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Has anyone felt up one of Gabriel's boards? I always hear during the WSL webcasts how much more volume his boards have compared to other pros that are around his height and weight, but everything I've seen puts them between 28-29 which is pretty standard.

JJF's boards are between 29.5 -29.7L and he's only about five pounds heavier. I'm curious since it just seems like Gabriel's boards ride noticeably higher on the water than most everyone else's. Maybe the thickness is carried out to the rail more?

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I've seen them at the Rip Curl house. They are boats. The numbers that are listed on it aren't right. The numbers that Cabianca shares aren't either.

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Lower = enough rocker + very shallow concaves leaving curve and something to plane on .

Plane instantly and higher on that surface .

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I've seen them at the Rip Curl house. They are boats. The numbers that are listed on it aren't right. The numbers that Cabianca shares aren't either.


Interesting, yeah they look more like Jordy's boards (32ishL) but an inch or two shorter.

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He paints all his rails black for a reason, to make them look less fishy. They are pretty fishy outlines and low entry rocker. Bottom is slight concave, but barely noticeable like Greg said. I've always wanted to order one from Cabianca, but shipping is just not an option.

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Yeah, I looked at getting a board from Cabianca and also a La Loca from Axel Lorentz (Pukas), but shipping just makes it a no-go. I go to Porto Portugal for work occasionally, now that the airlines are lowering board bag costs, I may grab one.

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I've felt 'em up.
They are chunk.

Not fishy outlines at all though, just flattish rocker and plenty of even vol. distribution.


Makes me laugh watching guys with a tenth the ability flailing around on low volumed boards ala the Tomo thread below and then seeing Medina surf in person with so much power and flair and zero flap in his surfing.

It's become a kind of inverse dick measuring comp now amongst a certain type of surfer.

Meanwhile Gabe, JJF, Jordy etc etc have got decent volume and are blowing the back out of it.


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Originally Posted by freeride76
I've felt 'em up.
They are chunk.

Not fishy outlines at all though, just flattish rocker and plenty of even vol. distribution.


Makes me laugh watching guys with a tenth the ability flailing around on low volumed boards ala the Tomo thread below and then seeing Medina surf in person with so much power and flair and zero flap in his surfing.

It's become a kind of inverse dick measuring comp now amongst a certain type of surfer.

Meanwhile Gabe, JJF, Jordy etc etc have got decent volume and are blowing the back out of it.


What do reckon he's on, volume wise?

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not exactly sure but north of 30 for sure.


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Originally Posted by freeride76
not exactly sure but north of 30 for sure.


Sounds reasonable.

His boards look bloody good. Would love to check one out first hand.

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not exactly sure but north of 30 for sure.


Sounds reasonable.

His boards look bloody good. Would love to check one out first hand.


Ditto. His equip always looks dialed no matter the conditions.

WSL site has him @ 5'11" and 169lbs. which sounds a little dated. I reckon he's a bit heavier than that now, more like 180?

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The ones I saw looked pretty fishy, definitely not like other HP WCT boards.

They all said 6'1 but I'm 6'1 and they weren't 6'1. At least 30 liters if I had to guess. Coulda been his grovelers, I don't know.

Didn't spend a lot of time checking them out, didn't want other Hawaiians to see me feeling up Brazo sleds.

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Last year on gutless waist to chest high day Gabbie and his entourage showed up where me and my kids were surfing. What stood out to me was how early he was into these guttless waves and the speed he was getting right out of the gate when the wave hadn't even really begun to break yet.
Clearly he had a lot of volume in his board to be doing the things he was doing in the conditions he was surfing. Other things that stood out is how stoked he was to surf garbage conditions, that he like us avoided the crowd at the next peak North and how friendly he was with my kids.


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Personally I think everyone is on too small of equipment, especially watching Slater. I am 5'8' 165 and my Hpsp is 30L and my fish is 34L don't see the benefit of going smaller, granted I am far from a pro level surfer.

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The only guy that rides the correct volume is Craig from Compare Surfboards. I thought we had already established that.


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Originally Posted by GromsDad
Last year on gutless waist to chest high day Gabbie and his entourage showed up where me and my kids were surfing. What stood out to me was how early he was into these guttless waves and the speed he was getting right out of the gate when the wave hadn't even really begun to break yet.
Clearly he had a lot of volume in his board to be doing the things he was doing in the conditions he was surfing. Other things that stood out is how stoked he was to surf garbage conditions, that he like us avoided the crowd at the next peak North and how friendly he was with my kids.


I've encountered a few pros who are just like that: super cool, gracious, and just have this intense love of surfing that we mere mortals cannot comprehend. It's great seeing someone who is so gifted and locked into a thing. It's also good to see someone riding a board with volume.


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Originally Posted by ChaseTMP
Yeah, I looked at getting a board from Cabianca and also a La Loca from Axel Lorentz (Pukas), but shipping just makes it a no-go. I go to Porto Portugal for work occasionally, now that the airlines are lowering board bag costs, I may grab one.


If you ever are getting one from Johny C. I would like get one too.

Gabe's boards look epic

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Didn't spend a lot of time checking them out, didn't want other Hawaiians to see me feeling up Brazo sleds.


Hawaii is so weird.


