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Anyone ever report a contractor to CSLB #2912988
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Per the contract, work on our home stairs was supposed to be done by December 7, 2018.

Today we are Fed Ex-ing a 3-ring binder to the California State Licensing Board to ask for some help resolving things that are as of yet undone and overcharged for and not needed (the latter two are our in our opinion).

Anyway, has anyone done this and what was the result?

I don't need a story, just a short "Yes we did and we are glad we did" or a "Yes we did and it made things worse."

Thanks for your time.

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Yes, I'm a flooring contractor and a general contractor had me a do a job and refused to pay. I filed a complaint, and the board threatened to pull his license unless he paid up, which he did. I think as a private citizen, you'll get some action from the board. I don't know that you need to give them a novel though-they are, after all, government employees....next time have a penalty in the contract for every day they are late.

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hopefully it was all done with permits...

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Yes, but in a totally different context. They can pressure people who have something to lose. Not sure if you situation involves the right elements...


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Originally Posted By: 000
hopefully it was all done with permits...


Part of it was.

I can't get an answer from them about other parts, but I doubt it very much..

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assuming he's licensed and bonded you can also go after the guys bond.

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Originally Posted By: Mr Doof
Per the contract, work on our home stairs was supposed to be done by December 7, 2018.

Today we are Fed Ex-ing a 3-ring binder to the California State Licensing Board to ask for some help resolving things that are as of yet undone and overcharged for and not needed (the latter two are our in our opinion).

Anyway, has anyone done this and what was the result?

I don't need a story, just a short "Yes we did and we are glad we did" or a "Yes we did and it made things worse."

Thanks for your time.


How was your communication with the contractor?

What is their reason for not completing the work?


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Yes, call. You can file complaints. I'm a painting contractor and the CSLB exists to help the consumer, I just wish there were more enforcement.....


Why did you wait 2+ months to consider calling CSLB?

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I had a client call them on the plumber. The CSLB are a bunch of lazy fooks. They do their unlicensed contractor stings once in a while, but won't get off their fat government asses to investigate anything.

Did he just abandon the job, or did he screw up? What was the job cost and how much did u pay him?


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Originally Posted By: JBerry
Yes, call. You can file complaints. I'm a painting contractor and the CSLB exists to help the consumer, I just wish there were more enforcement.....


Why did you wait 2+ months to consider calling CSLB?



Because the project was going well until it wasn't.

The excuses seemed reasonable to me: rain, sick employees, other jobs, project mngr hurt his back, and because it is better for me to be trusting than paranoid or think I am being ripped off.

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I had a client call them on the plumber. The CSLB are a bunch of lazy fooks. They do their unlicensed contractor stings once in a while, but won't get off their fat government asses to investigate anything.

Did he just abandon the job, or did he screw up? What was the job cost and how much did u pay him?



Job was to replace the 90 yr old stairs, then investigate front window for rot (repair and replace support if rot found), then paint front room, then paint house. I am in deep over $140K to date.

I believe the problems started when we didn't agree with their change order to replace a support beam for an extra $19K back in December, then started balking at additional charges for things already covered by the stair/painting contracts.

We gave the CSLB a three ring binder with a 7 page complaint cover letter (in addition to the form), and about 200 pages of emails, PDFs, and photos. Kinda of meal on a silver platter we think.




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It might be time to lawyer up, but hopefully not. That's going to cost 5 figures easy, and the guy will counter.

It might be better to cut your losses. Hopefully you are close to getting your monies worth. Unless you were getting a new foundation too, 19k sounds way high to replace a beam; like double what it should be.

P.m. me if you want to know how to finish up the project from here.


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These type of scenerios always make me wonder; how did the customer go about choosing their contractor?

Did they simply choose the lowest bid? Did they ask questions about specific costs? Were potential change orders discussed in advance? Did the contractor point out possible problem areas, (that might get uncovered), during work?

I'm not a contractor but I do some DIY stuff. Every time I take on a DIY home project, something else comes up that needs attention BEFORE I finish. EVERY TIME! It's best to expect problems and have a game plan for how they will be handled in advance. If you wait until after, your contractor has you by the balls.

