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Trump says he would accept interference from a foreign power in U.S. elections. #2967320
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The Hill: Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on political opponent | TheHill.
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-if-foreigners-offered-dirt-on-political

Traitor

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Of course he would.

Anyone would.

The DNC certainly saw no problem when they collaborated with Ukraine.

Nor did they have a problem with sending an errand boy to collect info from the Kremlin.


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Trump: I Would Accept Information On My Opponent From Foreign Governments, "It's Called Oppo Research"

of course he would and anyone else would.

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Adding Casa to the idiot list.

Fvck you Casa


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Originally Posted by Wheelhouse
Trump: I Would Accept Information On My Opponent From Foreign Governments, "It's Called Oppo Research"

of course he would and anyone else would.

tRump admits criminal intent, and all you got is "everybody is a criminal."

Another dumbshit self identifies.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta


The DNC certainly saw no problem when they collaborated with Ukraine.

Nor did they have a problem with sending an errand boy to collect info from the Kremlin.


Oh looky what we have over here.

WRONG+WRONG+WRONG=RIGHT


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so the wikileaks info on hillary and the dnc shouldve been handed over to the FBI? right? The Comey led FBI that every dem in the nation wanted fired? Until trump fired him

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This shouldn’t be a partisan issue...but somehow it is...welcome to Trump’s America. We need to invest in civics, ethics, and history teachers clearly.

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Originally Posted by Wheelhouse
so the wikileaks info on hillary and the dnc shouldve been handed over to the FBI? right? The Comey led FBI that every dem in the nation wanted fired? Until trump fired him

Rump admits criminal intent, and all you got is "Comey bad"

Dumbshit self identifies again.


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by Wheelhouse
so the wikileaks info on hillary and the dnc shouldve been handed over to the FBI? right? The Comey led FBI that every dem in the nation wanted fired? Until trump fired him

Rump admits criminal intent, and all you got is "Comey bad"

Dumbshit self identifies again.


New FBI director Cheeto appointed said under oath accepting info from a foreign government during a campaign is illegal

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The GOP demonstrates its cowardice and moral and ethical bankruptcy yet again.


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TDS on full display.

PS: How much did Hillary pay for the Steele Dossier?


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Yes, keep throwing yourself under the bus for a fcking politician dummy.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Yes, keep throwing yourself under the bus for a fcking politician dummy.


Spoken like a Trump Deranged Hillary voter.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by manbearpig
Yes, keep throwing yourself under the bus for a fcking politician dummy.


Spoken like a Trump Deranged Hillary voter.

Didn’t vote for Hillary dummy.

You know I’m right little subject.

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Bullshit.....and you'd vote for her again if she ran.


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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
TDS on full display.

PS: How much did Hillary pay for the Steele Dossier?



Google is your friend. The facts are out there.


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Originally Posted by hal9000
Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


Did you or did you not support Obama? You have zero credibility.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


Did you or did you not support Obama? You have zero credibility.

You seem really emotional this morning.

How do you feel about Hillary or Obama derangement?

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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


What part of the USA is Chris Steele from?
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Member when obama got millions in donations from Chinese sources?

Where were the peach mints then?

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When Hillary got paid half a mil per speech in Russia, was that treason? hithead

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
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Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

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Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.


Your posts lack thought and originality.


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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself



Claims to be a republican........has no problem with glaring democrat corruption. Believes every anti-republican conspiracy theory he hears.


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Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by manbearpig
Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.


Your posts lack thought and originality.

That’s literally the exact thing you’ve posted in response for the past week instead of a actual rebuttal.

Irony much?

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by manbearpig
Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.


Your posts lack thought and originality.

That’s literally the exact thing you’ve posted in response for the past week instead of a actual rebuttal.


You do the same sort of thing on the regular.

You're just not up to par, especially when it comes to insulting other posters.

I think there's a good chance you're actually GromsDadsGrom.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself



Claims to be a republican........has no problem with glaring democrat corruption. Believes every anti-republican conspiracy theory he hears.

I already said Hillary was corrupt.. She belongs in jail too.

Trump is a traitor, and you support him. You hate America, and the rule of law. Go fvck yourself dumbshit.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by manbearpig
Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by manbearpig
Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.


Your posts lack thought and originality.

That’s literally the exact thing you’ve posted in response for the past week instead of a actual rebuttal.


You do the same sort of thing on the regular.

You're just not up to par, especially when it comes to insulting other posters.

I think there's a good chance you're actually GromsDadsGrom.

There he is! Was wondering when you’d come scammering in to defend your manz.

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Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.


Your posts lack thought and originality.

That’s literally the exact thing you’ve posted in response for the past week instead of a actual rebuttal.


You do the same sort of thing on the regular.

You're just not up to par, especially when it comes to insulting other posters.

I think there's a good chance you're actually GromsDadsGrom.

There he is! Was wondering when you’d come scammering in to defend your manz.


I'm glad to know you were thinking about me. <3


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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




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https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/dossier-not-what-started-all-of-this/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...ents-trump-dossier-author-steele-n897506


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Fusion had been hired to get information on Trump during the primaries by a Republican media firm, Washington Free Beacon. When Trump became the Republican nominee, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party began picking up the tab for the Fusion research. Fusion owner Glenn Simpson hired Steele, a Russia expert, to gather information from his sources in Russia.


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If the Russians (or anybody else) had footage of Trump (or anybody else) getting peed on by underage hookers as he snorted lines of coke while watching a snuff film, I would want that entered into the election. The subject of the surveillance is vulnerable to blackmail and has appetites most of us would consider incompatible with a top security clearance/leader of the US. Not to mention being sub standard as an everyday Joe Blow. (pun not intended)

If anybody came into information re such behavior and then did NOT make that information public, I would consider that person a traitor who was cheating the American voting public. Of course you would listen. Listen and then verify. If you can verify the information with say an FBI investigation, then you release the information.

Information, if it is legit, is always good.

And both sides would of course listen. If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge you should buy. Swampland included.

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Originally Posted by i_shapes
If the Russians (or anybody else) had footage of Trump (or anybody else) getting peed on by underage hookers as he snorted lines of coke while watching a snuff film, I would want that entered into the election. The subject of the surveillance is vulnerable to blackmail and has appetites most of us would consider incompatible with a top security clearance/leader of the US. Not to mention being sub standard as an everyday Joe Blow. (pun not intended)

If anybody came into information re such behavior and then NOT make that information public, I would consider that person a traitor who was cheating the American voting public. Of course you would listen. Listen and then verify. If you can verify the information with say an FBI investigation, then you release the information.

Information, if it is legit, is always good.

And both sides would of course listen. If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge you should by. Swampland included.


But, but it's TRUMP! ORANJ JULYUS!


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Every time you bring up deep state you decredit yourself.

Not that you need any help doing that.


The DOJ IG report which will drop in July will be interesting

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Originally Posted by hal9000
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/dossier-not-what-started-all-of-this/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...ents-trump-dossier-author-steele-n897506


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Fusion had been hired to get information on Trump during the primaries by a Republican media firm, Washington Free Beacon. When Trump became the Republican nominee, the Clinton campaign and the Democratic Party began picking up the tab for the Fusion research. Fusion owner Glenn Simpson hired Steele, a Russia expert, to gather information from his sources in Russia.



So political campaigns paying a private research firm to collect info from foreign governments using a foreign agent is OK?

lol

What a flimsy attempt at rationalizing. FAIL.

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These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents

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Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/


I see. So in order to make "foreign interference" sound illegal the definition has to be narrowed to include only campaign contributions.

.....for this argument only.
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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
The meltdown continues!


Too. Damn. Stupid. To merit a response.

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents



Total race to the bottom. Cool. Shit-for-brains thinking.

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents


This ^^^^^^^


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
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These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents



Total race to the bottom. Cool. Shit-for-brains thinking.



I think the bottom was starting a fake charity to take hundreds of millions of bribes from foreign countries while someone was Sec of State, then brazenly running for President and accusing this persons opponent of “collusion” after a loss

We’re on the upswing now

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents



Total race to the bottom. Cool. Shit-for-brains thinking.



I think the bottom was starting a fake charity to take hundreds of millions of bribes from foreign countries while someone was Sec of State, then brazenly running for President and accusing this persons opponent of “collusion” after a loss

We’re on the upswing now

Complete lies, how about Trumps charity? Stealing money meant for cancer kids, so Presidential

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents



Total race to the bottom. Cool. Shit-for-brains thinking.



I think the bottom was starting a fake charity to take hundreds of millions of bribes from foreign countries while someone was Sec of State, then brazenly running for President and accusing this persons opponent of “collusion” after a loss

We’re on the upswing now


And Trump is different how exactly?

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents



Total race to the bottom. Cool. Shit-for-brains thinking.



I think the bottom was starting a fake charity to take hundreds of millions of bribes from foreign countries while someone was Sec of State, then brazenly running for President and accusing this persons opponent of “collusion” after a loss

We’re on the upswing now


You’re still subscribing to the same damn fallacy of two wrongs make a right, fool.

