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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: frvcvs] #2965360
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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: frvcvs] #2965368
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Originally Posted by frvcvs
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Good long read, couldn’t decide if I should post in the Crowder or the Woman Hater thread. But it has iFalls descent written all over it...

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/08/technology/youtube-radical.html?mtrref=t.co


roflmao

Holy shit, you're making accusations of brainwashing while posting dreck like this?

roflmao roflmao



My views here have been largely consistent. You’re the one who made a radical flip when it comes to politicals. Here’s an idea, download your YouTube viewing history like subject of the article in my OP and prove me wrong and I’ll happily eat crow. I won’t be holding my breath.


If that was possible, you would be eating not only crow, but a raven. You've Fecalized a narrative about me in your head that's very far from the truth

I always had strong lassiez-faire attitudes. In high school, I thought the Robber Barons were completely right in how they ran things for example. It was really the anti-war, anti-Bush movement that had me go lefty for so long, even past the point where I was thinking people on here on the conservative side were making more sense but still arguing against them because of what I thought was right due to the way they Left makes you think you're being more morally correct because you're being nice. It was finally around the rise of the SJW when I said fook this shit and let my freak flag fly to the horror of all of you lefties, something nearly 5 years later that you can't quite get over.

I've never been a Youtube fan. Maybe for some quick laughs but not to the point where you're all thinking that people are being indoctrinated with "incorrect" views. I don't even know why I'm defending myself, and repeating myself for the umpteenth time but here it is.

This is such an obvious NYT hit-piece on "incorrect" views and justifying why Youtube the company is justified in silencing speech that the Left deems inappropriate. Like GDaddy said this week "The authoritarians need people they disagree with to STFU. Why? Because they are incapable of preventing the spread of these ideas without the carefully curated safe space." this article is a perfect example of justifying the silencing.


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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: ifallalot] #2965384
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I don’t have a login. What are these “incorrect views” that the times made a hit piece for?

Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: manbearpig] #2965390
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Originally Posted by manbearpig
I don’t have a login. What are these “incorrect views” that the times made a hit piece for?


It’s basically talking about the YouTube algorithms and how they’re designed to keep you watching for more ad revenue by feeding you crazier shit and how far right/alt right/nazis learned to exploit this and capitalize off of it. It’s a case study of how a user got dragged down the rabbit hole including documentation of his viewing habits.


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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: frvcvs] #2965392
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Weird. Normally the NPC’s on the right screech over that algorithm. Now if it’s addressed it’s censoring “incorrect” views?

Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: manbearpig] #2965410
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Fascinating how the alt-right stuff has drifted onto this bulletin board (discussion site, whatever). Guys like casa and ifall and wheelhouse mull it over and deposit it on these pages.

Gromsdad is not the same. He’s more of a NRA and Facebook (and maybe some right wing radio) guy.

The liberals here are varied. I’d bet most of their talking points come from the NYT and the Wash Post. The internet does also inform their views, but skepticism and their requirements for evidence keeps them from ever pronouncing any policies as completely right or wrong.

The alt-right movement is a religion. The truths are contained within the belief system. There is no consideration for actual evidence. Any source of evidence that contradicts the religion is discredited.


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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: frvcvs] #2965414
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Is motivated reasoning something you try to manage with a sense of fair mindedness or is it your coping strategy for negotiating the world?

I trip on how people won't consider evidence that challenges their views.


A threat response is a potent trigger for motivated reasoning.

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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: 1whoknows] #2965416
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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Weird. Normally the NPC’s on the right screech over that algorithm. Now if it’s addressed it’s censoring “incorrect” views?

Way to completely miss the boat.

Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Fascinating how the alt-right stuff has drifted onto this bulletin board (discussion site, whatever). Guys like casa and ifall and wheelhouse mull it over and deposit it on these pages.

Gromsdad is not the same. He’s more of a NRA and Facebook (and maybe some right wing radio) guy.

The liberals here are varied. I’d bet most of their talking points come from the NYT and the Wash Post. The internet does also inform their views, but skepticism and their requirements for evidence keeps them from ever pronouncing any policies as completely right or wrong.