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Originally Posted by retodd
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Yeah, I looked at getting a board from Cabianca and also a La Loca from Axel Lorentz (Pukas), but shipping just makes it a no-go. I go to Porto Portugal for work occasionally, now that the airlines are lowering board bag costs, I may grab one.


If you ever are getting one from Johny C. I would like get one too.

Gabe's boards look epic


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Felt one up in a shop in portgual. Definitely chunky. I ride 30 L shortboards and it felt around there or possibly a little more. They also had one of fannings - which i believe was sub-25 L. Pretty interesting contrast.

Shipping actually doesn't seem that crazy from Europe. If you go on the basque surf country website they provide rates. by my calcs - about $700 landed in US? (You subtract 21% from price for euro taxes).

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Gabby doesn’t have the typical Brazilian surfer stature either. He’s built quite a bit different than the Californians, too.

If you can sink the rail, why go thinner. Doesn’t seem he needs the sensitivity to get it on rail at speed.

Would be interesting to see him on a chip. Maybe bog city.

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Originally Posted by daave
Felt one up in a shop in portgual. Definitely chunky. I ride 30 L shortboards and it felt around there or possibly a little more. They also had one of fannings - which i believe was sub-25 L. Pretty interesting contrast.

Shipping actually doesn't seem that crazy from Europe. If you go on the basque surf country website they provide rates. by my calcs - about $700 landed in US? (You subtract 21% from price for euro taxes).


I wasn't aware of the 21% tax rebate, is that for larger ticket items? I was calculating around $850 shipped ( €620 for a PU and €130 shipping).

jkb and retodd, Porto to Zarautz is a haul (7 hours), so I don't see myself making that drive to grab boards from Cabianca. I'm usually in Porto only for a 3 nights and stuck in meetings the majority of the time.

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"If you can sink the rail,"


You don't want to "Sink" the rail

You want it to plane and stay connected thru its design - not smashing it with you weight

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Originally Posted by ChaseTMP
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Felt one up in a shop in portgual. Definitely chunky. I ride 30 L shortboards and it felt around there or possibly a little more. They also had one of fannings - which i believe was sub-25 L. Pretty interesting contrast.

Shipping actually doesn't seem that crazy from Europe. If you go on the basque surf country website they provide rates. by my calcs - about $700 landed in US? (You subtract 21% from price for euro taxes).


I wasn't aware of the 21% tax rebate, is that for larger ticket items? I was calculating around $850 shipped ( €620 for a PU and €130 shipping).

jkb and retodd, Porto to Zarautz is a haul (7 hours), so I don't see myself making that drive to grab boards from Cabianca. I'm usually in Porto only for a 3 nights and stuck in meetings the majority of the time.


No worries.

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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
"If you can sink the rail,"
You don't want to "Sink" the rail
You want it to plane and stay connected thru its design - not smashing it with you weight


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I don’t think so. Your semantics would be pretty advanced stuff for a non native English speaker to pick up.

If anything he’d smile and say “yes, I like the board when i try to go and it does, fast” or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
"If you can sink the rail,"


You don't want to "Sink" the rail

You want it to plane and stay connected thru its design - not smashing it with you weight






Wording aside, there's still such a thing as having too much volume in the rail, yes?

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Originally Posted by bird.
Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
"If you can sink the rail,"


You don't want to "Sink" the rail

You want it to plane and stay connected thru its design - not smashing it with you weight






Wording aside, there's still such a thing as having too much volume in the rail, yes?


There absolutely is such a thing and I think the wording was fine since we all understood what sd_101 meant.

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This concept and term " sinking" the rail has been marketed Way too far

It doesn't matter what I explain - Have fun believing in this .

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I heard from a little fish that he puts his trac pad 11/16 above the front fins for the ultimate tight shredz broz. Thank me later. hat


you can act like you don't want to rip, but deep down we know you loathe your funshape

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wtf all this talk about if u can stink the rail and chit da fk


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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
This concept and term " sinking" the rail has been marketed Way too far

It doesn't matter what I explain - Have fun believing in this .


I have never in my life heard of any surfboard company use “sink the rail” as a marketing term.


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Originally Posted by Duffy
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This concept and term " sinking" the rail has been marketed Way too far

It doesn't matter what I explain - Have fun believing in this .


I have never in my life heard of any surfboard company use “sink the rail” as a marketing term.


Just GG being GG and interjecting himself for attention as usual.


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you can act like you don't want to rip, but deep down we know you loathe your funshape


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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
It doesn't matter what I explain - Have fun believing in this .


No, Greg. You don’t get it and it and it doesn’t matter what words I use. You won’t get it.

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Originally Posted by Aruka
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Wording aside, there's still such a thing as having too much volume in the rail, yes?

There absolutely is such a thing


IMO there isn’t enough appreciation for dialing in rail shape and volume.

I liked what Jordy said in SITD about how the DHD rode vs what he wanted to feel during a cutback.

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Wording aside, there's still such a thing as having too much volume in the rail, yes?

There absolutely is such a thing


IMO there isn’t enough appreciation for dialing in rail shape and volume.

I liked what Jordy said in SITD about how the DHD rode vs what he wanted to feel during a cutback.