I'm not saying that you didn't do these things. I'm just giving my 2 cents

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Sorry to hear Mr. Doof! Good luck with the process and hopefully the cslb can help you out.
If you have a lawyer friend, wouldn't hurt to reach out as everysurfr suggests, I'd second that. Unfortunately there are so many bad 'contractors' out there as this is not the first bad story I've heard. Referrals are the way to go!

And good luck with getting your project finished, I'd offer to come paint but we're booked well into May!!
Please keep us posted as I am interested to hear what the CSLB says and does.

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Originally Posted By: ocean7847
Yes, but in a totally different context. They can pressure people who have something to lose. Not sure if you situation involves the right elements...


Like Ocean, I have gotten the CSLB involved in a totally different context. They decided not to bother doing anything about our commercial construction fraud complaint because there was an active lawsuit, which they took to mean they didn't need to bother finding any facts through the administrative process. Waste of our time.

...if you're in $140K at this point, it's probably lawyer time.


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If it goes to court, sounds like it might. It all ends up on who presents the best case. Right or wrong.

Who sways the jury. Have you retained a good lawyer at this point? This can be the make it or break it.


Yes it can be costly. But you need to weigh the cost factor of retaining an attorney to what you you would spend to pick up the pieces left behind by your current contractor. And a good attorney could get you a settlement from your current contractor. A whole new, evil world.

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The current contractor would need to have assets for you to recover.

Worst case is you spend $50,000 to the lawyer, to win a $20,000 judgement to omly collect on the contractors $7,000 bond.


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
The current contractor would need to have assets for you to recover.

Worst case is you spend $50,000 to the lawyer, to win a $20,000 judgement to omly collect on the contractors $7,000 bond.


Exactly.

Right now, they've been reported. We let that play out before we do anything next. Lawyers are last resort (I am a fan of escalation rather just start out with thermonuclear bombs).

They continue to do work, but the thing is, it looks like they are repeating work already done.

What I mean by that is, for example, the contract stated 5/8" plywood on outer wall.

When they put in the plywood, I got out the measuring tape one morning when the company heads were there and showed then that 1/2 was installed. Then they said they'd put 1/2" on the inside wall, and I looked at them wonderingly...how can two 1/2" pieces being cheaper than one 5/8" and the plans and permit say just one 5/8" is required? A week later they put in the 1/2" plywood on the inside wall to compliment the 1/2" on the outside wall. I figure that is now 1" plywood on both sides of teh studs, so that should be better than just one sheet of 5/8" on the outside, right?

Then yesterday I came home to find that the 1/2" plywood on the inside is now gone completely.

It was dumping rain at the time so i didn't check if they put 5/8 up on the outside.

Also, it appears they removed/replaced a new vertical support beam they put in last week...this week old one was laying next to the scaffolding when I came home last night. The new one looks better and sits flush where the other one was poorly installed.

The project really needs their foreman onsite to watch the workers rather than just give them 1/2 hr instructions then take off so work is not repeated....do it right and do it once.

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Originally Posted By: LogHauler
These type of scenerios always make me wonder; how did the customer go about choosing their contractor?

Did they simply choose the lowest bid? Did they ask questions about specific costs? Were potential change orders discussed in advance? Did the contractor point out possible problem areas, (that might get uncovered), during work?

I'm not a contractor but I do some DIY stuff. Every time I take on a DIY home project, something else comes up that needs attention BEFORE I finish. EVERY TIME! It's best to expect problems and have a game plan for how they will be handled in advance. If you wait until after, your contractor has you by the balls.

I'm not saying that you didn't do these things. I'm just giving my 2 cents


We did not go with the cheapest bid nor did we pay another contractor $5000 just to get a bid (this fee would go towards the project if we choose them).

We looked 3 yrs for a good contractor...the licensed and bonded ones were all busy doing soft story retrofits and says to get back to them in a year, and when we did call of few of those back, they told us to call back in another year.....

We got a number of referrals, but most of them were unlicensed 'handyman", so nope, and the others never called back or wouldn't provide a fixed start and end date or wouldn't pull permits ("It is just a govt scam that costs you more.")