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Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
These guys are total propaganda victims

They only know orange man bad but can’t explain why they don’t care about way worse behavior from all of his opponents



Total race to the bottom. Cool. Shit-for-brains thinking.



I think the bottom was starting a fake charity to take hundreds of millions of bribes from foreign countries while someone was Sec of State, then brazenly running for President and accusing this persons opponent of “collusion” after a loss

We’re on the upswing now


And Trump is different how exactly?
His idiot base likes that he is completely open about his corruption, librul tears and all.

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still digesting how goddam stupid this line of thinking is. If someone embezzles the US out of, say, $20M and gets away with it then hey, it’s open season to rape and pillage the US!!! Even sell out the US to foreign adversaries!

Cuz hey, the 1st person GOT AWAY WITH IT!

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Originally Posted by JEwing
That's not what he said fake news lady.


JEwing spouting off despite the facts!? unpossible!



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Sore losing is a really bad look

Maybe you will figure this out by 2024

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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Sore losing is a really bad look

Maybe you will figure this out by 2024

Excellent retort, you are really challenging the perception that Trump fans are childish morons.

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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Of course he would.

Anyone would.

The DNC certainly saw no problem when they collaborated with Ukraine.

Nor did they have a problem with sending an errand boy to collect info from the Kremlin.


Didn't Gore not do it?


A threat response is a potent trigger for motivated reasoning.

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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Call it nuance, a technicality, loophole, etc.

Fusion GPS was hired and contracted to do opposition research. They were paid to do a specific service and once that was done, business concluded. The motivation for producing results is for future business. Yay capitalism.

Trump's team was approached by a lawyer for a sanctioned foreign government that led a coordinated effort to interfere in our elections. She approached them with the intent to offer something of value to their presidential campaign. This runs into quid pro quo territory.

If Trump's team declined the meeting, hired a Private Investigator for a dollar and pointed them in her direction, this would be a moot point.

It's like, paying a prostitute for sex is illegal but if you pay and film a porn star, everything's cool.

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Originally Posted by mundus

Excellent retort, you are really challenging the perception that Trump fans are childish morons.


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Originally Posted by mundus

Excellent retort, you are really challenging the perception that Trump fans are childish morons.


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more projection from the stupid.

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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


https://themoscowproject.org/tags/fusiongpssteeledossier/


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Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Call it nuance, a technicality, loophole, etc.

Fusion GPS was hired and contracted to do opposition research. They were paid to do a specific service and once that was done, business concluded. The motivation for producing results is for future business. Yay capitalism.


No doubt the DNC knew what they were paying for when they went to Fusion GPS. Even if they didn't (of course they did) they found it to be OK to have done so - per the DNC's Marc Elias who oversaw things.

And they had no problems with using the resulting info from the Kremlin.


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Trump's team was approached by a lawyer for a sanctioned foreign government that led a coordinated effort to interfere in our elections. She approached them with the intent to offer something of value to their presidential campaign. This runs into quid pro quo territory.


If I'm not mistaken Natalia was a lobbyist and lawyer who had done work here in the US - not an official representative of the Russian government.

Was she working in an official capacity directly on behalf of the Kremlin? (i don't know the answer, but i don't think it really matters - see ishape's post)

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If Trump's team declined the meeting, hired a Private Investigator for a dollar and pointed them in her direction, this would be a moot point.


But if someone other than the candidate acts as a middleman when meeting with a private citizen from another country it's not OK?

The rationalization here is rather absurd.

The Trump Tower meeting was essentially middlemen meeting with a lobbyist/lawyer who was foreign.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Let’s say, Steele Dossier not okay.

Now, does that mean trump can work with foreign governments to throw the 2020 election?

I’ll be waiting for your answer.

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Originally Posted by Autoprax
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Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


https://themoscowproject.org/tags/fusiongpssteeledossier/


Yes, the Steele Dossier.

Now, is it OK to use information from individuals working on behalf of foreign governments as opp research in political campaigns?

It's a simple yes or no answer.


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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


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The fake outrage over Trumby is pretty laughable considering that the previous administration took foreign information and had its FBI fraudulently take it to the FISA Court as a basis to spy on the Trump campaign. The left will obstruct all efforts to investigate those abuses at all costs.


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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Let’s say, Steele Dossier not okay.

Now, does that mean trump can work with foreign governments to throw the 2020 election?

I’ll be waiting for your answer.


confused2

Trump throws the 2020 election?

I'm actually not sure - has that ever happened in US history?

You actually think Trump's support is so high he has to conspire with foreign governments to lose?


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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


Is this mantra something your therapist recommended?

It must make you feel better repeating that.


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The fake outrage over Trumby is pretty laughable considering that the previous administration took foreign information and had its FBI fraudulently take it to the FISA Court as a basis to spy on the Trump campaign. The left will obstruct all efforts to investigate those abuses at all costs.



Wait until the GOP is forced to turn on Trumby. The backpedaling will provide all the renewable energy to meet Amerca's needs for the next century.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


Is this mantra something your therapist recommended?

It must make you feel better repeating that.




Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


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Originally Posted by hal9000
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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


Is this mantra something your therapist recommended?

It must make you feel better repeating that.




Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.


That's a "YES"


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Let’s say, Steele Dossier not okay.

Now, does that mean trump can work with foreign governments to throw the 2020 election?

I’ll be waiting for your answer.


confused2

Trump throws the 2020 election?

I'm actually not sure - has that ever happened in US history?

You actually think Trump's support is so high he has to conspire with foreign governments to lose?


Not saying that. But the more pointed issue is, is it okay for him to accept foreign help to try to win in 2020? In other words, is it ok for him to try to throw the election?

Cause he just invited foreign help basically.

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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Let’s say, Steele Dossier not okay.

Now, does that mean trump can work with foreign governments to throw the 2020 election?

I’ll be waiting for your answer.


confused2

Trump throws the 2020 election?

I'm actually not sure - has that ever happened in US history?

You actually think Trump's support is so high he has to conspire with foreign governments to lose?


Not saying that. But the more pointed issue is, is it okay for him to accept foreign help to try to win in 2020? In other words, is it ok for him to try to throw the election?

Cause he just invited foreign help basically.


And directly contradicted his FBI director.

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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Let’s say, Steele Dossier not okay.

Now, does that mean trump can work with foreign governments to throw the 2020 election?

I’ll be waiting for your answer.


confused2

Trump throws the 2020 election?

I'm actually not sure - has that ever happened in US history?

You actually think Trump's support is so high he has to conspire with foreign governments to lose?


Not saying that.


That's the question you asked. confused2

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But the more pointed issue is, is it okay for him to accept foreign help to try to win in 2020?


What do you define as "foreign help"?

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In other words, is it ok for him to try to throw the election?


Throwing the election = losing intentionally.

You're asking the same question that you asked before, then said you didn't ask. pokestick


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Conspiring with a foreign government to launch a propaganda campaign would be a bad thing.

Getting handed accurate information form a foreign government that reflects poorly on an opposition candidate? I have ZERO problem with this.

You should WANT to know this information.

That was the whole idea behind the Steele Dossier, duh. trout


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta

Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
[quote=casa_mugrienta]Let's get this straight:



We're now saying the Steele Dossier was a traitorous? confused2

Steele Dossier = DNC presidential campaign paying a foreign agent to solicit information from people working in foreign governments (including the Kremlin/Russia).

You can't have it both ways.

Either it's OK or it's not OK.

So was the Steele Dossier a bad thing? Yes or No. Then explain.




Still waiting...


Let’s say, Steele Dossier not okay.

Now, does that mean trump can work with foreign governments to throw the 2020 election?

I’ll be waiting for your answer.


confused2

Trump throws the 2020 election?

I'm actually not sure - has that ever happened in US history?

You actually think Trump's support is so high he has to conspire with foreign governments to lose?


Not saying that.


That's the question you asked. confused2

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But the more pointed issue is, is it okay for him to accept foreign help to try to win in 2020?


What do you define as "foreign help"?

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In other words, is it ok for him to try to throw the election?


Throwing the election = losing intentionally.

You're asking the same question that you asked before, then said you didn't ask. pokestick

[/quote]

Ok, let me ask again.

Is it okay with you for trump to solicit foreign help to try to win the 2020 election?

And this is even assuming the Steele Dossier was not ok. So, no “but the Steele Dossier!”

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Originally Posted by Uberkuque

Is it okay with you for trump to solicit foreign help to try to win the 2020 election?


See above.

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And this is even assuming the Steele Dossier was not ok.



"Assuming."

So was the Steele Dossier OK?

Yes or no.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Conspiring with a foreign government to launch a propaganda campaign would be a bad thing.

Getting handed accurate information form a foreign government that reflects poorly on an opposition candidate? I have ZERO problem with this.

You should WANT to know this information.

That was the whole idea behind the Steele Dossier, duh. trout

How about fake info, like Pizzagate, Seth Rich, Hilary getting indicted/dying, etc?