Jordy rode too small boards for too long. Same reasons many others do. He resisted being dialed. He wrote off the benefits for familiarity.

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This concept and term " sinking" the rail has been marketed Way too far

It doesn't matter what I explain - Have fun believing in this .


How about "engaging" the rail instead then?

Everyone here knows exactly the feeling sd_101 was describing.

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For too long bogging has been equated as burying by the rank and file riding hpsbs. But hey they threw lots of spray on that hack, just before all their speed was gone and they flailed and fell off. Ripping.
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"Sinking" the rail has been a concept since the early 80's

A well designed rail sets automatically during almost any manuever

Many popular boards today have really bad rail design - ones that resist naturally setting in .

sd_101 is your guy , he used this term sink the rail .

Learn from him .

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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
"Sinking" the rail has been a concept since the early 80's

A well designed rail sets automatically during almost any manuever

Many popular boards today have really bad rail design - ones that resist naturally setting in .

sd_101 is your guy , he used this term sink the rail .

Learn from him .

I bought a used Gary Mcneill CV2 7'2" made for an old longboarder that was shipped to me from interstate. When it arrived I was shocked about how much foam was in the rails of the board. Normally Gary foils them pretty thin. Needn't have been concerned...as Greg said the rails were well designed and the board turned beautifully. My mates were always joking about how it had SUP rails.


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Jordy rode too small boards for too long.


God, did he ever. Probably cost him a couple of world titles.


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Not possible. He’s been on high volume for many years now. Reference modern collective to see 1st grade ripping. All these guys are getting older and adding a bit more foam as they mature, part of the aging process.

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Originally Posted by fishtank
Not possible. He’s been on high volume for many years now. Reference modern collective to see 1st grade ripping. All these guys are getting older and adding a bit more foam as they mature, part of the aging process.


Wrong, not many. Wrong, although he was ripping. Wrong. And wrong. He was addicted to sensitivity like many. Comes from riding low volume when light and wanting close to same rail input even though stronger. Not age. Strength make buckets. They're getting stronger not weaker. Also communal trend to more volume ala Medina then JJ buying in. Joes not pros feel like they rip holding thin rail and showing friend. Boggers and flappers when seen from beach. Feels great though and easy. For me too.Need more flow but stubborn.


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He’s always been one of the larger guys on tour and has always ridden well over 30 liters for years now. Scoped a few of his boards in for repair last year in Bali around the 32-33L range. Medina and John are a bit younger and have filled out over the past few years thus the increase in volume. Too many wrongs don’t make you right.

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He's 190+ long long time pretty much since he started tour in 2006 Didn't commit to 32+ until the past 2 years or so. He was on around 31.5 and less most of the time up until then except for one or two. A good performance volume for someone his weight but he is a much more powerful surfer than most. And was even when he started the tour. These guys aren't filling out by just getting older like a workaholic. They are mainly filling out through working with trainers while gaining muscle mass and strength. A good article from 2017

https://www.redbull.com/za-en/jordy-smith-surfboards

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I heard from a little fish that he puts his trac pad 11/16 above the front fins for the ultimate tight shredz broz. Thank me later. hat


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HEIGHT: 5’11” (180 cm)
WEIGHT: 164 lbs (74.4 kg)

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MODEL: The GAME
LENGTH: 5’9″
WIDTH: 19″
THICKNESS: 2 1/4″
VOLUME: 26.22L
NOSE WIDTH: 12 5/16″
TAIL WIDTH: 14 3/4″
NOSE ROCKER: 4 3/4″
TAIL ROCKER: 2″
TAIL: Swallow
CONCAVE: Nearly flat with vee in the tail
GLASSING: 4 oz. all around with tail patch on deck (E-glass)

FINS: FCS Performer II
HEIGHT: 4.55″ (115mm)
BASE: 4.37″ (111mm)
AREA: 14.81″² (9554mm²)
SWEEP: 33.7º
FOIL: Inside


wide-nosed, wide-tail, low-rockered, full-railed, concave-to-vee-bottomed, well, let’s call it as it is, a boat. The Medina Gabriel will ride at Surf Ranch will be a five-ten by 19 3/8 by 2 3/8 inches. Twenty-nine litres.

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I would like one of Jordy's boars too with nice plump rails that don't stink

I guess some of us have different taste

I have felt up 2 of Gabe's boards in ripcurl shops and they felt perfect .

One day in Catalyst there was a 6 pack of Jordy's mayhem rejects and they all felt good too

On the flip side , when I touch Owen Wilson's boards I can't imagine surfing them because they are so thin

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A foiled rail sets automatically , several award winning boards don't have this - its been the fashion that sells .

Largest at the wide point then tappering to the tail - naturally setting into a smaller surface with no extra thought or effort .

You've been had for such along time

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Do your rails " act" bigger due to the shape and tuck

My 5-10 has the thinnest rails of any board I own but I still do not over power it .

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Yours have a higher % of tuck since I felt you were ordering a little thin

The size of tuck I would put on a 1/8" thicker board .


"Do your rails " act" bigger due to the shape and tuck "

They feel and act like a thinner board and will press into a turn with less effort .