It appears there is a few reasons why Home Depot exists and right now, in my current frame of mine, it is because no one cares more about your home and doing a good job at a fair price than the owner of said home.

Oh, and I had figured in a cost overrun of 25% above original contract and an extra month of time from the get go. Over both.....

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Originally Posted By: Mr Doof


It appears there is a few reasons why Home Depot exists and right now, in my current frame of mine, it is because no one cares more about your home and doing a good job at a fair price than the owner of said home.




Indeed!

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Update

1. Got contact letter/information from our case worker at CSLB this Monday past. In the letter they say they have been in contact with the contractor.

2. Got email from contractor by Wednesday and some answers to questions we had previously put in writing to our contractors (and had previously not got an answer back)

3. Contractor had removed the 1/2 inch plywood on the house side of the 'stairs-to be' and put in 3/4 inch ply. Contractor removed the 1/2 inch plywood on exterior side of the stairs-to-be (the plywood had been screwed into the new risers (that had been installed back in November) in January

4. Thursday we had a SF city inspector come by to check out stair progress. inspector asked about front window work (no permit pulled) and asked about "exploratory" stucco removal elsewhere (which was done without consent of owners). Contractor declined to say much more than "We aren't doing any work there." (these points are a primary driver of the complaint)

5. Thursday contractor installed 5/8 plywood on the exterior side of the stairs-to-be. Also handed Sweetie-pie color samples of concrete....she said they were nowhere close to slate and just looked like old freeway concrete. [We had given contractor back in October instructions on the concrete stairs, both color and finish. If 1 is white, 5 is perfect grey, and 10 is black, we want 9, and we want those silicon carbine flakes embedded in it, just like the sidewalk on Montgomery in front of the old stock exchange..Midnight Sparkle I think it was called back in the day.] She repeated our design wishes and pointed out the contract where is says just that.

6. During lunch, I get to draft response to contractor about pulling permit for the front window work we had...they didn't pull one despite removing the window by sawing out, replacing some dry rot beams, then reinstalling it (poorly at that). Here is what SF building code says " DO I NEED A BUILDING PERMIT TO REPLACE WINDOWS? ALL replacement windows that are visible from a street or other public right-of-way require Planning Department review.

So, since there is some movement where there had been none, so far it is looking like the CSLB move is a good one.

Now to report them to the Pest Control board for unlicensed pest reporting and remediation. No half court press for us.

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The on-going saga has a new wrinkle: a break-in this Saturday morning past.

Bix the Cat gave us the alarm....woke both of us up

When I got downstairs, the side door was pushed in, door jam splintered. No one around.

Go up stairs, call police...not a 911 call. Then call construction company.

Police show up, we discuss matters. Construction company rep shows, we discuss matters.

Nothing appears stolen....none of our stuff, none of their stuff.

They broke their 1/4 inch screwdriver shaft in the successful prying of the door, half of it was on the ground along with the some plastic from the handle.

Neighbor from across the street shows up, he might have something on his security cam.

The other neighbor, Joe-the-retired-cop comes over to talk.

I need to talk to the neighbor up the street and see if they got anything on their camera.

Sweetie-pie and I spend rest of the day rebuilding the door frame and put in new security features. We had just reinforced our doors a few months ago because we know homes undergoing long term work become targets for crime.


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Just got copy of video surveillance from the neighbor across the street. Looks like the driver of a white newish hatchback Accord sedan had two accomplices. Not good enough to catch the plate though. 5:11 AM through 5:16 AM. Can see their flashlights play over the scaffolding, the rebar on the steps, and by the door they got through. Not super helpful in IDing them, but provides time and get-a-way car. I'll see if I can post up a screen grab of it....can't post the whole vid though.

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Another inspection is sceduled for today. Gotta inspect the rebar installation this time. I will point out that this is the 2nd time they have built the rebar steps. On Tuesday they were done, then Wednesday, they had the engineer out, then removed all the rebar steps, then Thursday through Saturday, they rebuilt the rebar steps. If it passes inspection today, they build the forms next then do then pour, then a final inspection.

