REMINDER: Siteowner has no obligation to monitor the Forums. However, Siteowner reserves the right to review the Materials submitted to or posted on the Forums, and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such Materials, in its sole discretion and for any reason whatsoever, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. Siteowner has no obligation to display or post any Materials provided by you. Siteowner reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or Materials that Siteowner deems necessary or appropriate to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, contract obligation, legal or dispute process or government request. To further read the rules and terms of agreement of this Forum, click here.

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l #2942915
04/16/19 11:01 PM
04/16/19 11:01 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
I know the XTR will be more durable. What other qualities would an XTR win over for a simi step up? I looking at just the 8.0 with the wood stringer. How would that compare, in feel, to a 4+4 deck 4 bottom PU poly construction?

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2942916
04/16/19 11:01 PM
04/16/19 11:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
My stepup 6'6 ghost is 8.0 and it feels really good when I need it. Feels like a good PU, but obviously more durable.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2942917
04/16/19 11:02 PM
04/16/19 11:02 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
*wood stringered

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2942923
04/16/19 11:18 PM
04/16/19 11:18 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 15,761
R
retodd Offline
Duke status
retodd  Offline
Duke status
***
R

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 15,761
I think pu pe will feel best but the xtr will win the durability challenge

If you are going custom anyways

Then it might be a toss up cause on your pu you can order all s cloth and a denser blank ( like a US blanks blue vs. an ultralight red ) also some pu guys use excellent quality glass shops like the lab , global , or Hawkenson

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2942924
04/16/19 11:19 PM
04/16/19 11:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
J
jkb Offline
Phil Edwards status
jkb  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
J

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
I think XTRs 8.0 would feel closer to a 6x4oz top and 4oz bottom poly.

8.C will feel more like 4x4oz top and 4oz. bottom poly.

I have the 8.C on my step up (wood stringer) and it feels really good.

I’m on the lighter side of the scale though at 160lbs.

What do you weight?


Legal Disclaimer: jkb's posts are written by his Posting Agent, whose views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of jkb.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2942933
04/16/19 11:37 PM
04/16/19 11:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
I’m 160 as well. If I go poly I can get the board I want OTR. I’m looking at the lost Retro Ripper btw. Any thoughts on the glassing they use? Is it durable? I have a Flying Manta in the wired tech and really like it so I was wanting some insight from XTR users. Thanks for the replies so far.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2942982
04/17/19 01:46 AM
04/17/19 01:46 AM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 15,761
R
retodd Offline
Duke status
retodd  Offline
Duke status
***
R

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 15,761
Stock ....lost have 4 warp and 4 e deck
4 e bottom
Arctic yellow density blank
Applecore 3mm stinger

At 160 it should be plenty strong

Plus ...lost has really tightened up the glassing / sanding ..... no issues like they once had

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943024
04/17/19 04:00 AM
04/17/19 04:00 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
A
Aruka Offline
Miki Dora status
Aruka  Offline
Miki Dora status
***
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
I have two ghosts in 8.C and they're great.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943032
04/17/19 04:07 AM
04/17/19 04:07 AM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
Aruka, I been meaning to ask, did your recent 8.C boards come out significantly lighter than your previous 8.C's?

My IF-15 came out way lighter than my Ghost in 8.C or my Tomo's in 8.C. Kinda bummed on how light it is. Only difference is that it's airbrushed and that it's the first board I got from them since last Summer. So either it's a new thing or an airbrush thing.

