REMINDER: Siteowner has no obligation to monitor the Forums. However, Siteowner reserves the right to review the Materials submitted to or posted on the Forums, and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such Materials, in its sole discretion and for any reason whatsoever, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. Siteowner has no obligation to display or post any Materials provided by you. Siteowner reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or Materials that Siteowner deems necessary or appropriate to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, contract obligation, legal or dispute process or government request. To further read the rules and terms of agreement of this Forum, click here.

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
L5-S1 issues from paddling #2961936
06/02/19 01:31 AM
06/02/19 01:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
Anyone deal with back pain/sciatica/referred nerve pain caused or exacerbated by surfing or paddling? Every time I go out I end up with a stiff back and pain in my legs or groin. I've been doing stretches a chiro gave me but they aren't quite enough.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2962020
06/02/19 12:15 PM
06/02/19 12:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
S
squidley Offline
Miki Dora status
squidley  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
S

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
.
It's called piriformis syndrome. The pain and swelling are caused when collagen gets tough and thick. The piriformis swells, and presses the sciatic nerve against the pelvis. Whether you get pain in your legs or lower back depends on how your piriformis muscles and sciatic nerves are configured.

Massage the piriformis with a tennis ball; it breaks up the damaged collagen.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tennis+ball+piriformis+massage
.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2962023
06/02/19 12:54 PM
06/02/19 12:54 PM
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,291
R
rts265 Offline
Miki Dora status
rts265  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
R

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,291
I’ve noticed my back hurts like that on wider boards

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2962287
06/02/19 08:07 PM
06/02/19 08:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
Piriformis syndrome would make sense. My hips are often sore and playing drums can cause the pain as well. I have the dreaded lacrosse balls to attack it with, plus a jigsaw massager.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2962536
06/03/19 12:59 PM
06/03/19 12:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
Could be disks too.


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2963285
06/04/19 05:28 PM
06/04/19 05:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 785
usa
S
surfflexx Offline
Nep status
surfflexx  Offline
Nep status
***
S

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 785
usa

Piriformis syndrome a catch all name for all sorts of lower back and traveling nerve pain. The best doctors have a difficult time property diagnosing it. But better chance getting it properly diagnosed with a good PT or chiro. Good luck .

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2963289
06/04/19 05:29 PM
06/04/19 05:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 785
usa
S
surfflexx Offline
Nep status
surfflexx  Offline
Nep status
***
S

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 785
usa

Piriformis syndrome a catch all name for all sorts of lower back and traveling nerve pain. The best doctors have a difficult time property diagnosing it. But better chance getting it properly diagnosed with a good PT or chiro. Good luck .

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2963374
06/04/19 07:14 PM
06/04/19 07:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 632
S
StinkinHippie Offline
Nep status
StinkinHippie  Offline
Nep status
***
S

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 632
How long are you holding your stretches?

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2963576
06/05/19 02:07 AM
06/05/19 02:07 AM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,993
ex-pat Huntington Beach
S
SurfDoc Offline
Michael Peterson status
SurfDoc  Offline
Michael Peterson status
****
S

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,993
ex-pat Huntington Beach
Don't raise your head, neck, and shoulders so much when you paddle. Keep your head lower. Always do stretching before and after a session.


Peace,
Surf Doc
Be safe, surf smart, know your limits! Check this: www.happyshark.com
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2963718
06/05/19 03:15 PM
06/05/19 03:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
Aren't t-spine restrictions going to make the lumbar spine pick up the slack?

This causing downstream problems?

My upper back is this big frozen block of meat.

I been trying to loosen it up.

I have been focusing on arm movements when I walk. This actually is making noticeable change.

But it likes to stay locked up in flextion.

I think t-spine rotation is a key too.


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Autoprax] #2963770
06/05/19 04:47 PM
06/05/19 04:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,334
Oceansuck
J
jkb Offline
Phil Edwards status
jkb  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
J

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,334
Oceansuck
Originally Posted by Autoprax
I have been focusing on arm movements when I walk. This actually is making noticeable change.


I saw you practicing the other day. Looks like you're working it.