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Newsflash: not "collusion"

And if you think this hasn't been going on for literal centuries you're turbo naive


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Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque

Is it okay with you for trump to solicit foreign help to try to win the 2020 election?


See above.

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And this is even assuming the Steele Dossier was not ok.



"Assuming."

So was the Steele Dossier OK?

Yes or no.


Dodging the question? I’ll take that as: no it is NOT okay for trump to enlist foreign help to try to win 2020. You know it, I know it, anyone with half a brain knows it.

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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque

Is it okay with you for trump to solicit foreign help to try to win the 2020 election?


See above.

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And this is even assuming the Steele Dossier was not ok.



"Assuming."

So was the Steele Dossier OK?

Yes or no.


The problem with the Steele Dossier was that it was shaky info at best. It was not vetted. This info was then taken to the FISA Court and signed off on more than once as the basis to spy on the opponent of the incumbent administration.

Who here believes that if a similar dossier had been submitted to the Obama administration about Hillary Clinton that the Obama administration would have gone to similar lengths to spy on the Hillary campaign????


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

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Veselnitskaya was involved in lobbying efforts to overturn the Magnitsky act. Sanctions that directly affect Russia.

If this were a single incident I think it could be written off. But lots of the very best people Trump hired have been indicted for lying about their contacts with Russians.

Cohen lied about Trump Tower Moscow.
Flynn lied about his conversations with Russian Ambassador, Kislyak about sanctions.
Gates and Manafort were charged with false and misleading FARA statements.
Kilimnik, Manafort's translator in Ukraine is charged with witness tampering in Manafort's trial.
Papadopoulos lied about contacts with dirt on Hillary.
Stone was indicted for lying about strategic release of stolen DNC documents and witness tampering regarding those contacts.
Alexander van der Zwaan was convicted of lying to the FBI about his communications with Gates and Kilimnik.

I honestly don't believe Trump or his family we're looking to conspire with Russians. I think their inexperience made them easy targets for opportunistic foreign agents.

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Originally Posted by Uberkuque
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Uberkuque

Is it okay with you for trump to solicit foreign help to try to win the 2020 election?


See above.

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And this is even assuming the Steele Dossier was not ok.



"Assuming."

So was the Steele Dossier OK?

Yes or no.


Dodging the question?


No.

I answered directly, above.

Go back and read.

The only question dodging here is you.

I'll ask again:

Was the Steele Dossier OK?


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
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Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

"Contributions" = $



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Trumby is a liar and a traitor. Republicans are cowards. Trumby supporters are cowards.

You guys seem to have a difficult time accepting this truth.


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

"Contributions" = $

No.

A contribution is a thing of value.

If the stolen documents had no value, why bother hiding that information behind passwords, firewalls and information security experts?

Just, no.

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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Conspiring with a foreign government to launch a propaganda campaign would be a bad thing.

Getting handed accurate information form a foreign government that reflects poorly on an opposition candidate? I have ZERO problem with this.

You should WANT to know this information.

That was the whole idea behind the Steele Dossier, duh. trout


Ok I missed this. I agree. As for the propriety of the Steele Dossier, seems a bit of a grey area. But I don’t favor legality/illegality one way or the other; if it violated the law then the dossier is not okay.

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Originally Posted by Phi1
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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

"Contributions" = $

No.

A contribution is a thing of value.

If the stolen documents had no value, why bother hiding that information behind passwords, firewalls and information security experts?

Just, no.

My mundane personal emails are hidden behind passwords, firewalls, and informational security experts

My erBB login is hidden by the same things as well

These have no value; everyone hides everything behind that kind of security. Try harder

While I'll admit information has value, in the wording of this law "contributions" mean money, not info


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Originally Posted by Phi1
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Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

"Contributions" = $

No.

A contribution is a thing of value.

If the stolen documents had no value, why bother hiding that information behind passwords, firewalls and information security experts?

Just, no.


lol
The level of desperation in making such a claim is off the charts.

Foreign citizens have given plenty of "things of value" to presidential campaigns over the ages. From a show of support on Facebook to advice on world affairs to you name it.


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Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

"Contributions" = $

No.

A contribution is a thing of value.

If the stolen documents had no value, why bother hiding that information behind passwords, firewalls and information security experts?

Just, no.


lol
The level of desperation in making such a claim is off the charts.

Foreign citizens have given plenty of "things of value" to presidential campaigns over the ages. From a show of support on Facebook to advice on world affairs to you name it.


Opposition research is typically paid for by a campaign. The dossier being paid for by Republicans during the primary as an example. Receiving such a type of item from a foreign agent/agency/government w/o paying would be campaign contribution. If Cheeto did it while in office he'd also be violating the emoluments clause, at minimum. Worse he'd be committing treason.

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If Trump gets info on his opponents from illegal immigrants, is that good or bad?

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Well, the good news is if iFall or Casa were in jr's shoes, they wouldn't be charged either. The bad news is you're both as dumb as jr.

roflmao

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On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful. The investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban or the application of federal law to the relevant factual context. The government does not have strong evidence of surreptitious behavior or efforts at concealment at the time of the June 9 meeting. While the government has evidence of later efforts to prevent disclosure of the nature of the June 9 meeting that could circumstantially provide support for a showing of scienter, see Volume II, Section II.G, infra, that concealment occurred more than a year later, involved individuals who did not attend the June 9 meeting, and may reflect an intention to avoid political consequences rather than any prior knowledge of illegality. Additionally, in light of the unresolved legal questions about whether giving "documents and information" of the sort offered here constitutes a campaign contribution, Trump Jr. could mount a factual defense that he did not believe his response to the offer and the June 9 meeting itself violated the law. Given his less direct involvement in arranging the June 9 meeting, Kushner could likely mount a similar defense. And, while Manafort is experienced with political campaigns, the Office has not developed evidence showing that he had relevant knowledge of these legal issues.


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If Trump gets info on his opponents from illegal immigrants, is that good or bad?


that would be committing torture

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Well, the good news is if iFall or Casa were in jr's shoes, they wouldn't be charged either. The bad news is you're both as dumb as jr.

roflmao

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On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful. The investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban or the application of federal law to the relevant factual context. The government does not have strong evidence of surreptitious behavior or efforts at concealment at the time of the June 9 meeting. While the government has evidence of later efforts to prevent disclosure of the nature of the June 9 meeting that could circumstantially provide support for a showing of scienter, see Volume II, Section II.G, infra, that concealment occurred more than a year later, involved individuals who did not attend the June 9 meeting, and may reflect an intention to avoid political consequences rather than any prior knowledge of illegality. Additionally, in light of the unresolved legal questions about whether giving "documents and information" of the sort offered here constitutes a campaign contribution, Trump Jr. could mount a factual defense that he did not believe his response to the offer and the June 9 meeting itself violated the law. Given his less direct involvement in arranging the June 9 meeting, Kushner could likely mount a similar defense. And, while Manafort is experienced with political campaigns, the Office has not developed evidence showing that he had relevant knowledge of these legal issues.


You can't post a quote without a source.

And beyond that, your own quote here shows your whole argument is completely speculative and open to interpretation.

"Additionally, in light of the unresolved legal questions about whether giving "documents and information" of the sort offered here constitutes a campaign contribution"


My entire existence is a failed gotcha
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Phi1
Well, the good news is if iFall or Casa were in jr's shoes, they wouldn't be charged either. The bad news is you're both as dumb as jr.

roflmao

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On the facts here, the government would unlikely be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the June 9 meeting participants had general knowledge that their conduct was unlawful. The investigation has not developed evidence that the participants in the meeting were familiar with the foreign-contribution ban or the application of federal law to the relevant factual context. The government does not have strong evidence of surreptitious behavior or efforts at concealment at the time of the June 9 meeting. While the government has evidence of later efforts to prevent disclosure of the nature of the June 9 meeting that could circumstantially provide support for a showing of scienter, see Volume II, Section II.G, infra, that concealment occurred more than a year later, involved individuals who did not attend the June 9 meeting, and may reflect an intention to avoid political consequences rather than any prior knowledge of illegality. Additionally, in light of the unresolved legal questions about whether giving "documents and information" of the sort offered here constitutes a campaign contribution, Trump Jr. could mount a factual defense that he did not believe his response to the offer and the June 9 meeting itself violated the law. Given his less direct involvement in arranging the June 9 meeting, Kushner could likely mount a similar defense. And, while Manafort is experienced with political campaigns, the Office has not developed evidence showing that he had relevant knowledge of these legal issues.


You can't post a quote without a source.

And beyond that, your own quote here shows your whole argument is completely speculative and open to interpretation.

"Additionally, in light of the unresolved legal questions about whether giving "documents and information" of the sort offered here constitutes a campaign contribution"



Pretty sure that's a section from the Mueller report.