Last edited by Racer1; 04/17/19 04:10 AM.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943038
04/17/19 04:24 AM
04/17/19 04:24 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
A
Aruka Offline
Miki Dora status
Aruka  Offline
Miki Dora status
***
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
My IF-15 and Gremlin don't seem significantly lighter than my Ghosts. They both came out super chunky in the rails though and I haven't clicked with either one.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: retodd] #2943171
04/17/19 03:22 PM
04/17/19 03:22 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,409
Rbeach
R
rowjimmytour Offline
Miki Dora status
rowjimmytour  Offline
Miki Dora status
**
R

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 5,409
Rbeach
Originally Posted by retodd
I think pu pe will feel best but the xtr will win the durability challenge

If you are going custom anyways

Then it might be a toss up cause on your pu you can order all s cloth and a denser blank ( like a US blanks blue vs. an ultralight red ) also some pu guys use excellent quality glass shops like the lab , global , or Hawkenson

Sorry highjack but shrug how about xtr -VS- pu/epoxy w/ S glass I would go heavier but say 4/4 4 wave2


There's a time to shit and a time for God
The last shit I took was pretty fooking' odd!
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943198
04/17/19 03:57 PM
04/17/19 03:57 PM
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,118
S
sh3 Offline
Gerry Lopez status
sh3  Offline
Gerry Lopez status
*
S

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,118
I've got an XTR step up... not made for Simi Valley or anything, but it works. XTR boards have a tendency to get chattery in larger conditions with texture. PU/PE is more forgiving and dampening... but it depends upon what you're used to. The XTR I have isn't my favorite for those conditions as a result.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: Aruka] #2943259
04/17/19 05:56 PM
04/17/19 05:56 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 694
California
D
deforest Offline
Nep status
deforest  Offline
Nep status
*
D

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 694
California
Originally Posted by Aruka
My IF-15 and Gremlin don't seem significantly lighter than my Ghosts. They both came out super chunky in the rails though and I haven't clicked with either one.

My Hydroshort came out thick in the rails too. I've learned to deal with it, but it was noticeably thicker than my other boards (OTR) with the same thickness. It was also extremely light-weight. But I've gotten used to it. Might have something to do with the new machine they got a while back?


Instagram: @deforestcooper
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: deforest] #2943323
04/17/19 07:37 PM
04/17/19 07:37 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
Originally Posted by deforest
Originally Posted by Aruka
My IF-15 and Gremlin don't seem significantly lighter than my Ghosts. They both came out super chunky in the rails though and I haven't clicked with either one.

My Hydroshort came out thick in the rails too. I've learned to deal with it, but it was noticeably thicker than my other boards (OTR) with the same thickness. It was also extremely light-weight. But I've gotten used to it. Might have something to do with the new machine they got a while back?



My new 8.C is noticeable lighter than the 8.C I got last summer. It almost feels like a lightly glassed EPS. Would be fine if I my local wasn't one of the windiest spots on the island (usually 15-20mph trades blowing sideshore). I'm slowly getting used to it, but my older ones are perfect in the wind. It's also messing with how I'm going to order my Rusty blade. Don't want to order 8.0.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: Racer1] #2943326
04/17/19 07:46 PM
04/17/19 07:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Originally Posted by Racer1
Originally Posted by deforest
Originally Posted by Aruka
My IF-15 and Gremlin don't seem significantly lighter than my Ghosts. They both came out super chunky in the rails though and I haven't clicked with either one.

My Hydroshort came out thick in the rails too. I've learned to deal with it, but it was noticeably thicker than my other boards (OTR) with the same thickness. It was also extremely light-weight. But I've gotten used to it. Might have something to do with the new machine they got a while back?



My new 8.C is noticeable lighter than the 8.C I got last summer. It almost feels like a lightly glassed EPS. Would be fine if I my local wasn't one of the windiest spots on the island (usually 15-20mph trades blowing sideshore). I'm slowly getting used to it, but my older ones are perfect in the wind. It's also messing with how I'm going to order my Rusty blade. Don't want to order 8.0.


Did they give you 8.C Team this time around maybe?

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943331
04/17/19 07:52 PM
04/17/19 07:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: Racer1] #2943333
04/17/19 07:56 PM
04/17/19 07:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Originally Posted by Racer1
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.


