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Backyard/DIY guys: Whats harder, shaping or glassing? #2916923
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Been doing ding repair 40 yrs, but have never glassed a board start to finish. Finally shaped my first board under the guidance of an experienced shaper. It came out ok, I found getting the bottom quarter of the rails and the tuck the most challenging. Id like to try glassing a complete board next. To those that have both shaped and glassed, what so you find more challenging?

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Glassing by far.

Re: Backyard/DIY guys: Whats harder, shaping or glassing? [Re: slopokecr] #2916946
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Glassing (i prefer it). It has more steps and techniques to master which could all F'up the end product. using a router, setting fins, laying/cutting cloth, taping laps, cutting laps, tints, wetting out cloth, wrapping noses and tails, cure times, ratios... you get it.

Ding repair would've taught you a lot of those. Glassing I found I have to be more patient, detail orientated, and scheduled. Also helps to be clean esp. with epoxy. Then the sanding is a whole new set of skills. Pretty sure you could do a decent job. When my buddies want to make a board with me it's always the glassing and sanding where they start to realize the amount of work/skill that goes into a board.

Not saying shaping isn't it's own magical art, but a bad shape could be glassed strong and beautiful, but a bad glass job can ruin magic stick.

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Re: Backyard/DIY guys: Whats harder, shaping or glassing? [Re: slopokecr] #2916970
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sanding is the hardest/worst part imo

(im about 200 boards deep)

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getting a perfect production quality shape is pretty hard to do
there is usually something off with most backyard handshapes
the pros spot them right away
but unless you've got hundred or thousands of shapes under your belt you most likely won't see them.
if you are scrubbing a file cut it's a little bit easier

the problem with glassing is the twisting and getting the right resin to glass ratio usually its too much resin or too little resin in the lam along with pin holes

sanding is a whole nother animal.

I started as a sander and pinliner and almost thought of making it a career out of high school but wised up and went to college.

Must have been the resin, gasoline and acetone fumes


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Shaping is way harder. How do you think a magic board is magic?

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Originally Posted By: JBerry
Shaping is way harder. How do you think a magic board is magic?


by the sander not fooking it up.

and funny thing a lot of so called magic boards have twists or inaccuracies in them.

Re: Backyard/DIY guys: Whats harder, shaping or glassing? [Re: slopokecr] #2917326
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To me glassing is easy but I've been doing it for 30 years this coming July since I shaped and glassed my first board in my parent's driveway. Funny thing is you can still see the outline of the board on my parent's driveway where the resin dripped off the rails. Dang my dad was pissed about that. I learned before there was an internet to hold people's hands.

Shaping is like a haircut. Its easy to cut it off but you can't put it back. Glassing is a snap.


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Originally Posted By: oneula
getting a perfect production quality shape is pretty hard to do
there is usually something off with most backyard handshapes
the pros spot them right away


You are spot on there. we have a few backyard shapers here but can never bring myself to order one. Buying a board from a big brand (lost, CI etc) has become the norm for most people.

The introduction of machines bought perfectly cut boards to the masses and people expect that precision as the norm... hence mine and others' reluctance to buy from backyard guys.

It's a bone of contention these days. Some argue we should stop buying imports and support local shapers, but if the product is inferior, it becomes a matter of principle over your desire to have a top quality board.

sorry. went way off topic again.

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Nothing's easy.

The bottom tuck is tricky because one bad pass of the planer or surform will totally change the rail's shape.

Doing smooth pin lines is really difficult. Takes a really good eye.

Glassing e-wings is tricky too.

Sanding bonzers is dangerous.

And try getting a gloss with epoxy.

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Shaping, glassing, sanding all have their challenges. For me, shaping seems to be the most difficult to replicate, outside of a machine shape.
For you slopokecr, with experience doing ding repairs, i'd think that the glassing portion would be easy to figure out.

Now sanding, as some have suggested, could very well be the hardest part of them all!

Realistically though, within each stage of building a surfboard, consistancy and knowledge of all tools of the trade is where things get difficult. The more time you put in the better things will get!

Most shapers I know have gotten their shaping start thru the glassing/ding repair trade, with the exception of some.
It still amazes me that some shapers don't even know how to glass a board.......

Shaping has always been the shining star of the surfboard industry, however, the GLASSING part of the industry really is the unsung hero behind the scenes!

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Everything after the shaping process are the things I enjoy the most. Setting fins and fin boxes, glassing, sanding and finishing are the strongest parts of my game. Enjoy making fins too.


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It's interesting to hear that sanding is one of the hardest (and most important) jobs in board building when you simultaneously hear that it is an "entry level" position at a glass shop. thought


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Funny stuff huh
setting fins is super important too


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