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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by ifallalot
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Campaigns may not solicit or accept contributions from foreign nationals. Federal law prohibits contributions, donations, expenditures and disbursements solicited, directed, received or made directly or indirectly by or from foreign nationals in connection with any election — federal, state or local.

https://www.fec.gov/help-candidates...ng-receipts/who-can-and-cant-contribute/

"Contributions" = $

No.

A contribution is a thing of value.

If the stolen documents had no value, why bother hiding that information behind passwords, firewalls and information security experts?

Just, no.

My mundane personal emails are hidden behind passwords, firewalls, and informational security experts

My erBB login is hidden by the same things as well

These have no value; everyone hides everything behind that kind of security. Try harder

While I'll admit information has value, in the wording of this law "contributions" mean money, not info



probably the most relevant point is that the special counsel did not levy a campaign
finance violation for the trump tower meeting in part because they could not necessarily
ascribe value to the information being offered.

if you consider that, the president is not necessarily wrong in a legal sense.


if you haven't smoked DMT you have no credibility on any subject in surfing or outside of surfing...
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Originally Posted by stu dog

Pretty sure that's a section from the Mueller report.


Shhh. Don't tell him he's reading Vol. 1 Pages 187,188. Should also check out pages 185 & 186:


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A threshold legal question is whether providing to a campaign "documents and information" of the type involved here would constitute a prohibited campaign contribution. The foreign contribution ban is not limited to contributions of money. It expressly prohibits "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value." 52 U.S.C. § 3012l(a)(l)(A), (a)(2) (emphasis added). And the term "contribution" is defined throughout the campaign-finance laws to "include[]" "any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value." 52 U.S.C. § 30101(8)(A)(i) (emphasis added).

The phrases "thing of value" and "anything of value" are broad and inclusive enough to encompass at least some forms of valuable information. Throughout the United States Code, these phrases serve as "term[ s] of art" that are construed "broad[ly]." United States v. Nilsen, 967 F .2d 539, 542 (11th Cir. 1992) (per curiam) ("thing of value" includes "both tangibles and intangibles"); see also, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 20l(b)(l), 666(a)(2) (bribery statutes); id. § 641 (theft of government property). For example, the term "thing of value" encompasses law enforcement reports that would reveal the identity of informants, United States v. Girard, 601 F.2d 69, 71 (2d Cir. 1979); classified materials, United States v. Fowler, 932 F.2d 306, 310 (4th Cir. 1991); confidential information about a competitive bid, United States v. Matzkin, 14 F .3d 1014, I 020 ( 4th Cir. 1994); secret grand jury information, United States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 680 (6th Cir. 1985); and information about a witness's whereabouts, United States v. Sheker, 618 F.2d 607, 609 (9th Cir. 1980) (per curiam). And in the public corruption context, "'thing of value' is defined broadly to include the value which the defendant subjectively attaches to the items received." United States v. Renzi, 769 F.3d 731,744 (9th Cir. 2014) (internal quotation marks omitted).

Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations recognize the value to a campaign of at least some forms of information, stating that the term "anything of value" includes "the provision of any goods or services without charge," such as "membership lists" and "mailing lists." 11 C.F.R. § 100.52(d)(l). The FEC has concluded that the phrase includes a state-by-state list of activists. See Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. FEC, 475 F.3d 337, 338 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (describing the FEC's findings). Likewise, polling data provided to a campaign constitutes a "contribution." FEC Advisory Opinion 1990-12 (Strub), 1990 WL 153454 (citing 11 C.F.R. § 106.4(6)). And in the specific context of the foreign-contributions ban, the FEC has concluded that "election materials used in previous Canadian campaigns," including "flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material," constitute "anything of value," even though "the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain." FEC Advisory Opinion 2007-22 (Hurysz), 2007 WL 5172375, at *5.

These authorities would support the view that candidate-related opposition research given to a campaign for the purpose of influencing an election could constitute a contribution to which the foreign-source ban could apply. A campaign can be assisted not only by the provision offunds, but also by the provision of derogatory information about an opponent. Political campaigns frequently conduct and pay for opposition research. A foreign entity that engaged in such research and provided resulting information to a campaign could exert a greater effect on an election, and a greater tendency to ingratiate the donor to the candidate, than a gift of money or tangible things of value. At the same time, no judicial decision has treated the voluntary provision of uncompensated opposition research or similar information as a thing of value that could amount to a contribution under campaign-finance law. Such an interpretation could have implications beyond the foreign-source ban, see 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a) (imposing monetary limits on campaign contributions), and raise First Amendment questions. Those questions could be especially difficult where the information consisted simply of the recounting of historically accurate facts. It is uncertain how courts would resolve those issues.


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself



Claims to be a republican........has no problem with glaring democrat corruption. Believes every anti-republican conspiracy theory he hears.

I already said Hillary was corrupt.. She belongs in jail too.

Trump is a traitor, and you support him. You hate America, and the rule of law. Go fvck yourself dumbshit.


So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?

Hell fooking no!

In fact it would not get one peep of MSM "news" coverage today or the like we've had 24/7/365 the last 2-1/2 years.

Live with it Dems. Elect a better candidate, STFU already, get some real shit done or lose again.

Obsessive desperation is not a good look.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by GromsDad
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by BillyOcean
Let’s start with Hillary and Obama and the whole deep state crew that facilitated them

If Dems are still cool with the whole treason thing then, we can do trump

You are a stupid troll aren't you?

Who is in office right now? Who is giving nuclear secrets to the Saudis right now? Who is asking for foreign contributions right now.

Stupid shits like you give him his power. Go fvck yourself



Claims to be a republican........has no problem with glaring democrat corruption. Believes every anti-republican conspiracy theory he hears.

I already said Hillary was corrupt.. She belongs in jail too.

Trump is a traitor, and you support him. You hate America, and the rule of law. Go fvck yourself dumbshit.


So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?

Hell fooking no!

In fact it would not get one peep of MSM "news" coverage today or the like we've had 24/7/365 the last 2-1/2 years.

Live with it Dems. Elect a better candidate, STFU already, get some real shit done or lose again.

Obsessive desperation is not a good look.


the dossier was paid for by the GOP too. They also handed it over to the FBI. Everyone in law enforcement disagrees with Cheeto, even Barr on this one.

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Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


Surf 'em if you got 'em
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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao


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Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao






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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.

Really I seem to remember her testifying for hours in front of a hostile congress. When is Trump and the rest of his cabal going have the balls to do the same?

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Originally Posted by hal9000
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by Sharkbiscuit
Originally Posted by Surfdog

So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
.


Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


roflmao






Wow. Dementia among the 55+ wing of the erBB is real.


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Originally Posted by Phi1
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Pretty sure that's a section from the Mueller report.


Shhh. Don't tell him he's reading Vol. 1 Pages 187,188. Should also check out pages 185 & 186:


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A threshold legal question is whether providing to a campaign "documents and information" of the type involved here would constitute a prohibited campaign contribution. The foreign contribution ban is not limited to contributions of money. It expressly prohibits "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value." 52 U.S.C. § 3012l(a)(l)(A), (a)(2) (emphasis added). And the term "contribution" is defined throughout the campaign-finance laws to "include[]" "any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value." 52 U.S.C. § 30101(8)(A)(i) (emphasis added).

The phrases "thing of value" and "anything of value" are broad and inclusive enough to encompass at least some forms of valuable information. Throughout the United States Code, these phrases serve as "term[ s] of art" that are construed "broad[ly]." United States v. Nilsen, 967 F .2d 539, 542 (11th Cir. 1992) (per curiam) ("thing of value" includes "both tangibles and intangibles"); see also, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 20l(b)(l), 666(a)(2) (bribery statutes); id. § 641 (theft of government property). For example, the term "thing of value" encompasses law enforcement reports that would reveal the identity of informants, United States v. Girard, 601 F.2d 69, 71 (2d Cir. 1979); classified materials, United States v. Fowler, 932 F.2d 306, 310 (4th Cir. 1991); confidential information about a competitive bid, United States v. Matzkin, 14 F .3d 1014, I 020 ( 4th Cir. 1994); secret grand jury information, United States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 680 (6th Cir. 1985); and information about a witness's whereabouts, United States v. Sheker, 618 F.2d 607, 609 (9th Cir. 1980) (per curiam). And in the public corruption context, "'thing of value' is defined broadly to include the value which the defendant subjectively attaches to the items received." United States v. Renzi, 769 F.3d 731,744 (9th Cir. 2014) (internal quotation marks omitted).

Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations recognize the value to a campaign of at least some forms of information, stating that the term "anything of value" includes "the provision of any goods or services without charge," such as "membership lists" and "mailing lists." 11 C.F.R. § 100.52(d)(l). The FEC has concluded that the phrase includes a state-by-state list of activists. See Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. FEC, 475 F.3d 337, 338 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (describing the FEC's findings). Likewise, polling data provided to a campaign constitutes a "contribution." FEC Advisory Opinion 1990-12 (Strub), 1990 WL 153454 (citing 11 C.F.R. § 106.4(6)). And in the specific context of the foreign-contributions ban, the FEC has concluded that "election materials used in previous Canadian campaigns," including "flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material," constitute "anything of value," even though "the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain." FEC Advisory Opinion 2007-22 (Hurysz), 2007 WL 5172375, at *5.