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We (meaning a contractor) are about to start work on both upstairs bathrooms, and this thread gives me anxiety

He has years of straight "A"s on Angies list, and 36 years of complaint-free history. But, you never know.

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There are any number of statistics that show homes undergoing repair/maintenance suffer a higher than average break-in rate.

The fact that we were in bed sleeping until our cat woke us while they were breaking with tools in bumps this up to felony category.

I suppose that had I to jumped up the moment Bix first started meowing and grabbed the ceremonial sword off the wall and run down the stairs to the garage, things may have been a little more entertaining to report.

The officer who showed up more or less confirmed the nature of the break-in "They were probably not expecting anyone to be home with the scaffolding up like this but may have heard your cat and then your movement and when they knew the house wasn't empty left."

On a side note, the old VCR next to the drill press in our box-of-things-to-take-to-Goodwill was in prime view of them if they had gone a few steps in...guess thieves are getting picky. laugh

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Originally Posted By: Mr Doof
The on-going saga has a new wrinkle: a break-in this Saturday morning past.

Bix the Cat gave us the alarm....woke both of us up

When I got downstairs, the side door was pushed in, door jam splintered. No one around.

Go up stairs, call police...not a 911 call. Then call construction company.

Police show up, we discuss matters. Construction company rep shows, we discuss matters.

Nothing appears stolen....none of our stuff, none of their stuff.

They broke their 1/4 inch screwdriver shaft in the successful prying of the door, half of it was on the ground along with the some plastic from the handle.

Neighbor from across the street shows up, he might have something on his security cam.

The other neighbor, Joe-the-retired-cop comes over to talk.

I need to talk to the neighbor up the street and see if they got anything on their camera.

Sweetie-pie and I spend rest of the day rebuilding the door frame and put in new security features. We had just reinforced our doors a few months ago because we know homes undergoing long term work become targets for crime.


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Just got copy of video surveillance from the neighbor across the street. Looks like the driver of a white newish hatchback Accord sedan had two accomplices. Not good enough to catch the plate though. 5:11 AM through 5:16 AM. Can see their flashlights play over the scaffolding, the rebar on the steps, and by the door they got through. Not super helpful in IDing them, but provides time and get-a-way car. I'll see if I can post up a screen grab of it....can't post the whole vid though.

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Another inspection is sceduled for today. Gotta inspect the rebar installation this time. I will point out that this is the 2nd time they have built the rebar steps. On Tuesday they were done, then Wednesday, they had the engineer out, then removed all the rebar steps, then Thursday through Saturday, they rebuilt the rebar steps. If it passes inspection today, they build the forms next then do then pour, then a final inspection.


Unless I'm missing something in the design, it is customary to set the forms , then set the steel afterwards. The bottom of the footing needs to be free of all loose dirt. Also the stair footings should go at least a foot and a half into competent undisturbed soil. Otherwise you get settling. A house footing goes much deeper, and is the soil engineers call.


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They are building the forms this morning.

When I let the first worker in at 6:50 AM, I asked about the inspection that was supposed to have taken place yesterday. He said, "It must have happened...the cement guy is here today."

At 7:30 when the project manager showed up, I talked to him.

"The inspection is should be tomorrow or the day after. Trying to pin it down."

When asked about the color of the concrete to be poured and if he had cleared the color (chroma actually, not color) with Sweetie-pie, he said that he had and it would be "slate". To be clear I said, "If 1 is white, and 10 is black, we want a 9, and that corresponds to 'slate', right?" He confirmed it was.

When asked if the form building should be done by end of day, he said, "Yes, today, but maybe a little tomorrow before the inspection."

Sigh, already a little drift in 10 minutes of talk.

By the way, the new stairs, which replace 1930 brick and mortar over wood frame stairs, were supposed to be completed with a single pour (from a cement truck) over rebar and wood forms on properly supported wood ramp and top/bottom landings. Now, it appears they are going to mix it onsite and do a series of pours. More drift.

Oh, one last thing, the footing at the bottom goes into a 2 foot deep trench which already has a cage of rebar that has been drilled/bolted/epoxied into the existing foundation and the new foundation they poured in late Nov. 2018.

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This thread is making me nervous because I am about to hire a contractor to do some work next year.

