out about 180 HP with a new manifold, Weber carb and headers.

My stock '79 Chevy Luv (Isuzu) had a 2 barrel Htachi and made about 90hp (maybe) at sea level. It always got me and my 102hp Suzuki to the racetrack though!


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Originally Posted by Leaverite
What I'm getting at is fossil fuel engines still have a huge amount of hi tech in the future.

Priuses and hybrids are the crude end of the future. Teslas are just giving up and burying your head in the sand.

A Tesla is not a car. It's a glorified golf cart. Svcking energy out of the power grid whether its clean or dirty.

Burying your head in the sand.


Old racing proverb: Horsepower is Directly Proportional to Cubic Dollars.


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I went batshit crazy on mine. Full rear locker after I blew up the stock. 33" rims and tires. Full front end swap to a solid, locking axle. Re geared. Squeezed every drop out of the stock, 1.8 liter motor. The next step was a V6 upgrade.

The Nissan Hardbodys came out in 86. I was all over one of them like a bad rash. Bought a new V6 Nissan. A kid in the parking lot with his mom was already standing around to by my Chevy Luv.
Still wish I had that truck.

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7" suspension/body lift. Rancho shocks. The bad back then. A full Warn brushguard and winch. A custom rear bumper. Camper shell.

A little truck. It could go anywhere.

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