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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966607
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I've found what Greg is stating to be one of the biggest deciding factors for me clicking with a board or not. Granted, my realization came from a long road of ordering, riding and eventually figuring out design enough to become my strong preference.
My default when discussing with a new, to me, shaper is ordering a size that feels right and conversation about pinching or tucking rails. I dont tend to go to shapes or shapers that have generously round rails.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: crotchgrab] #2966670
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Originally Posted by crotchgrab
I've found what Greg is stating to be one of the biggest deciding factors for me clicking with a board or not. Granted, my realization came from a long road of ordering, riding and eventually figuring out design enough to become my strong preference.
My default when discussing with a new, to me, shaper is ordering a size that feels right and conversation about pinching or tucking rails. I dont tend to go to shapes or shapers that have generously round rails.


A quick run on a Pyzalien might surprise you.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Maz] #2966694
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Jon's go from large round to small box edge , reducing contact surface .

It would be fun hearing what shapers say about the flow thru the rail shape .

It was developed and proven in Single fin days , no side fin required .

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Maz] #2966697
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Originally Posted by Maz
Originally Posted by crotchgrab
I've found what Greg is stating to be one of the biggest deciding factors for me clicking with a board or not. Granted, my realization came from a long road of ordering, riding and eventually figuring out design enough to become my strong preference.
My default when discussing with a new, to me, shaper is ordering a size that feels right and conversation about pinching or tucking rails. I dont tend to go to shapes or shapers that have generously round rails.


A quick run on a Pyzalien might surprise you.

His Pyzalien is that different from a lot of his other shapes?...interesting. I'd have to check one out in person and see how everything came together.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: crotchgrab] #2966699
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Yep, Pyzalien has an almost flat deck and very chunky rail. Quite high apex. Very very different from the Ghost.

My Ghost is 34L, Pyzalien 32L. The latter feels more buoyant, and not just under your arm. Eyeing it up, with its chunky rails and wide tail, you wouldn't think it had such a generous top end, but it does.

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2966722
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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Greg Griffin] #2966823
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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


I'm pretty sure this is also true wink smile :

I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better

On the next order (even in the same design) with slight changes like decreasing length or thickness slightly the board started to click and was magic. Best board ever they said, will order more.

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Of course most of those go to lower volume success stories involve LBs, FBs, and fishes. Every now and then you get to blow someones mind by taking them down an few inches in length with a little less volume. And every now and then you get that next order without someone writting the shaper or model off. 1" in length shorter might take you down .5L while making a world of difference. So can changing rail contour. This is where the review stuff can be so arbitrary, one man wrong is another man right.

Get dialed or roll dice on rack boards/new models? Many have fun either way and enjoy it.

I'm having fun.

Are you?

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: surfwhere] #2966894
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Originally Posted by surfwhere
Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


I'm pretty sure this is also true wink smile :

I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better

On the next order (even in the same design) with slight changes like decreasing length or thickness slightly the board started to click and was magic. Best board ever they said, will order more.

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Of course most of those go to lower volume success stories involve LBs, FBs, and fishes. Every now and then you get to blow someones mind by taking them down an few inches in length with a little less volume. And every now and then you get that next order without someone writting the shaper or model off. 1" in length shorter might take you down .5L while making a world of difference. So can changing rail contour. This is where the review stuff can be so arbitrary, one man wrong is another man right.

Get dialed or roll dice on rack boards/new models? Many have fun either way and enjoy it.

I'm having fun.

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Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: surfwhere] #2966994
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"I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better"



Or was it GWS :-)

Who pushed the buttons !

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2967267
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From your perspective

K.I.S.S. is how I roll if I were to push a button, crashed a CNC lathe once doing programming, $10,000 mistake, I learned

Not the nitty gritty, label makers are science geeks that many don't know, PHDs, most I met

if you ask too much and it will go overhead

You play nice with everyone but even still

GWS knows how to push your buttons. wink

You da man GG!

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: ChaseTMP] #2967269
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I've been "Diddling" with design since 1967

Its been a fun and sometimes humorous ride .

We now have "Internet Influencers" in the game

Swaying public opinion at a cost to others , without knowing anything about board design .

Re: Medina's board's volume [Re: Greg Griffin] #2967272
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Look at the bottom photo tail - that is a lot of area.

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Notice the area is reducing in width from wide point .

+ 10

Little more from the wide point would make this lower rocker design even better .

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