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Originally Posted by retodd
I would like one of Jordy's boars too with nice plump rails that don't stink

I guess some of us have different taste

I have felt up 2 of Gabe's boards in ripcurl shops and they felt perfect .

One day in Catalyst there was a 6 pack of Jordy's mayhem rejects and they all felt good too

On the flip side , when I touch Owen Wilson's boards I can't imagine surfing them because they are so thin


I have one of Owens boards from a few years ago when he was riding for JS. He was a little heavier then and riding more volume.

6'3 1/2" x 19 1/4" x 2 1/2" and guessing 30L

The foil is definitely thin and it doesn't paddle or catch waves super well but it feels really good in waves with push.

I would like to see him on more vol. again.

Seabass is another one who always looks like he could benefit from adding some foam and lowering the rocker a bit.

But what do I know.

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I don’t think he’d ever had to “commit” to 32L plus, less than .5L difference is basically meaningless. Different shaping programs can have that much variance in how volume is calculated. He’s been riding similar equipment for ages now, always refining and experimenting for each stop around the world. You don’t think these guys weights change a bit throughout the year? Don’t take wetsuits into account?

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Originally Posted by 000
GABRIEL MEDINA-2014
HEIGHT: 5’11” (180 cm)
WEIGHT: 164 lbs (74.4 kg)

SHAPER: Johnny Cabianca
MODEL: The GAME
LENGTH: 5’9″
WIDTH: 19″
THICKNESS: 2 1/4″
VOLUME: 26.22L
NOSE WIDTH: 12 5/16″
TAIL WIDTH: 14 3/4″
NOSE ROCKER: 4 3/4″
TAIL ROCKER: 2″
TAIL: Swallow
CONCAVE: Nearly flat with vee in the tail
GLASSING: 4 oz. all around with tail patch on deck (E-glass)

FINS: FCS Performer II
HEIGHT: 4.55″ (115mm)
BASE: 4.37″ (111mm)
AREA: 14.81″² (9554mm²)
SWEEP: 33.7º
FOIL: Inside


wide-nosed, wide-tail, low-rockered, full-railed, concave-to-vee-bottomed, well, let’s call it as it is, a boat. The Medina Gabriel will ride at Surf Ranch will be a five-ten by 19 3/8 by 2 3/8 inches. Twenty-nine litres.



Those dims, 26L, seem pretty small to me for his size.

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Commit is mental by convincing instict that new is better. 'Magic' is what feels natural. Pro wants magic more than me. Ride some boards once or never even if same everything but feels slightly off.Just a tick up/down in tail thickess which is less than .5L can be felt, especially by them. That slight change can result in negative mental feelings in water but results look better from land. Some don't want to overcome the negative for the positive because confidence is where the money is made. They'll just paddle harder if they gain weight.

Jordy board changes besides just sponsorship were discussed in WSL commentary. Maurice Cole said he suffered most from lack of board consistency and lack of comitting to one shaper ala JJ and GM (except HI). Others have had this discussion about his boards and their volume starting years ago. If he stayed on GStar he might have won a championship by now maybe.

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Originally Posted by surfwhere
Commit is mental by convincing instict that new is better. 'Magic' is what feels natural. Pro wants magic more than me. Ride some boards once or never even if same everything but feels slightly off.Just a tick up/down in tail thickess which is less than .5L can be felt, especially by them. That slight change can result in negative mental feelings in water but results look better from land. Some don't want to overcome the negative for the positive because confidence is where the money is made. They'll just paddle harder if they gain weight.

Jordy board changes besides just sponsorship were discussed in WSL commentary. Maurice Cole said he suffered most from lack of board consistency and lack of comitting to one shaper ala JJ and GM (except HI). Others have had this discussion about his boards and their volume starting years ago. If he stayed on GStar he might have won a championship by now maybe.


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Originally Posted by manbearpig
Originally Posted by 000
GABRIEL MEDINA-2014
HEIGHT: 5’11” (180 cm)
WEIGHT: 164 lbs (74.4 kg)

SHAPER: Johnny Cabianca
MODEL: The GAME
LENGTH: 5’9″
WIDTH: 19″
THICKNESS: 2 1/4″
VOLUME: 26.22L
NOSE WIDTH: 12 5/16″
TAIL WIDTH: 14 3/4″
NOSE ROCKER: 4 3/4″
TAIL ROCKER: 2″
TAIL: Swallow
CONCAVE: Nearly flat with vee in the tail
GLASSING: 4 oz. all around with tail patch on deck (E-glass)

FINS: FCS Performer II
HEIGHT: 4.55″ (115mm)
BASE: 4.37″ (111mm)
AREA: 14.81″² (9554mm²)
SWEEP: 33.7º
FOIL: Inside


wide-nosed, wide-tail, low-rockered, full-railed, concave-to-vee-bottomed, well, let’s call it as it is, a boat. The Medina Gabriel will ride at Surf Ranch will be a five-ten by 19 3/8 by 2 3/8 inches. Twenty-nine litres.



Those dims, 26L, seem pretty small to me for his size.


These are old stats. No way is Gabe 164 lbs right now. Probably more like 180 lbs.


