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#2914710 - 02/17/19 09:50 AM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: Greg Griffin]
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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
"I did try it with a quad but it was terrible, but i'm not a quad guy to begin with."

4 fins , Twins and Thrusters all work great with the right fins .

You would be a "Quad Guy " if you had good help in finning the board .


This. All of my quads have a very specific fin setups and anything else sucks dog balls.
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#2914786 - 02/17/19 12:44 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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Show me a quad set up that I can surf top to bottom with high performance like my thruster and I will be a believer.

I have never found one, especially surfing on by backside.

They are great from me for big barrels or even for cruising in small waves.

Suggest a quad set up and I will try.

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#2914792 - 02/17/19 01:05 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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"Show me a quad set up that I can surf top to bottom with high performance like my thruster and I will be a believer.

I have never found one, especially surfing on by backside."

Because the industry is based on no fins for the board , its been left up you to learn what I have .

Fins that will make your board excel .










High Speed cutback - "Backside"
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#2914820 - 02/17/19 02:51 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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Originally Posted By: thelodge
Show me a quad set up that I can surf top to bottom with high performance like my thruster and I will be a believer.

I have never found one, especially surfing on by backside.

They are great from me for big barrels or even for cruising in small waves.

Suggest a quad set up and I will try.



K 2.1 quad set for one of my boards. Obviously its not going to surf exactly like a thruster but it goes top to bottom no problem. Only real difference between the quad setup and thruster setup is that everything is done with more speed on the quad.

If you dont like going faster then you just keep riding those thrusters.

but like I said, quad sets are board specific.


Edited by Duffy (02/17/19 02:52 PM)
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#2914828 - 02/17/19 03:06 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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If you dont like going faster then you just keep riding those thrusters

Yessir. Thats it right there. It took me quite a bit of experimentation to figure out my preferred setup. Quads are sensitive. But once I figured out what works for me, thrusters have ZERO appeal.

Also +1 to whoever said ditch the jewelry and get a proper set of all fiberglass fins.
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#2914879 - 02/17/19 06:49 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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Stiffer fins have always been the first thing I would try.
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#2914889 - 02/17/19 07:43 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: Colin]
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Originally Posted By: Colin
If you dont like going faster then you just keep riding those thrusters

Yessir. Thats it right there. It took me quite a bit of experimentation to figure out my preferred setup. Quads are sensitive. But once I figured out what works for me, thrusters have ZERO appeal.

Also +1 to whoever said ditch the jewelry and get a proper set of all fiberglass fins.


I have a couple good thrusters. I like thrusters for my small wave boards. Tighter turns.
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#2914900 - 02/17/19 08:12 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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By the way, the AM large fins I used were fiber glass fins made by Rainbow Fin Company.

Suggest a quad set up for my phantom, I will try and lets see how it goes. Im open.

Sometimes I don't want to go faster, I want to stick in the barrel. Thrusters, for me, and a lot of good surfers, is the most high performance top to bottom surfing you will do.

So yes I will stick to my thrusters until I find the right " experimentation" of quads which Griffin is going to help me out with. :-)

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#2914917 - 02/17/19 10:22 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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Happy that the larger fin recommendation worked out for you. It's such a stunning board, it would have been a shame to give up on it too quickly!

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#2915192 - 02/18/19 02:00 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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Originally Posted By: thelodge
I couldn't believe the bigger fins worked, you guys were all right. I never surfed large fins in all my years of surfing, only med.


If you're like me, you'll now end up running large fins in pretty much all your boards wondering how you ever liked medium fins in the first place. cheers

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#2915276 - 02/18/19 03:27 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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Wow for real??🤔

Care to explain that again? Why bigger fins work better??
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#2915289 - 02/18/19 03:44 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: thelodge]
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I'm a thruster guy too. I like the control and the predictability. That being said, I have found some quad sets that work extremely well.

Try the Large AM's in front and Medium Reactor quad rear fins. Thruster like pivot, but with quad benefits.
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#2915398 - 02/18/19 06:24 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: paunch23]
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Originally Posted By: paunch23
Wow for real??🤔

Care to explain that again? Why bigger fins work better??


180lbs+

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#2915404 - 02/18/19 06:38 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: jkb]
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. That being said, I have found some quad sets that work extremely well.

None that come as part of the purchase socrazy


You should ask more of the industry , but just went along with this - creating all this frustration .


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#2915425 - 02/18/19 07:19 PM Re: Pyzel Phantom struggles [Re: Greg Griffin]
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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
. That being said, I have found some quad sets that work extremely well.

None that come as part of the purchase socrazy


You should ask more of the industry , but just went along with this - creating all this frustration .




This...

https://www.cisurfboards.com/surfboards/legacy-lineup/wizard-sleeve/

...came with a set of fins made for it.

And wouldnt you know it, those fins work the best.
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