Let us know what they say. I just ordered a board with 8.C Team glassing last week so wondering how light it'll be. Don't need it to be as damp as PU, but I was hoping it'd be a little less chattery than a light EPS board. We shall see.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: bird.] #2943335
04/17/19 08:01 PM
04/17/19 08:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
Originally Posted by bird.
Originally Posted by Racer1
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.


Let us know what they say. I just ordered a board with 8.C Team glassing last week so wondering how light it'll be. Don't need it to be as damp as PU, but I was hoping it'd be a little less chattery than a light EPS board. We shall see.



I'll let you know, but you might want to change it to regular 8.C. If I had a scale, I'd weigh the new one versus my old ones.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: bird.] #2943356
04/17/19 09:01 PM
04/17/19 09:01 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
Originally Posted by bird.
Originally Posted by Racer1
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.


Let us know what they say. I just ordered a board with 8.C Team glassing last week so wondering how light it'll be. Don't need it to be as damp as PU, but I was hoping it'd be a little less chattery than a light EPS board. We shall see.



From Shey:

"We now have a new digital scale in the factory and after each step the board is weighed, to have accountability on weight per step.
That has made our boards a bit lighter then some of the previous batches and moving forward 8.C glassing should stay inline with your T patt, if the boards are comparable in size. "

I'm definitely switching to 8.0 from now on.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: rowjimmytour] #2943361
04/17/19 09:06 PM
04/17/19 09:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 15,761
R
retodd Offline
Duke status
retodd  Offline
Duke status
***
R

Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 15,761
Originally Posted by rowjimmytour
Originally Posted by retodd
I think pu pe will feel best but the xtr will win the durability challenge

If you are going custom anyways

Then it might be a toss up cause on your pu you can order all s cloth and a denser blank ( like a US blanks blue vs. an ultralight red ) also some pu guys use excellent quality glass shops like the lab , global , or Hawkenson

Sorry highjack but shrug how about xtr -VS- pu/epoxy w/ S glass I would go heavier but say 4/4 4 wave2


Depends but for the the sake of this topic we will say its a top quality glass shop and a shaper who is mindful of blank selection .

The pu / scloth epoxy lam will feel better and last longer .


Last edited by retodd; 04/17/19 09:08 PM. Reason: Me dumb dumb gramer
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: Racer1] #2943362
04/17/19 09:07 PM
04/17/19 09:07 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Originally Posted by Racer1
Originally Posted by bird.
Originally Posted by Racer1
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.


Let us know what they say. I just ordered a board with 8.C Team glassing last week so wondering how light it'll be. Don't need it to be as damp as PU, but I was hoping it'd be a little less chattery than a light EPS board. We shall see.



From Shey:

"We now have a new digital scale in the factory and after each step the board is weighed, to have accountability on weight per step.
That has made our boards a bit lighter then some of the previous batches and moving forward 8.C glassing should stay inline with your T patt, if the boards are comparable in size. "

I'm definitely switching to 8.0 from now on.


Good info. Thanks for sharing shaka

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: bird.] #2943410
04/17/19 10:25 PM
04/17/19 10:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
A
Aruka Offline
Miki Dora status
Aruka  Offline
Miki Dora status
***
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
Originally Posted by bird.
Originally Posted by Racer1
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.


Let us know what they say. I just ordered a board with 8.C Team glassing last week so wondering how light it'll be. Don't need it to be as damp as PU, but I was hoping it'd be a little less chattery than a light EPS board. We shall see.


I got an 8.C Team Phantom like 4-5 months ago and it's pretty light but it's definitely not as light or chattery as a lightly glassed EPS build. I dig it and haven't noticed too much downside in bumpy conditions. Thinking of getting a Shadow or something similar soon and was planning on 8.C Team glass job for it. Keep us posted. Also, what'd ya order?

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: Aruka] #2943416
04/17/19 10:43 PM
04/17/19 10:43 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Originally Posted by Aruka
Originally Posted by bird.
Originally Posted by Racer1
That's what I was thinking, but it doesn't say that on the rail logos. I just emailed them about it.