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Originally Posted by 000
GABRIEL MEDINA-2014
HEIGHT: 5’11” (180 cm)
WEIGHT: 164 lbs (74.4 kg)

SHAPER: Johnny Cabianca
MODEL: The GAME
LENGTH: 5’9″
WIDTH: 19″
THICKNESS: 2 1/4″
VOLUME: 26.22L
NOSE WIDTH: 12 5/16″
TAIL WIDTH: 14 3/4″
NOSE ROCKER: 4 3/4″
TAIL ROCKER: 2″
TAIL: Swallow
CONCAVE: Nearly flat with vee in the tail
GLASSING: 4 oz. all around with tail patch on deck (E-glass)

FINS: FCS Performer II
HEIGHT: 4.55″ (115mm)
BASE: 4.37″ (111mm)
AREA: 14.81″² (9554mm²)
SWEEP: 33.7º
FOIL: Inside


wide-nosed, wide-tail, low-rockered, full-railed, concave-to-vee-bottomed, well, let’s call it as it is, a boat. The Medina Gabriel will ride at Surf Ranch will be a five-ten by 19 3/8 by 2 3/8 inches. Twenty-nine litres.




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bros any volume recs for old middle aged kook. usually ride between 29 liters for good wave boar and 30-32 for gravel boar. most dues my age start adding around 100 liters of volume to compensate. e.g. 29 liters ----> 129 liters for good waves. 30-32 liters ----> 130-132 liters for gravel. looking forward to your advice


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Originally Posted by Havoc4k
bros any volume recs for old middle aged kook. usually ride between 29 liters for good wave boar and 30-32 for gravel boar. most dues my age start adding around 100 liters of volume to compensate. e.g. 29 liters ----> 129 liters for good waves. 30-32 liters ----> 130-132 liters for gravel. looking forward to your advice


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How old are you? That’s your volume
I’m 60 years old so my volume is 60.

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Or you could use the other volume calculator. You're only as old as the woman you feel. So use their age in years for your litreage. I'm 56 but my ideal litreage is 38 litres working on this calculator. Your litreage may vary.


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Or you could use the other volume calculator. You're only as old as the woman you feel. So use their age in years for your litreage. I'm 56 but my ideal litreage is 38 litres working on this calculator. Your litreage may vary.


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Or you could use the other volume calculator. You're only as old as the woman you feel. So use their age in years for your litreage. I'm 56 but my ideal litreage is 38 litres working on this calculator. Your litreage may vary.


in that case i need 18 liters up in dis bish foreheadslap


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Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.

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Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.


Havoc could probably best answer this.

Pretty sure he's riding a 5'0 x 35 x 4 1/2" Tomo Evo at the moment.

The thing is basically an orb, but he can do some really tight old man shreds on it.


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Originally Posted by jkb
Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.


Havoc could probably best answer this.

Pretty sure he's riding a 5'0 x 35 x 4 1/2" Tomo Evo at the moment.

The thing is basically an orb, but he can do some really tight old man shreds on it.


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I thought my board was a bit too low volume for me and I went and bought the next size up, an inch longer, a 1/8 inch wider and an 1/16 inch thicker about a liter and half more total.

I definitely don't like it as much. It was just enough to push it over the edge into boaty feeling. Also coincided with warmer water temps and less wetsuit but I'm not sure it's going to hang around long. While it paddles slightly better, maybe, it surfs worse, definitely. Convinced me to surf and swim more and think about board volume less.

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Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.


It's kind of hard for anyone else to really tell you when too much is too much. You'll know, I think. When the rail doesn't set, when your turns feel flat, when you can't get any bite then you've gone too far with the width/thickness and it might be time to add length or cut back on the beers.

What dims/volumes are you on right now?

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A thread about not enough volume and nobody has dared bring up Dane? Didn't he ride one of Jordy's boards one time and show a bit more flow?
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Originally Posted by Aruka
Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.


It's kind of hard for anyone else to really tell you when too much is too much. You'll know, I think. When the rail doesn't set, when your turns feel flat, when you can't get any bite then you've gone too far with the width/thickness and it might be time to add length or cut back on the beers.

What dims/volumes are you on right now?

Or find a shaper who understands your needs and knows how to shape the rail and bottom contours to make that extra volume and width work for you. I would contend there's plenty of shapers who aren't able to do this and stuff it up for their customers.


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Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.



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"Or find a shaper who understands your needs and knows how to shape the rail and bottom contours to make that extra volume and width work for you. I would contend there's plenty of shapers who aren't able to do this and stuff it up for their customers."



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I expected;
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* Posts about asking a local shaper

Thread didn't' t disappoint.

To be honest, maybe I should have worded it differently (I did warn you to say it's clumsy), as I was not referring to what you guys think is too much volume.

What I mean to ask, is how do you feel about your board length being a limiting factor in more marginal conditions? For example, I rode a 6.2' at 31L (can;t recall the rest of the dims) in daily conditions not long ago, and it felt slow to react in the pocket / cutbacks, but it would have been fine if it were at a long point break

Originally Posted by Aruka
What dims/volumes are you on right now?


Daily / do anything on board is 5'10", 19 1/2", 2 1/2" @ 30.10L.

ps: I'm in no imminent need as I love my boards and how they paddle / move, I'm just curious about adding more and more foam slowly but surely to find that sweet spot.