[Linked Image]


Legal Disclaimer: jkb's posts are written by his Posting Agent, whose views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of jkb.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2963775
06/05/19 04:50 PM
06/05/19 04:50 PM
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,291
R
rts265 Offline
Miki Dora status
rts265  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
R

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,291
Have you considered going up a mil in your wetsuit?

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: jkb] #2965491
06/09/19 06:22 PM
06/09/19 06:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
Originally Posted by jkb
Originally Posted by Autoprax
I have been focusing on arm movements when I walk. This actually is making noticeable change.


I saw you practicing the other day. Looks like you're working it.

[Linked Image]


Hi guys! dancing


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2966015
06/10/19 11:01 PM
06/10/19 11:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
C
Coat Hanger Offline
Tom Curren status
Coat Hanger  Offline
Tom Curren status
**
C

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
Sounds like a perfectly normal and age appropriate back.

I wonder what's better for pain reduction....a strong back or a weak back.


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: SurfDoc] #2966016
06/10/19 11:03 PM
06/10/19 11:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
C
Coat Hanger Offline
Tom Curren status
Coat Hanger  Offline
Tom Curren status
**
C

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
Originally Posted by SurfDoc
Don't raise your head, neck, and shoulders so much when you paddle. Keep your head lower. Always do stretching before and after a session.


What's the answer if someone asks why?


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Coat Hanger] #2967610
06/13/19 04:46 PM
06/13/19 04:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
Originally Posted by Coat Hanger
Sounds like a perfectly normal and age appropriate back.

I wonder what's better for pain reduction....a strong back or a weak back.


Strong glutes.


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Autoprax] #2968484
06/15/19 11:42 AM
06/15/19 11:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 632
S
StinkinHippie Offline
Nep status
StinkinHippie  Offline
Nep status
***
S

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 632
Originally Posted by Autoprax
Aren't t-spine restrictions going to make the lumbar spine pick up the slack?

This causing downstream problems?

My upper back is this big frozen block of meat.

I been trying to loosen it up.

I have been focusing on arm movements when I walk. This actually is making noticeable change.

But it likes to stay locked up in flextion.

I think t-spine rotation is a key too.


The only way to break this up is stretching and lacrosse ball therapy. You can pay a professional but it's going to be expensive. Put 2 lacrosse balls in a sock and tie it off. Make a 2nd ond. Strategically place these under you and roll around. For the really painful spots just lay still over that spot digging deep. About 30 minutes of this typevtreatment then drink a ton of water. If you are really locked up. Stay out of the gym and take a few days off from surfing.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2968725
06/16/19 12:36 PM
06/16/19 12:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
S
squidley Offline
Miki Dora status
squidley  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
S

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
.
Take magnesium.
.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2976560
07/04/19 02:01 AM
07/04/19 02:01 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
Haven't surfed in a month plus, crippling pain still coming and going. Just about any exercise seems to set it off. Had a lumbar/coccyx x-ray today and I start PT in the next couple weeks.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2976658
07/04/19 01:37 PM
07/04/19 01:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
S
squidley Offline
Miki Dora status
squidley  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
S

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Haven't surfed in a month plus, crippling pain still coming and going. Just about any exercise seems to set it off. Had a lumbar/coccyx x-ray today and I start PT in the next couple weeks.


Did you try tennis ball massage? Try it or stop hounding. It costs $1.50.

Another possibility is, stop sleeping on your stomach with your legs splayed. Sleep on your side with your knees together. This one takes a week.
.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: squidley] #2976799
07/04/19 05:51 PM
07/04/19 05:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
Originally Posted by squidley
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Haven't surfed in a month plus, crippling pain still coming and going. Just about any exercise seems to set it off. Had a lumbar/coccyx x-ray today and I start PT in the next couple weeks.


Did you try tennis ball massage? Try it or stop hounding. It costs $1.50.

Another possibility is, stop sleeping on your stomach with your legs splayed. Sleep on your side with your knees together. This one takes a week.
.


Yes, I've tried tennis ball massage, lacrosse ball massage, foam rollers, and the tightly-rolled up T-shirt. They mildly help until any exercise flares it again. I've been sleeping on my back with a pillow under the knees, might try the side.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2976853
07/04/19 08:19 PM
07/04/19 08:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
try massaging your psoas.