Let us know what they say. I just ordered a board with 8.C Team glassing last week so wondering how light it'll be. Don't need it to be as damp as PU, but I was hoping it'd be a little less chattery than a light EPS board. We shall see.


I got an 8.C Team Phantom like 4-5 months ago and it's pretty light but it's definitely not as light or chattery as a lightly glassed EPS build. I dig it and haven't noticed too much downside in bumpy conditions. Thinking of getting a Shadow or something similar soon and was planning on 8.C Team glass job for it. Keep us posted. Also, what'd ya order?


Good feedback. Thanks bruh. I'll stick with my original order and see how it goes.

Mine's going to be a Phantom too.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: bird.] #2943524
04/18/19 04:06 AM
04/18/19 04:06 AM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
A
Aruka Offline
Miki Dora status
Aruka  Offline
Miki Dora status
***
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
Originally Posted by bird.

Mine's going to be a Phantom too.


Killer, can't wait to hear your feedback

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943587
04/18/19 02:36 PM
04/18/19 02:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
J
jkb Offline
Phil Edwards status
jkb  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
J

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
If I may ask Bird and Aruka....what is the motivation behind getting the 8.C Team glassing? Are you looking for a lighter board? A different flex? Both?


Legal Disclaimer: jkb's posts are written by his Posting Agent, whose views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of jkb.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: jkb] #2943628
04/18/19 04:23 PM
04/18/19 04:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Light weight was my main reason. Liking an EPS daily driver I've been riding for a while and wanted to see how XTR compared as a construction. Durability's not really a big factor for me.

Open to considering a change to my order if there's a case to be made that the heavier glassing's a better call.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943638
04/18/19 04:42 PM
04/18/19 04:42 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
J
jkb Offline
Phil Edwards status
jkb  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
J

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
What about the HD blue stringer or the parallel carbon to reduce weight (this is assuming you’re getting a wood stringer)?


Legal Disclaimer: jkb's posts are written by his Posting Agent, whose views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of jkb.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: jkb] #2943641
04/18/19 04:44 PM
04/18/19 04:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Originally Posted by jkb
What about the HD blue stringer or the parallel carbon to reduce weight (this is assuming you’re getting a wood stringer)?


Those just look too snappable to me (and $$$), plus I'm trying to maintain some continuity of feel with what I've got experience with (wood stringered PUPE and EPS.) shrug

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943646
04/18/19 04:51 PM
04/18/19 04:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
J
jkb Offline
Phil Edwards status
jkb  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
J

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
Fair enough. Interested to hear how the team glassing goes.


Legal Disclaimer: jkb's posts are written by his Posting Agent, whose views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of jkb.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: jkb] #2943651
04/18/19 05:02 PM
04/18/19 05:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
A
Aruka Offline
Miki Dora status
Aruka  Offline
Miki Dora status
***
A

Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,458
PNW
Originally Posted by jkb
If I may ask Bird and Aruka....what is the motivation behind getting the 8.C Team glassing? Are you looking for a lighter board? A different flex? Both?


I had pretty much the same reasoning as Bird. I really like the liveliness and responsiveness of EPS in under head high surf. I also really like lightweight PU builds but I crush them so fast it and it kinda bums me out. I have a few fishy boards and a GX from Stamps that are all EPS and they all go really well for me. I already had a Ghost in 8.C that I liked and I wanted to see how a lighter weight XTR would compare. For me the 8.C team feels like something between a lightly glassed PU and an EPS build. I've ridden the crap out of my Phantom and it's holding up well, much better than a lightly glassed PU would. Might even be more durable than EPS. It does have some dents on the deck side of the nose from random bonks but the bottom is cherry and the footwells are still minimal. For grovelling I still like EPS but it was really nice when I was traveling this winter to be riding the XTR phantom daily and then hop on the XTR ghost when it got bigger and it felt like there was no transition as there sometimes is when switching between builds.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2943693
04/18/19 05:34 PM
04/18/19 05:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 694
California
D
deforest Offline
Nep status
deforest  Offline
Nep status
*
D