The alt-right movement is a religion. The truths are contained within the belief system. There is no consideration for actual evidence. Any source of evidence that contradicts the religion is discredited.

Holy shit. Get help. Soon


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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: grapedrink] #2965419
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Mr. Cain, 26, recently swore off the alt-right nearly five years after discovering it, and has become a vocal critic of the movement. He is scarred by his experience of being radicalized by what he calls a “decentralized cult” of far-right YouTube personalities, who convinced him that Western civilization was under threat from Muslim immigrants and cultural Marxists, that innate I.Q. differences explained racial disparities, and that feminism was a dangerous ideology.



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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: manbearpig] #2965421
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Originally Posted by manbearpig
I don’t have a login. What are these “incorrect views” that the times made a hit piece for?

The algorithm creates rabbit holes of "correct views," music, video games, etc. The NYT only thinks said rabbit holes are nefarious when it creates people who disagree with their accepted narrative. That's why the "alt-right" was used as an example here


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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: ifallalot] #2965425
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Seems to me the algorithm can send one down multiple rabbit holes, including those you are claiming as “incorrect”.

For instance, my YouTube has many rabbit holes; consisting of what you are playing the victim card for as well as some non politically relevant stuff.

You’re creating a fake outrage narrative in your head and playing the victim card hard. It’s precisely that algorithm that can take you down a plethora of rabbit holes that the people are questioning because it does in fact radicalize people on both ends of the political spectrum; as well as beyond our political sphere.

But I don’t expect someone who doesn’t think there’s a difference in information now vs pre digital age to understand this.

Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: Autoprax] #2965428
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Originally Posted by Autoprax
I trip on how people won't consider evidence that challenges their views.


There's a name for that....and I whole heartedly agree...it's a trip.
Maybe they need to sit on a jury....where you have to consider all the evidence...

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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: frvcvs] #2965430
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My YouTube rabbit hole is usually a combo of old 80’s-90’s New York Hardcore videos, snowboarding/mountain biking and surfing vids. The only VLOGs I’ve ever watched were ones linked here by those claiming not to get their politics from YouTube. I’ve never watched an entire Rogan VLOG and never heard of Crowder, Mark Dice, etc till I learned of them here from other posters. I was familiar with McGinness from his vice days.


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Re: Nytimes: The Making of a YouTube Radical [Re: frvcvs] #2965432
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I actually liked McGinnes for awhile. But he turned into such a whiny red faced brat and admitted to not having a clue what he was talking about that i realized he’s just another fake outrage culture opportunist.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig
I actually liked McGinnes for awhile. But he turned into such a whiny red faced brat and admitted to not having a clue what he was talking about that i realized he’s just another fake outrage culture opportunist.

I agree with you here

Originally Posted by manbearpig
Seems to me the algorithm can send one down multiple rabbit holes, including those you are claiming as “incorrect”.

For instance, my YouTube has many rabbit holes; consisting of what you are playing the victim card for as well as some non politically relevant stuff.

You’re creating a fake outrage narrative in your head and playing the victim card hard. It’s precisely that algorithm that can take you down a plethora of rabbit holes that the people are questioning because it does in fact radicalize people on both ends of the political spectrum; as well as beyond our political sphere.

But I don’t expect someone who doesn’t think there’s a difference in information now vs pre digital age to understand this.

So you're agreeing with me on the algorithm front.

However, you're missing the point of why the NYT would use this particular rabbit hole as one that's nefarious. You and I know that it has the opportunity to radicalize people on any subject, but the NYT doesn't balance their coverage by using multiple examples, just the one that goes exactly contrary to their overarching narrative. Weird, huh?

And it was just as easy for people to get radicalized in the pre-digital age with books, pamphlets, meetings, etc. I guess you've never studied anything about anarchists and communists around the turn of the century until the 60s. You're so set in your theories about the Digital Age that you refuse to even consider the history. You'd also be keen to remember that I've separated eras between pre-Information and the Information Age

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