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2977147
07/05/19 07:29 PM
07/05/19 07:29 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
S
squidley Offline
Miki Dora status
squidley  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
S

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Originally Posted by squidley
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Haven't surfed in a month plus, crippling pain still coming and going. Just about any exercise seems to set it off. Had a lumbar/coccyx x-ray today and I start PT in the next couple weeks.


Did you try tennis ball massage? Try it or stop hounding. It costs $1.50.

Another possibility is, stop sleeping on your stomach with your legs splayed. Sleep on your side with your knees together. This one takes a week.
.


Yes, I've tried tennis ball massage, lacrosse ball massage, foam rollers, and the tightly-rolled up T-shirt. They mildly help until any exercise flares it again. I've been sleeping on my back with a pillow under the knees, might try the side.


Tennis ball massage takes two weeks, three times a day. Exercising while the piriformis is still inflamed is counter productive. It causes more inflammation.

Explanation: The piriformis, with the sciatic nerve, goes through a hole in the pelvis called the sciatic foramen.. Collagen wraps around the piriformis/nerve complex. The collagen gets broken and inflamed. It causes the complex to swell. The swelling traps the sciatic nerve against the pelvic hole preventing movement.

If you move it anyway then you cause more damage. Massage breaks up the spent collagen, and shrinks the piriformis. The sciatic nerve gets room to move without rubbing on the sciatic foramen. Then you can exercise.

This is all a vestige of the fact that humans evolved an upright gait while living in cool water. The sciatic foramen did not need to be large because the piriformis never inflamed. On land it's a different story.
.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Autoprax] #2977362
07/06/19 05:56 AM
07/06/19 05:56 AM
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,125
H
hammies Offline
Michael Peterson status
hammies  Offline
Michael Peterson status
**
H

Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,125
Originally Posted by Autoprax
try massaging your psoas.


My chiropractor showed me how to stretch my psoas. I do it regularly and haven't seen him in a couple of years now.


"The world needs fewer arrogant pricks."
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: squidley] #2977545
07/06/19 07:04 PM
07/06/19 07:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
Originally Posted by squidley
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Originally Posted by squidley
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Haven't surfed in a month plus, crippling pain still coming and going. Just about any exercise seems to set it off. Had a lumbar/coccyx x-ray today and I start PT in the next couple weeks.


Did you try tennis ball massage? Try it or stop hounding. It costs $1.50.

Another possibility is, stop sleeping on your stomach with your legs splayed. Sleep on your side with your knees together. This one takes a week.
.


Yes, I've tried tennis ball massage, lacrosse ball massage, foam rollers, and the tightly-rolled up T-shirt. They mildly help until any exercise flares it again. I've been sleeping on my back with a pillow under the knees, might try the side.


Tennis ball massage takes two weeks, three times a day. Exercising while the piriformis is still inflamed is counter productive. It causes more inflammation.

Explanation: The piriformis, with the sciatic nerve, goes through a hole in the pelvis called the sciatic foramen.. Collagen wraps around the piriformis/nerve complex. The collagen gets broken and inflamed. It causes the complex to swell. The swelling traps the sciatic nerve against the pelvic hole preventing movement.

If you move it anyway then you cause more damage. Massage breaks up the spent collagen, and shrinks the piriformis. The sciatic nerve gets room to move without rubbing on the sciatic foramen. Then you can exercise.

This is all a vestige of the fact that humans evolved an upright gait while living in cool water. The sciatic foramen did not need to be large because the piriformis never inflamed. On land it's a different story.
.


That makes sense, but how do I tell when the piriformis is no longer inflamed? It's obviously not as simple as "pain gone, feel normal again" because the pain can go away for weeks and then come back immediately after moderate exercise.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2977693
07/07/19 03:25 AM
07/07/19 03:25 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
S
squidley Offline
Miki Dora status
squidley  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
S

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Originally Posted by squidley
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Originally Posted by squidley
Originally Posted by Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto
Haven't surfed in a month plus, crippling pain still coming and going. Just about any exercise seems to set it off. Had a lumbar/coccyx x-ray today and I start PT in the next couple weeks.


