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Re: Foil Session Logs [Re: Kaser1] #2958078
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So you had to take off? Round a buoy for that wave to count? Then pump back out to another buoy before you could catch the next wave?

Super fun today for the foil. I'm not even sure I know what to look for to ride a normal surfboard anymore. I did a backside bottom turn top turn combo that felt like a real turn though. So fun.


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Originally Posted by Hdip
I've always had it set to neutral. The wing does not pump well. You have to kick out just right carrying a lot of speed. Then you can put in a lot of effort and sometimes make it to the next wave. I make about half of the ones I try for if today is anything to go for. Had a chance at 6. Made 3 of them. It helps if you can go over a reef that boils back up at you. Or you time backwash just right to get an extra boost out. I'm 185# so maybe it's a bit small for me to really pump on.

I do have the foil set 3/4's of the way forward in my tracks. Being able to get my back foot behind the mast helps me so much on turns and steep drops. Pumping I definitely move my back foot on top or in front of the mast though. There's a definite depth sweet spot where you're just right at the top of the mast without breeching. Hard to keep the foil there though.

I'm very tempted to go to San O June 2nd just so that I can try other foils. Axis demo's at the least. I probably won't be able to make it though. If I knew there would be Lift demo's I'd probably make a greater effort to get there.


Come on Hdip, you should come to sano june 2nd, it is a good opportunity to meet others foilers and talk about the same passion. And maybe you will be able to try differents brands fro, others. Being there often, I was able to try, MFC, Lift, Arstrong, Naish !

Regarding pumping back out, Naish L, MFC1275, Lift200, Armstrong1250, are pretty similar. I guess the new MFC and Lift are easier, same size as the IWA. There is no secret, bigger wing makes it easier otherwise it takes lots of practise to master the technique on smaller wings. Hurley brothers use Naish M and L and can do multiple rides.

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Originally Posted by bigmtnbill
can't quite get the 2 for 1's down. I get about halfway to the next wave, before I've lost all my speed.



Go read this thread.

https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,34809.0.html

Here is a pertinent qoute.

I got the unifoil 210 (albatross 210) about a week ago a and have been completely obsessed with it since. I've now used it for 4 good long sessions and what is being discussed hadnt even ocurred to me. To be honest it pumps sooooo good that for the first session I couldnt have given a monkeys how it turns. Im 70kg on a 6'0x26 custom foil board and went from breathlessly connecting one '2 for 1' a session on a Naish large to instantly doing '3 for 1s' and pumping huge distances effortlessly.

To which I say. TAKE MY MONEY NOW!

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Originally Posted by gregfoil
Regarding pumping back out, Naish L, MFC1275, Lift200, Armstrong1250, are pretty similar. I guess the new MFC and Lift are easier, same size as the IWA. There is no secret, bigger wing makes it easier otherwise it takes lots of practice to master the technique on smaller wings. Hurley brothers use Naish M and L and can do multiple rides.


I'm trying greg! @foiltheworld pumps his armstrong 1250 around like mad for multiple wave too. I bought my foil from Ryan Hurley. They're all a couple inches shorter than me and I"m at least 20 pounds heavier. Not to mention those guys tow into bigger waves a lot too. So I'll go with that excuse. I am getting there though. Starting to make much further distances.

I was surprised to see @foiltheworld said he was used to the 1250 and getting the same distance out of that over the 1600 for the pump contest.

As far as San O on June 2nd goes. It's a playdate for my 4 year olds new school, so I sort of have to take her to that to get her used to the school. Hands tied there. Hit me up on Instagram if you want to get a session in by me next week though.

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Originally Posted by Hdip
So you had to take off? Round a buoy for that wave to count? Then pump back out to another buoy before you could catch the next wave?

Super fun today for the foil. I'm not even sure I know what to look for to ride a normal surfboard anymore. I did a backside bottom turn top turn combo that felt like a real turn though. So fun.

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So there were 3 buoys out there, the 2 big yellow ones, and a smaller red one where you paddle into the wave. Wave count was from the red take off, around inside buoy, pump back to red and stop, or pump out to outside yellow and ride one back to inside yellow for a multiple score.

The outside yellow was pretty far out but I made it around it 2 times. They did make adjustments to the buoys after the first round, brought them closer together.

Also the rope lines to the anchors were clipping foils so you had to watch out for that too...


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Back at the local today after trying some other spots and giving the Naish XL wing another shot on the shorter waves.

The Naish L is so easy to jump back onto, it took me almost an hour to acclimate to the ride of the XL a few days ago. Today paddled out, right into a 20+ second ride. Very satisfying day surfing on the foil, even hit a little top turn combo.

Pumping is another matter though, it's official I'm terrible. XL glides with just about any speed once up on foil, I would probably get my 2 for 1 down if i committed to the XL. It's just such a bummer to adjust to the slowness of the ride.


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went back to my smaller board and it felt so much better. The bigger 5'8 i got makes catching bigger waves much easier, but I tend to put my feet too far forward on the board and I have to fight to keep the foil up. switched back to the 4'7 and it felt like I was riding a bigger foil with extra lift. almost got a 2 for 1, had 2 waves where i was able to pump back to the next wave, but was too far out in the channel and there wasn't enough energy in the wave.... baby steps...

have you tried a naish M? curious how it compares to the large

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Originally Posted by grendel95
Back at the local today after trying some other spots and giving the Naish XL wing another shot on the shorter waves.