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Originally Posted By: Mr Doof

They continue to do work, but the thing is, it looks like they are repeating work already done.


As more proof of lack of oversight, last week, they put in the rebar for the stairs on Monday and Tuesday.

When I came home that Tuesday night last week, all stairs were done.

When I came home the following evening, the rebar had been removed. Asked Sweetie-pie what the deal was. She didn't know.

Thursday morning, went to talk with the project manager when he showed up to ask what was going on, and observed him providing direction/instruction on how to tie in everything, add more rebar, follow the marks better, etc. Since they were putting the rebar back in and under observation, I figured that when he came by to check on the progress, noted things hadn't been done correctly, so he told them to undo it all, and start over.

So, last week was a perfect example of doing work twice.

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He's actually a Family Law Attorney and that is part of the problem. grin2


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There is absolutely no way to site mix colored concrete, and achieve a uniform color. It's just not going to happen. Next step, get the jack hammers!


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
There is absolutely no way to site mix colored concrete, and achieve a uniform color. It's just not going to happen. Next step, get the jack hammers!


I sent them an email today about this aspect.

Frankly I don't know why is should be too tough to spin up a mix of, say 5 bags of cement, X amount of water, a "bag" of color, spin for 5 minutes (or whatever), pour, mix up another batch using the same ratios, repeat until done, and have consistent color throughout the pours.

But I defer to someone in the trade who has actually done this.

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Passed the inspection of the rebar and forms for the concrete steps.

Paid another tranche for the job as well.

To finish:

1 Pour cement
2 Fix front bay window (they reinstalled it wonky and without permits...part of the reason we reported them)
3 Re-stucco exterior walls (have to wait for concrete to cure)
4 Fix and re-stucco the exploratory holes under stair landing by front door (unauthorized, out of scope work)
5 Complete painting of house after proper prep




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The color won't match, because water content, and tooling affect the color. Moisture/ evaporation varies by time of day, sunlight wind tenperature. Also, site mixed is one to two bags at a time max. So unless they are adding color by the tablespoon... and cement by the gram...

The darker the concrete, the harder to match batches.



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Per email today, the pour is scheduled for next Saturday.

Now it sounds like they will have a truck and do it in one go.

Messages on how things will be done seems to change all the time.....sigh. But Am glad to see that it will be a truck.

Here is the actual email:
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Good morning one and all.

As everyone knows, We successfully passed another inspection yesterday and are cleared to pour concrete, re-stucco and finish punch list on window. RBC with all intention and scheduling protocols cannot pour today. Having prepped, planned and scheduled concrete trucks, pumper trucks, crew and due diligence . That being said, we now have a confirmed schedule of intention to pour concrete (front stairs) on Saturday 3/16/2019 all parties concerned will be on your site to begin the A.M. stair pour. In addition, myself and crew will be there on Monday 3/11/2019 at 7 a.m. to complete interior adjustments to window. That being stated, please have any furniture or items that could possibly be damaged removed from working area

Have a great weekend and see you on Monday.
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Some contractors are worst than used car salespeople.

But did you bring it upon yourself by being a know-it-all?

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Yes.

My neighbor Mark Hagen. Built his home illegally. No permits.The first.

Back in the early 90's, He was building a huge new home for the owner of Borland.

A bunch of subcontractors. All of a sudden, a huge divorce case. Probate.

The fountain stopped. Mark was still on the hook to all of his subcontractors.

So he decided to pad out all of his other existing clients.

He was reported. Multiple times. He disappeared. Sold his illegal home and vanished out of state.

Karma...

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This thread is making me nervous because I am about to hire a contractor to do some work next year.
where are you, what are you building, and do you want any hints on keeping it from turning into a shit show?


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
There is absolutely no way to site mix colored concrete, and achieve a uniform color. It's just not going to happen. Next step, get the jack hammers!


I beg to differ. Deb & her 1st husband, ( me, being the 2nd ) got the cement truck drivers to add the "color" (black) into the trucks on the job site. They were paid handsomely for the extra time & clean up to each truck that participated. Front door entryway, hallway, bathroom & both upstairs bedrooms are colored in black cement.