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Yea, I've been doing that with the more 'novelty boards' - good call though, as I'll keep an eye out for HPSBs.

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My pic is the perfect response to Retropete's comment .

Volume + - 1 L

A well tuned fin placement on a well designed board will be more responsive than just being a lower volume board = its not all about that flotation #

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I’m requesting rail volume to be written on my next custom.

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Medina went somewhat on his own path in a slight incremental way. Paying attention, GG alludes to something often. Because of that I've said in the past if I wuz smart enough to try to be some kind of professor I'd write about

Brand Marketing Influence on the Equipment Predilictions of the Modern Surfer: A History and Analysis


And then there is that saying 'Only a surfer knows the feeling'

Would that feeling be different today if Kelly won just as much but was built like Occy?

What might have happened to today's assumed right volume to weight ratio?

Better for surfing or not as much progression when compared to other board sports?

How might surfboards look different?

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Last time I checked OTR boards were for pretty stocky built dudes. Maybe years ago glass slippers but not today.

Filipe rides chips.

How do you guys feel about his rails - Did they stink?

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Originally Posted by Waxfoot
Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.



This has probably been the single biggest struggle in ordering shortboards for the last couple years.

And it doesn't help when there are a myriad of variables that are also present in the equation like rocker, outline, foil, wave type etc.

What I find almost consistently however is that I feel like I do better surfing on the boards that are typically on the lower end of the volume spectrum for me. For me that's 30L. I have a handful of small(ish) wave boards that are in the 30L range and I find I surf them quite well.

For my standard HPSB, the volume usually fluctuates anywhere between 31L and 32.5L and what I find there is foil is the biggest determining factor. Some of the lower volume boards I've ridden have gotten me used to more sensitive foil.

Unfortunately, there's only so much volume you can pack into a 6'0 x 19.13 x ??? without ending up with super round rails.

For instance, I ordered two 5'11 x 19.25 x ??? to get them to be 31.5L and they both came out too thick and don't surf that well. So I have experienced the tradeoffs.

I know some people think .5L differences are marginal but I disagree. Especially when you're surfing paddle dependent spots like OBSF.

The long and the short of it is that I have a sold set of shortboards that are 31L to 32L. I'm going to try a few that are 30L - 31L and see what the tradeoffs are.

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I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.

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Greg, you seem to have a good grasp on foiling rails. Hidden volume.
Some shaper just slap more volume on their for float and it really hurts performance. (could also be an issue in scaling various models below or ahead of sugested guidelines)

But like I said, I weigh dick and a half so I have a hard time "Engaging" rails that aren't tucked or thin enough (my vernacular may be lacking here)

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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


Thanks, Greg, for another timely, high-value comment

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medinas a kook riding over foamed boards semi-fun shapes roflmao

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A foiled rail line like this requires less effort to " Engage" it

The contact surface reduces size , naturally setting in as you press into the maneuver

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Many "Modern" rails ride thicker , full round at center increasing size into a box edge rail in the tail

You can ride more volume using a foiled rail .


This board is 2 7/8" thick

It has less contact surface than a 2 1/2" thick Fever + it foils into the tail instead of a growing blocky edge .

This will "Engage" with very little input


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Thanks Greg, that makes a lot of sense, and the rails on that board looks nuts!

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I do often wonder about Danes preferred rail shape and it’s impact to the CI team riders.

Aside from my DFR I have not cared much for OTR rails on “his” shapes. Even then, mine was one that was thinner than “stock”.

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SD, the board I was talking about with the chunk rails in the midsection was a Dane board lol
It glides well but my sharpeye feels like a scalpel after riding it

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Given that we’re on the volume topic, instead of creating a new thread… I have a clumsy worded question for the more knowledgeable ones in this thread.

I have been slowly upping the volume on my shortboard, by adding width and thickness to my boards, which seems a reasonable approach. At 177cm and 83KG (5.10’ 180+ish in freedom units), my boards tend to range from 5.7’ grovelers, to 6’ HPSB (excluding step ups and novelty short things).

My question is, at what point does adding width and thickness become levers pulled too much, and I’ll need to go longer with my HPSB? The relationship between width, length and thickness (both centre and rail) has me in a bit of a spin sometimes, and I’m reluctant to go longer.

I have been resisting getting my board too long, as I quite like the trend that started years ago, and don’t really want to go back to when I was a grom surfing 6.4’ boars, as they simply do not fit as nicely on the waves I surf the most of the time. When I grew up, I had a world class long walled point break on my doorstep, but now mostly surf beahbreaks, so struggling with longer boards on a smaller canvas.


LOL. I don't think anyone addressed the actual question yet.

I think I understand what you are asking: As you find the need or desire to surf an incrementally larger board (eventually we all need to), should we only increase width and thickness or is it OK to also start adding length?

IMO, given our collective current starting point of surfing boards that are historically shorter/wider, adding a bit of length is definitely not a bad thing. In my experience, the extra length might take a very short adjustment period at the beginning, but then it quickly starts to feel very natural.

The biggest adjustment in my experience when going up in length, has been getting used to the extra nose length on steep/late drops when there is a lot of curve in the wave. But it's not harder IMO, you just get used to needing a certain amount of clearance and just have to adjust your angle of takeoff to avoid any nose pokes on the new board.