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 694
California
I'm not that heavy (145lbs) and I mainly surf oside which doesnt get too big very often and I buckled a 8.C with the blue stringer right down the middle. It was an older 8.C from maybe 3 years ago, but still.
I always get 8.0 from now on. They are still super light and strong. I dropped my board the other day and I was like "$hit... thats a trip to the repair shop for sure" and the board just had some scratches and small spider cracks. Nothing crazy at all and i was super surprised. I have parallel carbon so I think that helps keep it more light weight. shaka


Instagram: @deforestcooper
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944080
04/19/19 10:39 AM
04/19/19 10:39 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
So what it sounds like and correct me if i'm wrong, in relation to dampness / chatter level: 8.C Team will be dampest and 8.0 will be the least damp? I'm only asking about XTR, not comparing to any other build.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944083
04/19/19 10:58 AM
04/19/19 10:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 18,681
West of the Atlantic. East of...
G
GromsDad Offline
Duke status
GromsDad  Offline
Duke status
**
G

Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 18,681
West of the Atlantic. East of...
I don't know what waves the original poster intends this step up for but in my region waves that call for a step up usually involve stiff offshore winds, wetsuits and heavy takeoffs. That being said a well glassed PU that has some weight to it is the way to go around here


“I always thank God I didn't go to film school because I would have learned that I couldn't be doing what I've been doing already.” - Bruce Brown,
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944084
04/19/19 10:59 AM
04/19/19 10:59 AM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,768
Your moms house
D
Duffy Offline
Phil Edwards status
Duffy  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
D

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,768
Your moms house
What’s a “simi stepup”?

Is this for surfing in Simi Valley?


No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn

- The Wasp
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944100
04/19/19 11:50 AM
04/19/19 11:50 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
Matt Biolos describes the Retro Ripper as a utility / simi step up. It's a board in between a HPSB and a step up. The type of waves I intend to use this type of board will be Gulf of Mexico and East coast Tropical Storm / Hurricane swells. HH to about DOH.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944103
04/19/19 11:54 AM
04/19/19 11:54 AM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
This is from the Lost website:

The RETRO RIPPER is a scaled down version of the Retro gun, with a wider, more playful, winged, round pin tail. Designed as an everyday utility board to semi-step up. A great travel board, that can handle some size, and a wide variety of conditions. The target surfer for this board is once again the guy who tends to rides wider, thicker, high volume, relaxed rocker boards in small, daily surf…and struggles to find a suitable board for bigger, better, or more challenging days. Very well suited for solid East Coast hurricane and winter swells, crowded head high beach breaks, long winding points and really excels in strong offshore winds, or choppy, windy conditions.

Similar features to the RetroGun:

• Flat, stable deck with full, steep, low apex rails = Paddle power and edge control.

• Low entry rocker with accelerated tail rocker. Fast out the gate, yet turns tight in the pocket.

• Rolled vee in nose, flat under front foot, and a deep double concave vee cutting through the tail rocker. Slice though windchop and allow the higher volume to sit low in the water.

• Winged round pin tail = A release point to keep the board loose. It quickens up turns in moderate surf, without being detrimental in larger waves.