Did you try tennis ball massage? Try it or stop hounding. It costs $1.50.

Another possibility is, stop sleeping on your stomach with your legs splayed. Sleep on your side with your knees together. This one takes a week.
.


Yes, I've tried tennis ball massage, lacrosse ball massage, foam rollers, and the tightly-rolled up T-shirt. They mildly help until any exercise flares it again. I've been sleeping on my back with a pillow under the knees, might try the side.


Tennis ball massage takes two weeks, three times a day. Exercising while the piriformis is still inflamed is counter productive. It causes more inflammation.

Explanation: The piriformis, with the sciatic nerve, goes through a hole in the pelvis called the sciatic foramen.. Collagen wraps around the piriformis/nerve complex. The collagen gets broken and inflamed. It causes the complex to swell. The swelling traps the sciatic nerve against the pelvic hole preventing movement.

If you move it anyway then you cause more damage. Massage breaks up the spent collagen, and shrinks the piriformis. The sciatic nerve gets room to move without rubbing on the sciatic foramen. Then you can exercise.

This is all a vestige of the fact that humans evolved an upright gait while living in cool water. The sciatic foramen did not need to be large because the piriformis never inflamed. On land it's a different story.
.


That makes sense, but how do I tell when the piriformis is no longer inflamed? It's obviously not as simple as "pain gone, feel normal again" because the pain can go away for weeks and then come back immediately after moderate exercise.


Good question. There are no guarantees. Some people have more piriformis trouble than others. This isn't a permanent cure. If this is piriformis syndrome then you have to knock it back every time it crops up.

GP's employ some of the same strategies regularly. Diagnose the condition according to a familiar model. Apply a treatment designed to improve the malady as it confirms the diagnosis. In the vast majority of cases the malady improves. You save money, and your condition gets better fast. In the 1% of cases when the malady doesn't improve at least the process narrows the diagnosis.

Good luck.
.

Last edited by squidley; 07/07/19 03:36 AM.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: squidley] #2977700
07/07/19 03:48 AM
07/07/19 03:48 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
S
squidley Offline
Miki Dora status
squidley  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
S

Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,163
.
One of the biggest problems in the U.S. is the number of doctors eager to diagnose these cases with back surgery. Yes, tugging on a frozen piriformis can jack the sciatic nerves out of the L 4/5 disk, and deform it. Often the disk adequately recovers if you can get the piriformis diagnosis, and start massage.

Also there is a large contingent of patients who won't listen to a doc who tells them they have to do any work to treat themselves. They won't admit it, but they are demanding surgery. I would rather do the work.
.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2978405
07/08/19 07:06 PM
07/08/19 07:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 747
F
feralseppo Offline
Nep status
feralseppo  Offline
Nep status
**
F

Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 747
Tennis balls won't do shat if its a disc issue, which you probably can't figure out without an MRI. I have 4 discs in my lumbar with significant bulges. I have permanent numbness on the inside of one of my calves and other issues associated with it. I had pain so bad that I couldn't walk for almost a month about 2 years ago.

I use stretches from a book called The Permanent Pain Cure by Ming Chew. You can get it off Amazon for about $10. The guy is a PT who has worked on pro athletes. A friend of mine went to see him in New York and he was able to avoid shoulder surgery and fixed his back up as well.

I wake up with a stiff back most every morning and the stretches get rid of the pain. The book has a series of stretches for the back along with specific stretch routines for things such as sciatica. I've turned other people on to the book who have said it changed their life. It takes a while to learn the stretches properly. He also has a section on food and supplements aimed at reducing inflammation and getting rid of scar tissue caused by injuries.

One of the things that helped me when I was in agonizing pain is I hydrated myself, which is what the book recommends before starting the stretches. I started drinking about a gallon of water a day instead of dehydrating with wine and coffee. Lots of disc issues can be caused by dehydration. The disc shrinks and then slips out.

