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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: BillyOcean] #2937483
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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
There is fundamental disagreement on whether this is our problem




If people keep showing up at the border, it is our problem. That's why the Trumbies need to develop a plan.


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: GromsDad] #2937490
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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: BillyOcean] #2937493
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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
There’s a plan, just not your plan

Do tell?

Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: BillyOcean] #2937501
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Originally Posted by BillyOcean
There’s a plan, just not your plan



Trumby has yet to articulate any policy.


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: FecalFace] #2937515
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Originally Posted by FecalFace
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Originally Posted by tHe rAt
I think it's cute that so many of you believe that most of this money would go towards helping the poor and downtrodden citizens in some very corrupt countries. I'm sure there are a few token programs for the optics but I think if you believe this money does much more than make the super-rich elite upper class rulers of these various disasters much wealthier and even more corrupt you're more than al little naive. I'll lay odds most of the money has been laundered and stashed in offshore accounts in various banking havens for decades. Show the stupid Americans some cooked books and a few soup lines and get very, very wealthy.


Don't forget that it goes to military aid. Let's put it this way: the Salvadoran, Guatemalan and Honduran military's primary missions are not protection from external enemies. The left has traditionally been screaming about this shit since the 70s. Now the aid is all sunshine & butterflies? The Fecals are either stupid or liars on this one.


Except you are wrong, that's not where the money is going.

The aid is going to the programs that try and lift people out of poverty, providing education, vocational programs, improving local governance, improving police forces and judicial systems. That's the only way, at least long term, to reduce all of those people who believe that their home is unsafe, and they have to go to the United States.

Not the fvcking $25 billion Wall. foreheadslap

False dichotomies are stupid. Because we send aid to reduce migration is not a reason why there are poor Americans and veterans living on the street. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

Also, spending money to reduce migration actually helps poor Americans.

And it's not just humanitarian aid organizations who defend these programs. Take a listen to Mike McCaul, Republican of Texas, and he's the most senior member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.




Send your money to me, there’s a better chance it gets where it needs to go. Do it for the children.


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: GromsDad] #2937552
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From Toady's Headlines here in NJ: Authorities say Honduran illegal immigrant killed N.J. nanny, dumped her body in a lake

Full story here: https://savejersey.com/2019/04/poli...ape51xvvlD6Xg1joDzKRIqKQYJNQPKY8pTrr7-hg


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: mundus] #2937555
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Originally Posted by mundus
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What if the Cold War was a giant waste of resources that shouldn’t be repeated?

The cold war prevented nuclear destruction, I would say it was worth it. As for a new cold war, that is up to Putin. Do you really think Russia has our best interests in mind?

No it didn't. It brought the world much closer to nuclear war as well as encouraged more nuclear weapon development


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: ifallalot] #2937556
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What if the Cold War was a giant waste of resources that shouldn’t be repeated?

The cold war prevented nuclear destruction, I would say it was worth it. As for a new cold war, that is up to Putin. Do you really think Russia has our best interests in mind?

No it didn't. It brought the world much closer to nuclear war as well as encouraged more nuclear weapon development

Hell of a lot better than using the nukes.

Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: hal9000] #2937557
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Originally Posted by hal9000
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There’s a plan, just not your plan

Trumby has yet to articulate any policy.

There doesn't need to be a policy. They can sit on the border. As of right now, they're Mexico's problem


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: GromsDad] #2937562
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Why is Mexican immigration processing “emergency safe conduct” visas for a group of African immigrants currently at the southern border to allow them to pass through (not stay in) Mexico?


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: ElOgro] #2937567
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Originally Posted by ElOgro
Why is Mexican immigration processing “emergency safe conduct” visas for a group of African immigrants currently at the southern border to allow them to pass through (not stay in) Mexico?

Don't know, you have any ideas?

Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: mundus] #2937569
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Why is Mexican immigration processing “emergency safe conduct” visas for a group of African immigrants currently at the southern border to allow them to pass through (not stay in) Mexico?

Don't know, you have any ideas?


Yes!


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Re: Aid to El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras: DONE [Re: FecalFace] #2937624
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Originally Posted by FecalFace
Facts are not on your side Surfdawg

Can you provide a proof that we have more immigrants coming from the South than "EVER"?.

And what makes you think that if kill the aid programs we won't have MOAR immigration. poke



I said that we're getting more whole families from Centro-AM than ever. Not comparing to past illegal immigrant peaks where majority were single males mostly from Mexico.

What make you think giving even MOAR aid $$$ will make it better than what we're dealing with now?

Someone needs to rattle the cages of these 3rd world corrupt governments with their hands constantly out pleading "it's for the children" violin

Get your shit together already. Mexico has (to a degree). Costa Rica has. Clean up your gang cartels and get back to us if you want more $$$.

And there's this recently updated Q&A just for the "nothing to see here" MSM blinder wearers.....

How many unaccompanied children and families have been apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border?

Apprehensions at the Southwest border grew significantly in the first five months of FY 2019, due to the increase in families seeking asylum. Between October 2018 and February 2019, the most recent period for which data are available, the U.S. Border Patrol apprehended more than 136,000 minor children and adults travelling as family units and about 27,000 unaccompanied children along the Southwest border. This represents a significant uptick over the 107,200 family units and 50,000 unaccompanied children apprehended in all of FY 2018. These children and families are primarily from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.

migrationpolicy.org/statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-US

In other words, the illegal immigration "apprehensions" have more than doubled the rate of last FY 2018. Not counting those that don't get caught.


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