The overall look, feel and vibe is once again very reminiscent of boards I built for myself (and a few brave friends) in the ‘80’s, for surfing in better days from Trestles to Salt Creek, and down to Mexico. A very user-friendly board, suited for surfers looking for a fast, fun, easy to paddle, alternative, that really works best when most hybrids are reaching their effective wave size limits. Adding to the fun, the RetroRipper comes standard with era specific, vintage ‘80’s “Mayhem”, …Lost spiral and rail logos.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944168
04/19/19 02:34 PM
04/19/19 02:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,093
around san diego
S
sd_101 Offline
Michael Peterson status
sd_101  Offline
Michael Peterson status
***
S

Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,093
around san diego
I’ll be honest, this thread kinda made me want an XTR less, not more.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: GromsDad] #2944194
04/19/19 03:42 PM
04/19/19 03:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 752
C
crotchgrab Offline
Nep status
crotchgrab  Offline
Nep status
**
C

Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 752
Originally Posted by GromsDad
I don't know what waves the original poster intends this step up for but in my region waves that call for a step up usually involve stiff offshore winds, wetsuits and heavy takeoffs. That being said a well glassed PU that has some weight to it is the way to go around here


I have a ghost in stringered xtr that is about the same weight as my PU's. Been riding since last summer when I was still out west, then back to the East coast in time for hurricane season... It's been the absolute best board I've owned in years for our stiff offshore nor'easters.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: sd_101] #2944296
04/19/19 07:13 PM
04/19/19 07:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 265
M
MrDobalina Offline
Legend (inyourownmind)
MrDobalina  Offline
Legend (inyourownmind)
M

Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 265
Originally Posted by sd_101
I’ll be honest, this thread kinda made me want an XTR less, not more.



My sentiments exactly

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944300
04/19/19 07:35 PM
04/19/19 07:35 PM
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,768
Your moms house
D
Duffy Offline
Phil Edwards status
Duffy  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
D

Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,768
Your moms house
Quote
HH to about DOH.


So a regular short board?


No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn

- The Wasp
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944490
04/20/19 02:56 PM
04/20/19 02:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,283
G
Goodfish Offline
Gerry Lopez status
Goodfish  Offline
Gerry Lopez status
***
G

Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,283
Originally Posted by brycor564
I know the XTR will be more durable. What other qualities would an XTR win over for a simi step up? I looking at just the 8.0 with the wood stringer. How would that compare, in feel, to a 4+4 deck 4 bottom PU poly construction?


I've had my two SL-CKs (Hydronaut and Hydroshort) at pumping surf in Sumatra for the last two weeks. Other people's boards were getting creased and snapped regularly, but those two stood up to the test. Really showed me how strong Javier's boards are. Definitely don't need to only rely on a wooden stringer for strength.


The cure for anything is salt water: sweat, tears or the sea.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2944683
04/21/19 02:03 PM
04/21/19 02:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,925
San Francisco
K
kool-aid Offline
Michael Peterson status
kool-aid  Offline
Michael Peterson status
***
K

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,925
San Francisco
I've been riding an 8c SL-CK phantom in pumping ocean beach and this week at HTs in Indo and I have zero fear whatsoever about it being eaier to snap than a PU board with a stringer. In fact, I stripped the wax off today and even though I've been riding this board for a while, literally ZERO pressure dents. My PU radius that's maybe on it's 6th session already has a solid toe well. If you're going XTR spend the extra bucks and get one of SL-CK constructions. The construction feels amazing and has a really really nice flex pattern.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945342
04/23/19 04:43 PM
04/23/19 04:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
J
jkb Offline
Phil Edwards status
jkb  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
J

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,101
Oceansuck
Plus, wood stringers can be inconsistent with hard and soft spots.

If you take the wood stringer out and replace it with high density foam or carbon, you can potentially reduce some variability from board to board.