The Naish L is so easy to jump back onto, it took me almost an hour to acclimate to the ride of the XL a few days ago. Today paddled out, right into a 20+ second ride. Very satisfying day surfing on the foil, even hit a little top turn combo.

Pumping is another matter though, it's official I'm terrible. XL glides with just about any speed once up on foil, I would probably get my 2 for 1 down if i committed to the XL. It's just such a bummer to adjust to the slowness of the ride.





There is something that clicks with pumping. Trying to find a rhythm for swinging your arms seems to really help you go the extra distance. A lot of the Australian Instagram guys use the medium naish and pump far on it. I wonder how it is to ride.

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Looks like Naish foils are slow, for exemple Axis 75 is quite the same as the Naish L but because it is faster it makes pumping back out easier.

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Just borrowed a buddies Armstrong 1200 for a couple waves. Way more lift than the naish L knockoff I'm using. Like 3 times more lift. Everything just felt easier. Turns felt faster and sharper, pumping is easier.

Shit, now I think I gotta spend a lot more money! Haha!

Anyone have any comparisons between the Armstrong and the axis wings?

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Do you guys ever feel like Jeff Clark? He knew that Maverick's was a great wave and wanted people to surf it with him. But at the same time if he tells the world about it, then it will get crowded and out of hand? I'm torn.

It was a bit windy and low tide today so there was no one around, but it was perfect for foiling. One other prone guy I'd never seen before came out halfway through my session. So the foils are showing up. It's gonna get crowded, glad I've had a year with basically no one around already.

Bigmtnbill, I don't think anyone around here has ridden the armstrongs. They do look amazing. If you're going to spend all the money for a new setup though get one that has a high aspect wing. Kuno even says he'd go GL (high aspect) over the Iwa. I will get a new foil at some point. Axis is probably the front runner as I'd hope to get a used setup. Neil Pryde is cheap enough new to be tempting, but Axis has so many options.

Where's the axis high aspect wing review greg?

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Originally Posted by bigmtnbill
Just borrowed a buddies Armstrong 1200 for a couple waves. Way more lift than the naish L knockoff I'm using. Like 3 times more lift. Everything just felt easier. Turns felt faster and sharper, pumping is easier.

Shit, now I think I gotta spend a lot more money! Haha!

Anyone have any comparisons between the Armstrong and the axis wings?


I tried the Armstrong 1200 on a similar board than mine (4'0) but waves were tricky. I didn't like it much actually, not enought lift and not enought glide on slow part of the wave, but I just got couples waves on it, maybe not enought for a good review. I would put the Arsmtrong with the same categorie as MFCM/L and Lift170/200, great foil but definetly technical for pumping back out and connect waves, or you need proper wave (at least for me). But I'm used to ride the Gofoil IWA which is way bigger and super easy for pumping. I also foil on small mushy wave. Maybe I'm just too lazy to get used to a technical foil.
I wouldbe good to hear from Dave and Steve as they both ride MFCM and Armstrong1200, they would give a really good report and I don't think they are on the forum, I will ask them next time.

I'm not sponsored by Axis, I'm just trying as they have a demo that I can use. For me the Axis75 felt really good because
connecting waves was easy, not as easy as the GF IWA but easier than MFC or Lift or Naish L. It turns better than the IWA and it is faster. This is the size I was looking for, bigger than Kai wing and smaller than IWA.

But lately I tried the Axis900 hight aspect wing. I really liked it, good speed (except when the wave push too much, it reaches a lower top speed so it gives you the feeling of going slow).It is super forgiving on steep take off, really good glide (no need to pump on the wave to speed up), easy to pump back out to connect wave. And the best is it carves super good and smooth on the upcoming wave when you connect, I had the best carving turn ever on it (and you know this is the best feeling ever !!).
Turning is like the IWA, good on mushy part of the wave, tricky on steep part (maybe when you get used to it, it gets easier).

I think for me a good combo would be the Axis75 for ''good'' waves and Axis900 for small waves when I use my 4'3 (which is 90%). Axis900 when I use my 5'10 SUP for all conditions. And Axis92 or the new 1000 for SUP dw.

Now I would like to try the Signature Albatross210 and the new GoFil GL.

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Hdip, yeah that's my thought too, especially considering I could get the axis with 2 wings for the same price as one Armstrong. My other thought is get a used gofoil setup and hope I can get a new gl wing that fits it. But the idea of having to drill new holes or modify something to make it fit scares me.

Thanks for the info Greg, do you think you can downwind the 900?

I'd be curious to hear from everyone on here about which wing they'd buy if they had to start over from scratch knowing what they know now. When considering price, available wings(or almost available), reviews, etc what would you purchase and why?

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okok rode an Axis 100 while i was nursing my toe injury. my buddy has a full Axis setup and just got the 100. We swapped for about 4 waves, I can say it pumps out pretty darn good. On the turn it was like rolling a GF200, very sluggish.


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