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1st Pyzel, 1st Futures box #2950286
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Hi all, hoping for a little direction with my first futures fins. I finally made the switch from FCS so I know it's going to be a couple of years building a quiver but of course I'd like to get the right thing straight off the bat!

I've got a stock 5'10" Phantom for my daily driver on the way. I'm 6'2", 165 and wear a hooded 5/4 throughout winter. I'm not a strong back foot surfer. I see a lot of people going for the JJ Techflex large fins and matching with the medium QD2 or HS rears as a quad option. I'm worried they might be a bit too stiff for my lack of back foot power - would it be better to look at the AM2 Honeycombs if that's the case? I usually ride my DD as a thruster for better waves and as a quad for weaker waves.

Should I be looking at medium size fins? I've never been so confused because I've always just surfed standard FCS1 fins made locally that don't provide all the options of the Futures brand.

Any info would be very welcome.

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Welcome to the futures club

AM2 honeycomb . Used as a set or just the sides with a smaller trailer / good waves or grovel waves

Upright set like the new legacy pivots . Great set that includes a smaller trailer that could be used with other sets

Some quad trailers . If u are using Pyzel board as your platform ( hi Greg) then 80/20 foil rears are a good starting point

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Hi retodd, and thanks for the quick reply. So the thrusters are settled then, I'm going to go with the AM2 honeycombs. I like that the center fin is smaller - I've used a smaller center for so long now I'd feel weird running the same size on all three. We don't have legacy pivots available here so they're not an option.

So for the quads a medium with 80/20... the 4" QD2 blackstix? Is it normal to always pair a medium quad with a large front? On my puddlejumper I have large fronts and small rears and that seems to work pretty well. I guess it's all so subjective, and the tail on that thing is so wide maybe the smaller rears allow for sharper turns.

So many fins... my family is gonna love how easy it is to make me happy at birthdays and Christmas over the next couple years.

Re: 1st Pyzel, 1st Futures box [Re: retodd] #2950318
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Pyzel "Platforms" are Pyzel FCS compatible now !


Re: 1st Pyzel, 1st Futures box [Re: balfour] #2950343
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Originally Posted by balfour
Hi retodd, and thanks for the quick reply. So the thrusters are settled then, I'm going to go with the AM2 honeycombs. I like that the center fin is smaller - I've used a smaller center for so long now I'd feel weird running the same size on all three. We don't have legacy pivots available here so they're not an option.

So for the quads a medium with 80/20... the 4" QD2 blackstix? Is it normal to always pair a medium quad with a large front? On my puddlejumper I have large fronts and small rears and that seems to work pretty well. I guess it's all so subjective, and the tail on that thing is so wide maybe the smaller rears allow for sharper turns.

So many fins... my family is gonna love how easy it is to make me happy at birthdays and Christmas over the next couple years.


I like AM2 for thruster set up and WCT fronts with these rears for (most) quads...

https://www.trueames.com/collection...y-patterson-rear-quad-futures-compatible

For solid surf these....

https://www.trueames.com/collections/quad-fins-1/products/rear-quad-futures-compatible


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Re: 1st Pyzel, 1st Futures box [Re: balfour] #2950344
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Both of those are less than 4" tall

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Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately neither of those is available here. Had never actually heard of true ames before!

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I really like these in my Phantom: https://captainfin.com/collections/thrusters/products/dane-reynolds-1 . They're sold out on the captain fin website, but you can probably find them at other shops or websites. I also like the futures John John and these https://captainfin.com/collections/thrusters/products/dion-agius-flowers-st-black in bigger, punchier surf

I'm a little bit lighter than you, quite a bit shorter, and my phantom is a 5'7"

Re: 1st Pyzel, 1st Futures box [Re: Duffy] #2950410
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in what situations do you use flat foil vs. 80/20?


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Originally Posted by balfour
Hi retodd, and thanks for the quick reply. So the thrusters are settled then, I'm going to go with the AM2 honeycombs. I like that the center fin is smaller - I've used a smaller center for so long now I'd feel weird running the same size on all three. We don't have legacy pivots available here so they're not an option.

So for the quads a medium with 80/20... the 4" QD2 blackstix? Is it normal to always pair a medium quad with a large front? On my puddlejumper I have large fronts and small rears and that seems to work pretty well. I guess it's all so subjective, and the tail on that thing is so wide maybe the smaller rears allow for sharper turns.

So many fins... my family is gonna love how easy it is to make me happy at birthdays and Christmas over the next couple years.


I like AM2 for thruster set up and WCT fronts with these rears for (most) quads...

https://www.trueames.com/collection...y-patterson-rear-quad-futures-compatible

For solid surf these....

https://www.trueames.com/collections/quad-fins-1/products/rear-quad-futures-compatible