Legal Disclaimer: jkb's posts are written by his Posting Agent, whose views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of jkb.
Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945400
04/23/19 06:19 PM
04/23/19 06:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 752
C
crotchgrab Offline
Nep status
crotchgrab  Offline
Nep status
**
C

Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 752
Got absolutely tossed, sent over the falls in the lip on one of my last waves of my second session yesterday. It was an absolute standout set wave. I made such solid contact with my board straight to my left glute while heading for the bottom after getting sucked back over that it’s all swollen and a bit of a pain to walk today. I was certain my board was going to be in 2 peices when I surfaced.
...not a single mark on it! I was riding XTR sl-ck.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945405
04/23/19 06:26 PM
04/23/19 06:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,102
cold
T
trevorbc Offline
Michael Peterson status
trevorbc  Offline
Michael Peterson status
**
T

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,102
cold
Originally Posted by brycor564
I’m 160 as well. If I go poly I can get the board I want OTR. I’m looking at the lost Retro Ripper btw. Any thoughts on the glassing they use? Is it durable? I have a Flying Manta in the wired tech and really like it so I was wanting some insight from XTR users. Thanks for the replies so far.


Is the retro ripper really meant to be a step up? I suppose any model can be stretched to be one but that seems like an interesting choice.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: trevorbc] #2945406
04/23/19 06:28 PM
04/23/19 06:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
B
bird. Offline
Phil Edwards status
bird.  Offline
Phil Edwards status
**
B

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 6,641
LA
Originally Posted by trevorbc
Is the retro ripper really meant to be a step up? I suppose any model can be stretched to be one but that seems like an interesting choice.


I've learned from the erBB that shortboards are now either semi step ups or step up grovelers these days.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945412
04/23/19 06:35 PM
04/23/19 06:35 PM
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,102
cold
T
trevorbc Offline
Michael Peterson status
trevorbc  Offline
Michael Peterson status
**
T

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,102
cold
I can’t keep up. Lol

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945470
04/23/19 08:11 PM
04/23/19 08:11 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 372
W
Waterlogged05 Offline
Legend (inyourownmind)
Waterlogged05  Offline
Legend (inyourownmind)
***
W

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 372
I personally ride a Round tail Sub Uber Driver XL swallow nose its a semi-step up groveler for those days in negative knee high to triple over waist kegs

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945496
04/23/19 08:39 PM
04/23/19 08:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
Hey guys, how about you ask Matt Biolas what he considers a the Retro Ripper to be. I've already posted earlier directly from his website. If your not okay with him classifying it as a simi step up. Take it up with him. I'm just going off the description from the website and it fits the bill for what I want.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945579
04/23/19 10:46 PM
04/23/19 10:46 PM
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
R
Racer1 Offline
Phil Edwards status
Racer1  Offline
Phil Edwards status
***
R

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 6,568
Honolulu, Hawaii
I think a board that is your height, but extra volume under the chest and a pulled in pintail make for a good step up in ledgey waves without a lot of current.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945583
04/23/19 11:06 PM
04/23/19 11:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 62
4
46dNorth Offline
Grom
46dNorth  Offline
Grom
4

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 62
I have a Gary Linden step-up XTR 7.0 sanded finish (should have gotten gloss coat). Surfed it in Mexico and PR and SoCal El Nino a couple years ago and bigger PNW each year. So, lots of chatter potential. Board is smooth and sure in chop. It feels livelier than a similar-sized PU I have of a different shaper....FWIW. I'm 170#. I generally prefer epoxies though.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945812
04/24/19 03:52 PM
04/24/19 03:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
B
brycor564 Offline OP
Grom
brycor564  Offline OP
Grom
B

Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 67
Thanks for all the feedback. I'm fixing to place my order for either 8.0 or 8 C with wooden stringer. Sounds like the SL-CK is really nice but I'm going to stick with the wood for now. I talked to Shea and being a first time customer they are giving $50 off on my first order. That's pretty nice...it will cover shipping.

Re: XTR or PU/Poly For Simi Step Up?l [Re: brycor564] #2945940
04/24/19 07:10 PM
04/24/19 07:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 694
California
D
deforest Offline
Nep status
deforest  Offline
Nep status
*
D

Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 694
California
Yew!!! Stoked Brycor564. I had a 5'6" Hydronaut with a wooden stringer 8.0 and it felt solid in bigger waves. Enjoy the purchase. XTR is great! shaka


Instagram: @deforestcooper
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4