These authorities would support the view that candidate-related opposition research given to a campaign for the purpose of influencing an election could constitute a contribution to which the foreign-source ban could apply. A campaign can be assisted not only by the provision offunds, but also by the provision of derogatory information about an opponent. Political campaigns frequently conduct and pay for opposition research. A foreign entity that engaged in such research and provided resulting information to a campaign could exert a greater effect on an election, and a greater tendency to ingratiate the donor to the candidate, than a gift of money or tangible things of value. At the same time, no judicial decision has treated the voluntary provision of uncompensated opposition research or similar information as a thing of value that could amount to a contribution under campaign-finance law. Such an interpretation could have implications beyond the foreign-source ban, see 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a) (imposing monetary limits on campaign contributions), and raise First Amendment questions. Those questions could be especially difficult where the information consisted simply of the recounting of historically accurate facts. It is uncertain how courts would resolve those issues.





Nothing you're posting here out of the report proves anything, rather it just submits the vague questions that either side can interpret whatever way they want

The Mueller Report:

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I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.



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Originally Posted by hal9000
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So if Hillary was elected, would the Dems be going after her with the same obsession, fervor and HDS they're doing now with Trump?
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Go after her for what? Something you made up, like Seth Rich or Vince Foster? Something that's been investigated 800 times with nothing of note being found, like Benghazi or Emailz?

There is nothing remotely close to Michael Flynn there, just to name one instance. That was worse than everything the (D) have done since Keating, combined.


Blatant obstruction of justice for a start.


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Wow. Dementia among the 55+ wing of the erBB is real.


So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

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The DNC is a private organization and can make any rules they want. Try again?

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So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?

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Originally Posted by Phi1
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So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?


If they had no value, why did they go to extreme measures to destroy all evidence of them?


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I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.



Like I said.....Look at the most delusional and fact-free posting on here. Correlate that with the age of the person who posted it.

Not sure if I can agree with that, because I the than GDaddy, I might be the oldest on on this thread.

The dumbfucks are ignoring that the steel dossier was paid for, and the author was an ally. Trump was given a contribution of STOLEN DOCUMENTS FROM AN ENEMY


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Pretty sure that's a section from the Mueller report.


Shhh. Don't tell him he's reading Vol. 1 Pages 187,188. Should also check out pages 185 & 186:


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A threshold legal question is whether providing to a campaign "documents and information" of the type involved here would constitute a prohibited campaign contribution. The foreign contribution ban is not limited to contributions of money. It expressly prohibits "a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value." 52 U.S.C. § 3012l(a)(l)(A), (a)(2) (emphasis added). And the term "contribution" is defined throughout the campaign-finance laws to "include[]" "any gift, subscription, loan, advance, or deposit of money or anything of value." 52 U.S.C. § 30101(8)(A)(i) (emphasis added).

The phrases "thing of value" and "anything of value" are broad and inclusive enough to encompass at least some forms of valuable information. Throughout the United States Code, these phrases serve as "term[ s] of art" that are construed "broad[ly]." United States v. Nilsen, 967 F .2d 539, 542 (11th Cir. 1992) (per curiam) ("thing of value" includes "both tangibles and intangibles"); see also, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §§ 20l(b)(l), 666(a)(2) (bribery statutes); id. § 641 (theft of government property). For example, the term "thing of value" encompasses law enforcement reports that would reveal the identity of informants, United States v. Girard, 601 F.2d 69, 71 (2d Cir. 1979); classified materials, United States v. Fowler, 932 F.2d 306, 310 (4th Cir. 1991); confidential information about a competitive bid, United States v. Matzkin, 14 F .3d 1014, I 020 ( 4th Cir. 1994); secret grand jury information, United States v. Jeter, 775 F.2d 670, 680 (6th Cir. 1985); and information about a witness's whereabouts, United States v. Sheker, 618 F.2d 607, 609 (9th Cir. 1980) (per curiam). And in the public corruption context, "'thing of value' is defined broadly to include the value which the defendant subjectively attaches to the items received." United States v. Renzi, 769 F.3d 731,744 (9th Cir. 2014) (internal quotation marks omitted).

Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations recognize the value to a campaign of at least some forms of information, stating that the term "anything of value" includes "the provision of any goods or services without charge," such as "membership lists" and "mailing lists." 11 C.F.R. § 100.52(d)(l). The FEC has concluded that the phrase includes a state-by-state list of activists. See Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington v. FEC, 475 F.3d 337, 338 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (describing the FEC's findings). Likewise, polling data provided to a campaign constitutes a "contribution." FEC Advisory Opinion 1990-12 (Strub), 1990 WL 153454 (citing 11 C.F.R. § 106.4(6)). And in the specific context of the foreign-contributions ban, the FEC has concluded that "election materials used in previous Canadian campaigns," including "flyers, advertisements, door hangers, tri-folds, signs, and other printed material," constitute "anything of value," even though "the value of these materials may be nominal or difficult to ascertain." FEC Advisory Opinion 2007-22 (Hurysz), 2007 WL 5172375, at *5.

These authorities would support the view that candidate-related opposition research given to a campaign for the purpose of influencing an election could constitute a contribution to which the foreign-source ban could apply. A campaign can be assisted not only by the provision offunds, but also by the provision of derogatory information about an opponent. Political campaigns frequently conduct and pay for opposition research. A foreign entity that engaged in such research and provided resulting information to a campaign could exert a greater effect on an election, and a greater tendency to ingratiate the donor to the candidate, than a gift of money or tangible things of value. At the same time, no judicial decision has treated the voluntary provision of uncompensated opposition research or similar information as a thing of value that could amount to a contribution under campaign-finance law. Such an interpretation could have implications beyond the foreign-source ban, see 52 U.S.C. § 30116(a) (imposing monetary limits on campaign contributions), and raise First Amendment questions. Those questions could be especially difficult where the information consisted simply of the recounting of historically accurate facts. It is uncertain how courts would resolve those issues.





Nothing you're posting here out of the report proves anything, rather it just submits the vague questions that either side can interpret whatever way they want


The key is the last paragraph - especially when it comes to 1A.

Imagine the politicized nitpicking that would ensue.

And by that measure, both the Steele Dossier and the direct involvement on the Clinton campaign with the Ukraine (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446) would be prosecutable.


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I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.



Like I said.....Look at the most delusional and fact-free posting on here. Correlate that with the age of the person who posted it.

Not sure if I can agree with that, because I the than GDaddy, I might be the oldest on on this thread.

The dumbfucks are ignoring that the steel dossier was paid for, and the author was an ally.


So collusion is OK when it's from a supposed ally (in this case, a spy) even when he's using Kremlin (enemy) sources?

It's irrelvant Christopher Steele was British. He's a spook with a political agenda that had been fired by the FBI.

Quit the excuse making.


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Propaganda doesn’t address these second tier questions

These guys are being set up to fall on their heads again

How many times will they go for it?

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I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.



Like I said.....Look at the most delusional and fact-free posting on here. Correlate that with the age of the person who posted it.

Not sure if I can agree with that, because I the than GDaddy, I might be the oldest on on this thread.

The dumbfucks are ignoring that the steel dossier was paid for, and the author was an ally.


So collusion is OK when it's from a supposed ally (in this case, a spy) even when he's using Kremlin (enemy) sources?

It's irrelvant Christopher Steele was British. He's a spook with a political agenda that had been fired by the FBI.

Quit the excuse making.


Cool edit. Now I understand how you think. You edit out the difficult part, even if it was in all caps that the emails were stolen, and hone in on irrelevant conspiracies that Steele had a political agenda.

This must really cause a distorted world view; Ignoring reality, and just making shit up.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?


If they had no value, why did they go to extreme measures to destroy all evidence of them?



If the Russian contacts and meetings are of no import and no value, why are the Trumbies going to such great lengths to cover them up?


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Originally Posted by hal9000
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Originally Posted by Surfdog

So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?


If they had no value, why did they go to extreme measures to destroy all evidence of them?



If the Russian contacts and meetings are of no import and no value, why are the Trumbies going to such great lengths to cover them up?


There would be indictments if they were of import. Trump was not there, so plenty could be indicted, but not. Why?


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There would be indictments if they were of import. Trump was not there, so plenty could be indicted, but not. Why?



There were several convictions, remember?


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I like how GromsDad is still trying to spin the Steele Dossier as only basis for FISA warrants thing.



Like I said.....Look at the most delusional and fact-free posting on here. Correlate that with the age of the person who posted it.

Not sure if I can agree with that, because I the than GDaddy, I might be the oldest on on this thread.

The dumbfucks are ignoring that the steel dossier was paid for, and the author was an ally.


So collusion is OK when it's from a supposed ally (in this case, a spy) even when he's using Kremlin (enemy) sources?