As for fitting in the wave, I've found that longer shapes can actually fit the wave better sometimes than the shorter/wider boards simply because the nose is pulled in more. Once I'm up and riding, it's not usually the tip of the nose that has a hard time fitting in the curve of the wave, it's usually the front rail somewhere. Keep in mind, I'm not talking about true grovel conditions -- in those situations I still like a pretty stubby board.

The other component of shorter boards that we all like is lack of swing weight. In that regard, the lighter epoxy construction really helps minimize that negative (as well as having a slightly more refined and pulled in nose).

Anyway, my point is that it's OK to go longer, but as others on this thread have hinted, its probably not a great idea to simply go longer on the same design that was intended to be surfed shorter/wider. But rather, look towards boards that are intended to be ridden a tag longer anyway and find your volume sweet spot there. That way you get the extra length and all it's benefits without the awkward problem of having a big wide nose that is very far forward.

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this rail taper conversation calls for it:

big shout out to brian bulkley....made me handfuls of boards with killer tapered rails over the years....allowed me to ride thick stuff without being pyscho boaty

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Unpossible !

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Originally Posted by delmartian


LOL. I don't think anyone addressed the actual question yet.



Thanks mate, I've found my answer in a combination of rail taper and your length post. I was also at a point where I thought going much over my preferred 2 1/2" thickness ( 2 7/16th rails) was going to become cumbersome, but I didn't consider that there's a lot of foil to play with (given GG's example above).

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Greg had the best looking rails in the game facelick

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I've found what Greg is stating to be one of the biggest deciding factors for me clicking with a board or not. Granted, my realization came from a long road of ordering, riding and eventually figuring out design enough to become my strong preference.
My default when discussing with a new, to me, shaper is ordering a size that feels right and conversation about pinching or tucking rails. I dont tend to go to shapes or shapers that have generously round rails.

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Originally Posted by crotchgrab
I've found what Greg is stating to be one of the biggest deciding factors for me clicking with a board or not. Granted, my realization came from a long road of ordering, riding and eventually figuring out design enough to become my strong preference.
My default when discussing with a new, to me, shaper is ordering a size that feels right and conversation about pinching or tucking rails. I dont tend to go to shapes or shapers that have generously round rails.


A quick run on a Pyzalien might surprise you.

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Jon's go from large round to small box edge , reducing contact surface .

It would be fun hearing what shapers say about the flow thru the rail shape .

It was developed and proven in Single fin days , no side fin required .

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Originally Posted by Maz
Originally Posted by crotchgrab
I've found what Greg is stating to be one of the biggest deciding factors for me clicking with a board or not. Granted, my realization came from a long road of ordering, riding and eventually figuring out design enough to become my strong preference.
My default when discussing with a new, to me, shaper is ordering a size that feels right and conversation about pinching or tucking rails. I dont tend to go to shapes or shapers that have generously round rails.


A quick run on a Pyzalien might surprise you.

His Pyzalien is that different from a lot of his other shapes?...interesting. I'd have to check one out in person and see how everything came together.

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Yep, Pyzalien has an almost flat deck and very chunky rail. Quite high apex. Very very different from the Ghost.

My Ghost is 34L, Pyzalien 32L. The latter feels more buoyant, and not just under your arm. Eyeing it up, with its chunky rails and wide tail, you wouldn't think it had such a generous top end, but it does.

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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


I'm pretty sure this is also true wink smile :

I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better

On the next order (even in the same design) with slight changes like decreasing length or thickness slightly the board started to click and was magic. Best board ever they said, will order more.

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Of course most of those go to lower volume success stories involve LBs, FBs, and fishes. Every now and then you get to blow someones mind by taking them down an few inches in length with a little less volume. And every now and then you get that next order without someone writting the shaper or model off. 1" in length shorter might take you down .5L while making a world of difference. So can changing rail contour. This is where the review stuff can be so arbitrary, one man wrong is another man right.

Get dialed or roll dice on rack boards/new models? Many have fun either way and enjoy it.

I'm having fun.

Are you?

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Originally Posted by surfwhere
Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


I'm pretty sure this is also true wink smile :

I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better

On the next order (even in the same design) with slight changes like decreasing length or thickness slightly the board started to click and was magic. Best board ever they said, will order more.

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Of course most of those go to lower volume success stories involve LBs, FBs, and fishes. Every now and then you get to blow someones mind by taking them down an few inches in length with a little less volume. And every now and then you get that next order without someone writting the shaper or model off. 1" in length shorter might take you down .5L while making a world of difference. So can changing rail contour. This is where the review stuff can be so arbitrary, one man wrong is another man right.

Get dialed or roll dice on rack boards/new models? Many have fun either way and enjoy it.

I'm having fun.

Are you?



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"I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better"



Or was it GWS :-)

Who pushed the buttons !

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From your perspective

K.I.S.S. is how I roll if I were to push a button, crashed a CNC lathe once doing programming, $10,000 mistake, I learned

Not the nitty gritty, label makers are science geeks that many don't know, PHDs, most I met

if you ask too much and it will go overhead

You play nice with everyone but even still

GWS knows how to push your buttons. wink

You da man GG!