That's my 2 cents. Otherwise, there is always dead lifts, cutting gluten and going no carb.
Hot yoga about 5x a week has kept everything in check for me ever since.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2978464
07/08/19 08:53 PM
07/08/19 08:53 PM
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 143
D
dksurf Offline
Grom
dksurf  Offline
Grom
***
D

Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 143
I had the same issues thought it was the L5 -s1 however turns out it was the nerves in the lumbar facet joints the was causing the stiffness and nerve pain in my left leg. Go to a good orthopedic and have him look at your MRI and check your l5 and l4 facet joints.

Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2986542
07/24/19 01:16 PM
07/24/19 01:16 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 8,163
Your mom�s house
D
Duffy Online content
Kelly Slater status
Duffy  Online Content
Kelly Slater status
**
D

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 8,163
Your mom�s house
Just get a cortisone injection in the affected discs.

Chill for a week and you will probably be golden.


�No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn�

- The Wasp
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2986629
07/24/19 04:13 PM
07/24/19 04:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
My sister took my dad for an injection, since my mom had just died, and he killed himself a few days later.

My sister was like WTF?

Couldn't he have killed himself first?


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2987038
07/25/19 01:46 AM
07/25/19 01:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
First couple PT sessions under my belt. Literally. After an x-ray and some diagnostic tests they're treating it as as a pelvic floor issue and not a back issue, which matches my original thought when it popped up last year: https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2860353

Autoprax, if you're looking for a PT that will finger your starfish to hit the trigger points, I can recommend that you (a) go to mine and (b) avoid the procedure altogether if anything else brings you relief. It sucks.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2987597
07/26/19 01:34 AM
07/26/19 01:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
But it's helping?

Como no?


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2988596
07/28/19 06:31 PM
07/28/19 06:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
Yeah, I think so. I surfed yesterday for the first time since early June without much pain. We'll see how today feels.


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2988626
07/28/19 07:35 PM
07/28/19 07:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
My TVA is a mess too.


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2988769
07/29/19 05:36 AM
07/29/19 05:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
C
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto  Offline OP
Michael Peterson status
**
C

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,801
TVA?


all i ever wanted in life was a consistent 6-10 foot righthand barrel
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2994926
08/10/19 02:54 AM
08/10/19 02:54 AM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
C
Coat Hanger Offline
Tom Curren status
Coat Hanger  Offline
Tom Curren status
**
C

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
1. Squat
2. Deadlift
Repeat


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2998199
08/19/19 04:49 AM
08/19/19 04:49 AM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
C
Coat Hanger Offline
Tom Curren status
Coat Hanger  Offline
Tom Curren status
**
C

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 10,306
THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
Pain is an experience that reflects the perception of threat.

Pain is one of our many survival mechanisms, but it does not reliably reflect the status of our tissues. As with so many things, context is important. Stimuli that may not be painful in some contexts might be quite unpleasant in other situations where we feel threatened. For example, a friend punching you in the arm while you are joking around is not nearly as painful as that same punch from someone who is angry or being aggressive towards you. The same physical insult results in a different experience based on many biological, psychological, and social contextual factors.

Our thoughts and expectations are important in managing pain and injury. The more threatened we feel and the more convinced we are that something is “wrong” that needs to be “fixed” the more debilitating painful experiences can be. While there are many variables we cannot control, our learned responses to pain and injury are things we can alter. Reminding ourselves that most tissue injuries heal within days to weeks and doing things to facilitate that process can be helpful. Catastrophizing–amplifying the negative aspects of our experiences and engaging in worst-case thinking–can exacerbate painful experiences. Pain is not just in your head. Nor is it just in your tissues. The interactions that result in the emergence of pain are enormously complex. Working to approach our pain with positivity and a confidence that the situation can improve is important. We can experience substantial discomfort in the absence of tissue pathology, and this understanding can be useful as we adapt and self-manage our injuries.


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
Re: L5-S1 issues from paddling [Re: Ch-ch-ch-cheeeeeto] #2998212
08/19/19 05:29 AM
08/19/19 05:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
A
Autoprax Offline
Duke status
Autoprax  Offline
Duke status
**
A

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 29,972
Vagina Point
faulty interoception?


incompetence is preferable to malice.
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Groundswell, Nameless60, r32