It's irrelvant Christopher Steele was British. He's a spook with a political agenda that had been fired by the FBI.

Quit the excuse making.


Cool edit. Now I understand how you think. You edit out the difficult part, even if it was in all caps that the emails were stolen, and hone in on irrelevant conspiracies that Steele had a political agenda.


Here:

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Trump was given a contribution of STOLEN DOCUMENTS FROM AN ENEMY


A news organization, Wikileaks, released the emails.

The press felt those emails were in the public interest. And they were.

That the emails were advantageous to the Trump campaign is irrelevant - they would have made their way to front page one way or another.

Foreign powers have and will continue to influence our elections in these ways.

It really is a double edged sword, but at the end of the day it's better to know the dirt than not know the dirt.


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Originally Posted by hal9000
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There would be indictments if they were of import. Trump was not there, so plenty could be indicted, but not. Why?



There were several convictions, remember?



Convictions having not one thing to do with Russian collusion. Please name them.

Lying to FBI was about as high a crime they were convicted of, which is bad enough, but more process crimes after the supposed "facts" of the case. Obstructing injustice at the worst.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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There would be indictments if they were of import. Trump was not there, so plenty could be indicted, but not. Why?



There were several convictions, remember?



Convictions having not one thing to do with Russian collusion. Please name them.

Lying to FBI was about as high a crime they were convicted of, which is bad enough, but more process crimes after the supposed "facts" of the case. Obstructing injustice at the worst.

Manafort and Flynn, dumbfvck. Do some reading


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Seriously, it's us you are talking to. You know you are lying. We know you are lying. You aren't fooling anyone, so what is your point?


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Originally Posted by hal9000
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There would be indictments if they were of import. Trump was not there, so plenty could be indicted, but not. Why?



There were several convictions, remember?



Convictions having not one thing to do with Russian collusion. Please name them.

Lying to FBI was about as high a crime they were convicted of, which is bad enough, but more process crimes after the supposed "facts" of the case. Obstructing injustice at the worst.

>>2019/06/12/michael-flynn-lawyer<<


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From the article you just posted, "In December, Sullivan gave Flynn the opportunity to postpone his sentencing hearing to continue his cooperation with the government in a probe of illegal lobbying for the Turkish government that is being conducted out of the Eastern District of Virginia. A joint status report on Flynn’s case from federal prosecutors and his defense team is due Friday."

You kind of forgot about that whole illegal lobbying thing that he lied about, Dumbfvck


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You think he lied about something he did that was legal? You are a special kind of stupid.


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
From the article you just posted, "In December, Sullivan gave Flynn the opportunity to postpone his sentencing hearing to continue his cooperation with the government in a probe of illegal lobbying for the Turkish government that is being conducted out of the Eastern District of Virginia. A joint status report on Flynn’s case from federal prosecutors and his defense team is due Friday."

You kind of forgot about that whole illegal lobbying thing that he lied about, Dumbfvck


What does any of that have to do with Russian collusion. Turkey is not part of Russia, yet.

Like I said, where's the link to 2016 election tampering by Russian collusion?

Now there's that pesky Ukraine issue becoming Russia (again), if Putin gets his way.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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From the article you just posted, "In December, Sullivan gave Flynn the opportunity to postpone his sentencing hearing to continue his cooperation with the government in a probe of illegal lobbying for the Turkish government that is being conducted out of the Eastern District of Virginia. A joint status report on Flynn’s case from federal prosecutors and his defense team is due Friday."

You kind of forgot about that whole illegal lobbying thing that he lied about, Dumbfvck


What does any of that have to do with Russian collusion. Turkey is not part of Russia, yet.

Like I said, where's the link to 2016 election tampering by Russian collusion?

Now there's that pesky Ukraine issue becoming Russia (again), if Putin gets his way.
Fvck you are dense! You are asking the same question for two years now. The fvcking entire intelligence community said Russia was involved. Trump was on t.v asking for their help finding Hillary's emails.

It's nobody else's job, but your own to figure this out. Stop being so stupid. It reflects badly on you and embarrasses your parents who failed at raising you.


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
From the article you just posted, "In December, Sullivan gave Flynn the opportunity to postpone his sentencing hearing to continue his cooperation with the government in a probe of illegal lobbying for the Turkish government that is being conducted out of the Eastern District of Virginia. A joint status report on Flynn’s case from federal prosecutors and his defense team is due Friday."

You kind of forgot about that whole illegal lobbying thing that he lied about, Dumbfvck


What does any of that have to do with Russian collusion. Turkey is not part of Russia, yet.

Like I said, where's the link to 2016 election tampering by Russian collusion?

Now there's that pesky Ukraine issue becoming Russia (again), if Putin gets his way.
Fvck you are dense! You are asking the same question for two years now. The fvcking entire intelligence community said Russia was involved. Trump was on t.v asking for their help finding Hillary's emails.

It's nobody else's job, but your own to figure this out. Stop being so stupid. It reflects badly on you and embarrasses your parents who failed at raising you.


We all know Russia f'd with our social media to influence the gullible sheep of our new age insta-info. They propagandized both sides to stir shit up, as they knew our growing addiction to the little glowing screens and it's instant gratification and confirmation of our biases. They played with those that believe everything on that glowing piece of idiot plastic in their pocket or purse. Idiot box in a pocket.

Did Trump have anything to do with that kind of election manipulation? Mueller found no evidence worthy of further indicting or convicting for it. He indicted a bunch of Russians, like that was going to go anywhere. But all other indictments were not related to the original investigation and just filler because some "Russian" was contacted somewhere, sometime that had nothing to do with election tampering. Many were either previous business dealings or ambassadors. Some may have been set ups.

We'll see where the Dems in Congress get with all this impeachment charade. If they really want to get to the bottom of it, they need to look at the origins of the FBI warrants in summer 2016, months before the election. More than enough evidence that covert spying was ordered for fake info passed thru many hands, and this from high levels of FBI, CIA and DOJ at that time (oversight by who again?). It was a insurance policy in action, that failed to pay off. That wasn't supposed to happen. It was a done deal. Hillary was a shoe-in. Then it was time to cover tracks and frame it as Russian collusion.

Sloppy obstruction of injustice ensued.

It may all end up biting many Dems in the ass when all is said and done (2016 Dems in power positions).

Trump is no saint, by any stretch. A bombastic blow hard more often than not. But the precedent set in this type of "guilty until proven innocent " mindset the MSM and their followers are foaming at the mouth over is a dangerous track for anyone that takes this job in the future.


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Trump was given a contribution of STOLEN DOCUMENTS FROM AN ENEMY


A news organization, Wikileaks, released the emails.

The press felt those emails were in the public interest. And they were.

That the emails were advantageous to the Trump campaign is irrelevant - they would have made their way to front page one way or another.

Foreign powers have and will continue to influence our elections in these ways.

It really is a double edged sword, but at the end of the day it's better to know the dirt than not know the dirt.



I agree with you on this 100%. The emails were not found to be stolen by Wikileaks, they were stolen by GRU and given to Wikileaks. To charge Assange with releasing relevant documents would trample the 1st Amendment. It does not matter who the release favored, as long as there were no coordination between Wikileaks and the campaign for a timed release.

However:

The only way to determine who stole the emails, how Wikileaks received them and if there were any coordination in those releases, was by investigation. That investigation was obstructed on multiple levels. And yes, people went to prison for that.

Originally Posted by Mueller Report

...the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal falsestatements statute. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton .in the form of thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen leaded uilt to makin false statements to Con ress about the Trum Moscow project. REDACTED And in February 2019, the US District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
From the article you just posted, "In December, Sullivan gave Flynn the opportunity to postpone his sentencing hearing to continue his cooperation with the government in a probe of illegal lobbying for the Turkish government that is being conducted out of the Eastern District of Virginia. A joint status report on Flynn’s case from federal prosecutors and his defense team is due Friday."

You kind of forgot about that whole illegal lobbying thing that he lied about, Dumbfvck


What does any of that have to do with Russian collusion. Turkey is not part of Russia, yet.

Like I said, where's the link to 2016 election tampering by Russian collusion?

Now there's that pesky Ukraine issue becoming Russia (again), if Putin gets his way.
Fvck you are dense! You are asking the same question for two years now. The fvcking entire intelligence community said Russia was involved. Trump was on t.v asking for their help finding Hillary's emails.

It's nobody else's job, but your own to figure this out. Stop being so stupid. It reflects badly on you and embarrasses your parents who failed at raising you.


We all know Russia f'd with our social media to influence the gullible sheep of our new age insta-info. They propagandized both sides to stir shit up, as they knew our growing addiction to the little glowing screens and it's instant gratification and confirmation of our biases. They played with those that believe everything on that glowing piece of idiot plastic in their pocket or purse. Idiot box in a pocket.

Did Trump have anything to do with that kind of election manipulation? Mueller found no evidence worthy of further indicting or convicting for it. He indicted a bunch of Russians, like that was going to go anywhere. But all other indictments were not related to the original investigation and just filler because some "Russian" was contacted somewhere, sometime that had nothing to do with election tampering. Many were either previous business dealings or ambassadors. Some may have been set ups.