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I've been "Diddling" with design since 1967

Its been a fun and sometimes humorous ride .

We now have "Internet Influencers" in the game

Swaying public opinion at a cost to others , without knowing anything about board design .

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Look at the bottom photo tail - that is a lot of area.

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Notice the area is reducing in width from wide point .

+ 10

Little more from the wide point would make this lower rocker design even better .

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That board (Felipe's) looks at least a foot taller than him? I know he's a short arse but that's huge. That would be like me riding a 7'0 board at keramas lol. I don't need anything bigger than a 6'0 at Keramas

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Originally Posted by noise
That board (Felipe's) looks at least a foot taller than him? I know he's a short arse but that's huge. That would be like me riding a 7'0 board at keramas lol. I don't need anything bigger than a 6'0 at Keramas


He's holding it well off the ground. Check the shadow on the sand :-)

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Originally Posted by surfwhere
Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I have upgraded Sooo many to higher volume boards with great success

This .5 L or 1 L making a board suck is BS

Its the design that your not "clicking" with , even if its the same model - twisted , fins off etc.


I'm pretty sure this is also true wink smile :

I've upgraded Sooo many to lower volume boards with great success.

.5L or 1L change made a board better

On the next order (even in the same design) with slight changes like decreasing length or thickness slightly the board started to click and was magic. Best board ever they said, will order more.

---------------------------------------------

Of course most of those go to lower volume success stories involve LBs, FBs, and fishes. Every now and then you get to blow someones mind by taking them down an few inches in length with a little less volume. And every now and then you get that next order without someone writting the shaper or model off. 1" in length shorter might take you down .5L while making a world of difference. So can changing rail contour. This is where the review stuff can be so arbitrary, one man wrong is another man right.

Get dialed or roll dice on rack boards/new models? Many have fun either way and enjoy it.

I'm having fun.

Are you?




When I went from buying OTR 6'2 x 19.5 x 2.5 32ish L boards to getting custom 6'0 x 19.25 x 2.56 32ish L boards was a game changer for me because of all of the sudden I was in the sweet spot more often and could go rail to rail faster, without sacrificing any real paddle power.

Now when I drop the volume a little bit from 32L to 31L, for instance, I get a more sensitive rail that I like the feel of, but also sacrifice a bit on paddling and wave catching.

Maybe these tweaks don't mean much Greg when you're shaping 7'0 x 21" funboards but on shortboards, they definitely matter and can make or break a board for sure.

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I’ve largely found that if I like the rails I’ll like the board. Won’t always be perfect but I can make it work and carve without much thought.

I think there is a lot of truth to what a good rail can pull off. There is more to it than just center thickness.

My rusty happy shovel was 2.56 in the middle but had rails like my 2.28 thick short boards. Surfed and carved just fine despite being 3 or so liters more than my other boards. Food for thought.

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Great

I make and have made low volume boards for a very long time in addition to high volume boards that don't surf like boats .


The needed look to sell boards have rails that ride like a thicker board .

I dont make that .

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I fondled a few of his last week - was told he's not too keen on adding volume. Other than volume for the 15 lbs he's gained over the past few years.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=73&v=027mV0eukH0

here's a 55 year old riding a hard edge rail nose to tail design. doesn't look catchy or boggy to me. Looks like it works very well.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=73&v=027mV0eukH0

here's a 55 year old riding a hard edge rail nose to tail design. doesn't look catchy or boggy to me. Looks like it works very well.


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Now when I drop the volume a little bit from 32L to 31L, for instance, I get a more sensitive rail that I like the feel of, but also sacrifice a bit on paddling and wave catching.



What Greg is (cryptically) saying is that if that 32L board had a rail foiled to your preferences you could have your cake and eat it too.

Customs FTW.

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"What Greg is (cryptically) saying is "

I've been very clear - bird

Way clearer than any shaper here - trying to help those lost in this finite dims and volume thing .

Break away from those self imposed restrictions and you may have way more fun .

Its been fun to create my own board designs - and making others happy with tjhem - + surfing experiences far greater than yourself .

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Originally Posted by Greg Griffin
I've been very clear


Yet people are still misunderstanding you. Am I one of them?

I get custom boards with the overall volume and rails I like cookin

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I'm going to be on the North Shore this winter making boards and having fun .

I had good fun today too - pretty much everyday . More than one sport helps wth this .

Good to hear your not locking your self in with finite #'s .

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Nothing at all like a San Diegan trad fish.

Nothing at all like a squashed shortboard groveller (not a fish).

All that has happened is an extra bit of nose width in the outline.


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Considering that he's riding this board at his height (or longer) and it's that wide in the nose, it looks fishy to me.

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fair enough.

Anyhow, I got one coming, should have it under the arm by the end of the week.


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Would love to hear about it. Always wanted to order one.

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just a healthy board. not fishy.

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Speaking of volume - Chilli's riders seem to be on the lwoer end of what you'd expect;

Mitch's

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Originally Posted by freeride76
fair enough.

Anyhow, I got one coming, should have it under the arm by the end of the week.



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What dims / model

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Originally Posted by Racer1
Considering that he's riding this board at his height (or longer) and it's that wide in the nose, it looks fishy to me.


Agreed. For a CT level board this one has ears.

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