We'll see where the Dems in Congress get with all this impeachment charade. If they really want to get to the bottom of it, they need to look at the origins of the FBI warrants in summer 2016, months before the election. More than enough evidence that covert spying was ordered for fake info passed thru many hands, and this from high levels of FBI, CIA and DOJ at that time (oversight by who again?). It was a insurance policy in action, that failed to pay off. That wasn't supposed to happen. It was a done deal. Hillary was a shoe-in. Then it was time to cover tracks and frame it as Russian collusion.

Sloppy obstruction of injustice ensued.

It may all end up biting many Dems in the ass when all is said and done (2016 Dems in power positions).

Trump is no saint, by any stretch. A bombastic blow hard more often than not. But the precedent set in this type of "guilty until proven innocent " mindset the MSM and their followers are foaming at the mouth over is a dangerous track for anyone that takes this job in the future.

Good job! You got some stuff right, and still full retard on others.

Here is what you said that was right, "Sloppy obstruction of injustice ensued." That is an impeachable offense. So now you can shut the fvck up with your "Trump did nothing wrong" bullshit. It is retarded and annoying.

Now here is where you are still stupid. The subject of "collusion." tRump did collude with the Russians. He asked them for illegally obtained materials. Collusion, however is not a crime. Conspiracy is a crime. If tRump had anything to do with the planning beforehand, that would be conspiracy. Instead, he got on his knees and begged for the emails.

Now here is where you are disgusting. You admit he obstructed justice. Hopefully you are smart enough to see he did collude, but not conspired with Russia. Yet you still support his presidency. You wrote, "They played with those that believe everything on that glowing piece of idiot plastic in their pocket or purse. Idiot box in a pocket." Yet by your daily bullshit, you try to do the same.

Stop being an asshole.


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Very well said Surfdog.

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Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by casa_mugrienta


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Trump was given a contribution of STOLEN DOCUMENTS FROM AN ENEMY


A news organization, Wikileaks, released the emails.

The press felt those emails were in the public interest. And they were.

That the emails were advantageous to the Trump campaign is irrelevant - they would have made their way to front page one way or another.

Foreign powers have and will continue to influence our elections in these ways.

It really is a double edged sword, but at the end of the day it's better to know the dirt than not know the dirt.



I agree with you on this 100%. The emails were not found to be stolen by Wikileaks, they were stolen by GRU and given to Wikileaks. To charge Assange with releasing relevant documents would trample the 1st Amendment. It does not matter who the release favored, as long as there were no coordination between Wikileaks and the campaign for a timed release.

However:

The only way to determine who stole the emails, how Wikileaks received them and if there were any coordination in those releases, was by investigation. That investigation was obstructed on multiple levels. And yes, people went to prison for that.

Originally Posted by Mueller Report

...the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as violations of the federal falsestatements statute. Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton .in the form of thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen leaded uilt to makin false statements to Con ress about the Trum Moscow project. REDACTED And in February 2019, the US District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for Ukraine.


That was very well said, Phi1


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?


If they had no value, why did they go to extreme measures to destroy all evidence of them?


I was joking about the "no value" part, that was a dig at ifallalot that campaign contributions with respect to things of value are not limited to cash.

Also, I think you're getting the Hillary email scandals mixed up. She had a private server at her home before and during her time as Sec. State which she ordered destroyed.

https://medium.com/@kfrydl/hillary-clintons-private-email-server-4e799a298eaf

The hacked emails released by Wikileaks were of DNC and DCCC servers.

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There is nothing that POTUS could say or do that you brainwashed dickbags wouldn’t tie yourself in knots to justify. It’s really pretty fascinating.

That sums things up well. Will the Trumtards ever wake up and admit they done been conned?

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Originally Posted by Phi1
Originally Posted by Surfdog
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Originally Posted by Surfdog

So, Dems don't think Hillary had ANYTHING to do with how the DNC operated during the 2016 election campaign and railroading of Bernie?

Keep those blinders on tight.


Bernie lost, get over it. Am I doing this right?

Also note, the only way the general public found out about the railroading of Larry David was through the release of hacked documents from DNC servers, which as we all know had no value whatsoever. Right?


If they had no value, why did they go to extreme measures to destroy all evidence of them?


I was joking about the "no value" part, that was a dig at ifallalot that campaign contributions with respect to things of value are not limited to cash.

Also, I think you're getting the Hillary email scandals mixed up. She had a private server at her home before and during her time as Sec. State which she ordered destroyed.

https://medium.com/@kfrydl/hillary-clintons-private-email-server-4e799a298eaf

The hacked emails released by Wikileaks were of DNC and DCCC servers.



Yeah, I know. I was directing that at Surfdog.


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Hmm, a lifelong DNC swamp creature that's been sitting on a post that had its actual term end 12 years ago throwing in her two cents about someone she's obviously opposed to

Yeah, that's a "expert" to listen to!


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Hmm, a lifelong DNC swamp creature that's been sitting on a post that had its actual term end 12 years ago throwing in her two cents about someone she's obviously opposed to

Yeah, that's a "expert" to listen to!



Attacks the person not the factual basis of the statement. I wish there was a word or phrase for this.


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Hmm, a lifelong DNC swamp creature that's been sitting on a post that had its actual term end 12 years ago throwing in her two cents about someone she's obviously opposed to

Yeah, that's a "expert" to listen to!



Attacks the person not the factual basis of the statement. I wish there was a word or phrase for this.

A lawyer's interpretation of a stated law is not fact, there's a word for it even....


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Originally Posted by ifallalot
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Originally Posted by ifallalot
Hmm, a lifelong DNC swamp creature that's been sitting on a post that had its actual term end 12 years ago throwing in her two cents about someone she's obviously opposed to

Yeah, that's a "expert" to listen to!



Attacks the person not the factual basis of the statement. I wish there was a word or phrase for this.

A lawyer's interpretation of a stated law is not fact, there's a word for it even....

The word is judgement. Try it sometime


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I'll just leave this here.





I thought this was written a few years ago during Clinton, Bush II and Obama admins?


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
Originally Posted by Surfdog
Originally Posted by everysurfr
From the article you just posted, "In December, Sullivan gave Flynn the opportunity to postpone his sentencing hearing to continue his cooperation with the government in a probe of illegal lobbying for the Turkish government that is being conducted out of the Eastern District of Virginia. A joint status report on Flynn’s case from federal prosecutors and his defense team is due Friday."

You kind of forgot about that whole illegal lobbying thing that he lied about, Dumbfvck


What does any of that have to do with Russian collusion. Turkey is not part of Russia, yet.

Like I said, where's the link to 2016 election tampering by Russian collusion?

Now there's that pesky Ukraine issue becoming Russia (again), if Putin gets his way.
Fvck you are dense! You are asking the same question for two years now. The fvcking entire intelligence community said Russia was involved. Trump was on t.v asking for their help finding Hillary's emails.

It's nobody else's job, but your own to figure this out. Stop being so stupid. It reflects badly on you and embarrasses your parents who failed at raising you.


We all know Russia f'd with our social media to influence the gullible sheep of our new age insta-info. They propagandized both sides to stir shit up, as they knew our growing addiction to the little glowing screens and it's instant gratification and confirmation of our biases. They played with those that believe everything on that glowing piece of idiot plastic in their pocket or purse. Idiot box in a pocket.

Did Trump have anything to do with that kind of election manipulation? Mueller found no evidence worthy of further indicting or convicting for it. He indicted a bunch of Russians, like that was going to go anywhere. But all other indictments were not related to the original investigation and just filler because some "Russian" was contacted somewhere, sometime that had nothing to do with election tampering. Many were either previous business dealings or ambassadors. Some may have been set ups.

We'll see where the Dems in Congress get with all this impeachment charade. If they really want to get to the bottom of it, they need to look at the origins of the FBI warrants in summer 2016, months before the election. More than enough evidence that covert spying was ordered for fake info passed thru many hands, and this from high levels of FBI, CIA and DOJ at that time (oversight by who again?). It was a insurance policy in action, that failed to pay off. That wasn't supposed to happen. It was a done deal. Hillary was a shoe-in. Then it was time to cover tracks and frame it as Russian collusion.

Sloppy obstruction of injustice ensued.

It may all end up biting many Dems in the ass when all is said and done (2016 Dems in power positions).

Trump is no saint, by any stretch. A bombastic blow hard more often than not. But the precedent set in this type of "guilty until proven innocent " mindset the MSM and their followers are foaming at the mouth over is a dangerous track for anyone that takes this job in the future.

Good job! You got some stuff right, and still full retard on others.

Here is what you said that was right, "Sloppy obstruction of injustice ensued." That is an impeachable offense. So now you can shut the fvck up with your "Trump did nothing wrong" bullshit. It is retarded and annoying.

Now here is where you are still stupid. The subject of "collusion." tRump did collude with the Russians. He asked them for illegally obtained materials. Collusion, however is not a crime. Conspiracy is a crime. If tRump had anything to do with the planning beforehand, that would be conspiracy. Instead, he got on his knees and begged for the emails.

Now here is where you are disgusting. You admit he obstructed justice. Hopefully you are smart enough to see he did collude, but not conspired with Russia. Yet you still support his presidency. You wrote, "They played with those that believe everything on that glowing piece of idiot plastic in their pocket or purse. Idiot box in a pocket." Yet by your daily bullshit, you try to do the same.

Stop being an asshole.


How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?


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How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?

By calling it out ever time I see it, no matter which side caused it. Then by building a consensus to act against it. I spoke loudly against Hillary and her foundation. I speak just as loudly against tRump and his.

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The solution is to impeach tRump now, so a centrist like Kaisich has time to build a campaign to take out Biden or Warren. But you and yours dance around giddy like schoolgirls that you get to antagonize centrists like me. That is totally fvcking childish. Grow the fvck up.

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I'll just leave this here.





I thought this was written a few years ago during Clinton, Bush II and Obama admins?


Does this mean they will be aggressively prosecuting the Clinton folks for doing EXACTLY that in 2016?


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How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?

By calling it out ever time I see it, no matter which side caused it. Then by building a consensus to act against it. I spoke loudly against Hillary and her foundation. I speak just as loudly against tRump and his.

The biggest way that we differ is you side with one evil side against another. I stand against both evil sides to make way for a solution. You and yours stand in the way.

The solution is to impeach tRump now, so a centrist like Kaisich has time to build a campaign to take out Biden or Warren. But you and yours dance around giddy like schoolgirls that you get to antagonize centrists like me. That is totally fvcking childish. Grow the fvck up.


Bullshit. 95% of the time you're going after one side only.


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The DOJ is obviously free to bring indictments.


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Originally Posted by hal9000
The DOJ is obviously free to bring indictments.


I'd love to see your reaction to people in the Clinton camp being marched off to prison. I hope we get to see that.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
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How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?

By calling it out ever time I see it, no matter which side caused it. Then by building a consensus to act against it. I spoke loudly against Hillary and her foundation. I speak just as loudly against tRump and his.

The biggest way that we differ is you side with one evil side against another. I stand against both evil sides to make way for a solution. You and yours stand in the way.

The solution is to impeach tRump now, so a centrist like Kaisich has time to build a campaign to take out Biden or Warren. But you and yours dance around giddy like schoolgirls that you get to antagonize centrists like me. That is totally fvcking childish. Grow the fvck up.


Bullshit. 95% of the time you're going after one side only.

Trump is the danger today. I wasn't posting here long ago. Those who know me know my views.

Nothing Hillary ever did compares with tRump giving the Saudis nuclear secrets in exchange for real estate loans.


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the problem with the rhetorical question you pose, casa, is as follows:

they didn't pay a "foreign agent"....steele was a private citizen when employed.

I'm not sure if that was an accident or if you are purposely trying to mislead.

contrast that with the Trump Tower meeting which was initiated and attended
by actual agents of a foreign government and for which the premise was the
provenance of official state intelligence:

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Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.



second, there are different motivations in play here.

the DNC paid Fusion to do a job where a private citizen employed their network
of contacts to research existing claims of ties between the Kremlin and Trump.

Trump accepted unsolicited assistance from a foreign government to glean
intelligence which we now known to have been stolen.


I understand the spirit of your question, but this is yet another one of your poorly
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Originally Posted by afoaf
the problem with the rhetorical question you pose, casa, is as follows:

they didn't pay a "foreign agent"....steele was a private citizen when employed.

I'm not sure if that was an accident or if you are purposely trying to mislead.

contrast that with the Trump Tower meeting which was initiated and attended
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provenance of official state intelligence:

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Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.



second, there are different motivations in play here.

the DNC paid Fusion to do a job where a private citizen employed their network
of contacts to research existing claims of ties between the Kremlin and Trump.

Trump accepted unsolicited assistance from a foreign government to glean
intelligence which we now known to have been stolen.


I understand the spirit of your question, but this is yet another one of your poorly
conceived comparisons.


Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


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The DOJ is obviously free to bring indictments.


I'd love to see your reaction to people in the Clinton camp being marched off to prison. I hope we get to see that.



Bring the evidence.


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How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?

By calling it out ever time I see it, no matter which side caused it. Then by building a consensus to act against it. I spoke loudly against Hillary and her foundation. I speak just as loudly against tRump and his.

The biggest way that we differ is you side with one evil side against another. I stand against both evil sides to make way for a solution. You and yours stand in the way.

The solution is to impeach tRump now, so a centrist like Kaisich has time to build a campaign to take out Biden or Warren. But you and yours dance around giddy like schoolgirls that you get to antagonize centrists like me. That is totally fvcking childish. Grow the fvck up.


Bullshit. 95% of the time you're going after one side only.

You must have missed several threads I joined in on the subject of pro life, and also my positions on immigration and illegal alien workers


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Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


Trump = Steele?

Do you even metaphor bro?


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
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How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?

By calling it out ever time I see it, no matter which side caused it. Then by building a consensus to act against it. I spoke loudly against Hillary and her foundation. I speak just as loudly against tRump and his.

The biggest way that we differ is you side with one evil side against another. I stand against both evil sides to make way for a solution. You and yours stand in the way.

The solution is to impeach tRump now, so a centrist like Kaisich has time to build a campaign to take out Biden or Warren. But you and yours dance around giddy like schoolgirls that you get to antagonize centrists like me. That is totally fvcking childish. Grow the fvck up.


Bullshit. 95% of the time you're going after one side only.
Are you being intentionally ironic?


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
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How do you defend yourself from injustice? Do you just roll-over and take it up the ass?

By calling it out ever time I see it, no matter which side caused it. Then by building a consensus to act against it. I spoke loudly against Hillary and her foundation. I speak just as loudly against tRump and his.

The biggest way that we differ is you side with one evil side against another. I stand against both evil sides to make way for a solution. You and yours stand in the way.

The solution is to impeach tRump now, so a centrist like Kaisich has time to build a campaign to take out Biden or Warren. But you and yours dance around giddy like schoolgirls that you get to antagonize centrists like me. That is totally fvcking childish. Grow the fvck up.


Bullshit. 95% of the time you're going after one side only.

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Originally Posted by Autoprax
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Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


Trump = Steele?

Do you even metaphor bro?


Not sure how you got Trump = Steele out my comment?

More like Trump = Fusion or DNC in their oppo research.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


Trump = Steele?

Do you even metaphor bro?


Not sure how you got Trump = Steele out my comment?

More like Trump = Fusion or DNC in their oppo research.


We've already had this discussion this morning. Trump=sloppy obstruction of justice= criminal. Just stay with the simple facts you can understand. Use that as a starting point to build your world view. No more "What about" . Just stick with what we already confirmed to be true.


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Originally Posted by everysurfr
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Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


Trump = Steele?

Do you even metaphor bro?


Not sure how you got Trump = Steele out my comment?

More like Trump = Fusion or DNC in their oppo research.


We've already had this discussion this morning. Trump=sloppy obstruction of justice= criminal. Just stay with the simple facts you can understand. Use that as a starting point to build your world view. No more "What about" . Just stick with what we already confirmed to be true.


If you're going to quote me, quote me right.

Obstruction of injustice. And I'll add by political weaponization of injustice.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


Trump = Steele?

Do you even metaphor bro?


Not sure how you got Trump = Steele out my comment?

More like Trump = Fusion or DNC in their oppo research.


We've already had this discussion this morning. Trump=sloppy obstruction of justice= criminal. Just stay with the simple facts you can understand. Use that as a starting point to build your world view. No more "What about" . Just stick with what we already confirmed to be true.


If you're going to quote me, quote me right.

Obstruction of injustice. And I'll add by political weaponization of injustice.

Sadly, your moment of clarity has passed. And once again, everyone here with the exception of you clique of four, thinks you are stupid.


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Originally Posted by Surfdog
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Originally Posted by Surfdog


Trump was a private citizen at the time also, right?


Trump = Steele?

Do you even metaphor bro?


Not sure how you got Trump = Steele out my comment?

More like Trump = Fusion or DNC in their oppo research.




the issue you raise is not relevant

both the DNC and the Trump campaign are effectively NGOs

the issue at hand is that one is accepting support that is overtly being
supplied by a hostile foreign government while the other hired a firm
who subcontracted to a private party to develop opposition research
vis a vis his network of contacts.

some of those contacts potentially also held positions in government in
other countries, including Russia, but they were clearly not collaborating
with steele as part of a top level directive to influence the US election in
furtherance of their national interests.

if anything, any government officials in Russia that may have worked
with Steele did so at great peril.....look at the multiple mysterious deaths
that occurred when this thing started to emerge in the public domain.

https://www.google.com/search?q=strange+deaths+steele+dossier


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