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There is absolutely no way to site mix colored concrete, and achieve a uniform color. It's just not going to happen. Next step, get the jack hammers!


I beg to differ. Deb & her 1st husband, ( me, being the 2nd ) got the cement truck drivers to add the "color" (black) into the trucks on the job site. They were paid handsomely for the extra time & clean up to each truck that participated. Front door entryway, hallway, bathroom & both upstairs bedrooms are colored in black cement.


you are absolutely correct. You can add color into a mixing trucks it sits in the driveway.. That's actually how they do it at the plant. All the ingredients are dry added into the truck, and then water is added as the dry ingredients are loaded and rotated in the drum.

Mr. Doof's contractor was planning on site mixing in a trailer mixer, 1/8 yard at a time. That is what I meant by site mix.


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Agree. Dad had a masonry/drywall business in the 808 since 72'. Grew up around it and worked in it for many years. Batching in the truck or the plant will be the closest thing to consistent you might get. Really hard to match a buyers color cause the reality is nature/chemistry has it's own way.


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Here's a story I was just told by a perspective client.

The guy has a house in the Montecito flood area. The crawlspace was filled with mud, and the water level went up about a foot inside the house. He hired one of the larger local contractors to dig him out. The contractor charged him $250,000 to pull up the flooring to expose the framing and dirt below, and dig him out. It's now been 14 months since the flood. For several reasons, the owner fired the contractor.

I got a call to help him put it all back together, but with the owner being the "contractor".

I politely declined. My reasoning was for less than that same $250, 000 we could have demolished the house, and built a new house to the point where he was at. A gutted house with exposed framing and an open floor down to the dirt.

I didn't want to be part of it when the lawyers came around. That, and when I said he needed an engineer to design some of the missing pieces, and get a permit, his response was just go do it without.

When you ask most contractors, "Did you build that?" They will say yes. But the truth is that they hired subcontractors to do the job. The work will turn out as well as the lowest bid subcontractors would do.


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Sweetie-pie got a call the other day from CSLB.

Asking if we are happy with how things are progressing and if we want to drop the complaint.

She told them that we are happy that they have resumed work, but we don't want to drop the complaint because
1 everything isn't done,

2 there has never been any discussion regarding the alleged fraud (which we think is pretty well documented in our submission),

3 no plan to close up the unauthorized/out of scope exploratory "work" aka holes in the exterior,

4 discussion of cost recovery for work paid for based on illegal statements (they do not hold a pest control licences so they cannot recommend work based on 'you have termites behind that stucco we need to fix'),

5 and other things, like not obtaining a permit for structural work on the front bay window

CSLB rep said it would take 60 days to review/investigate fully.

Sweetie-pie said, "Fine, continue."

Front window work (sans permit) continued through yesterday.....at least now the main window doesn't sit wonky/put of true in the jams any more, and the gaps on the side windows are less than a quarter inch.

Pour still scheduled for this Saturday.

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Originally Posted By: everysurfr

I didn't want to be part of it when the lawyers came around. That, and when I said he needed an engineer to design some of the missing pieces, and get a permit, his response was just go do it without.


Don't owners realize that properly permitted repair work makes a home more valuable when it comes time to sell?

It is like when people buy a car and don't ask to see the title....due diligence pays dividends!

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Originally Posted By: everysurfr

I didn't want to be part of it when the lawyers came around. That, and when I said he needed an engineer to design some of the missing pieces, and get a permit, his response was just go do it without.


Don't owners realize that properly permitted repair work makes a home more valuable when it comes time to sell?

It is like when people buy a car and don't ask to see the title....due diligence pays dividends!
no chit.

here in coastal SE NC, houses are built on 12 foot pilings...but the neighborhood is full of houses with unpermitted living space on the ground floor. not only worthless in terms of adding value, it's actually a liability when the time comes to sell because it's not living space if it's not permitted.


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What!?! I have to wait 8 weeks for approval? And pay them how much money!?!

I just reply with don't you want somebody watching to see if I screw up? If they still insist, i politely decline the work. I also explain that i have a good reputation with all the inspectors, and im not about to throw that away by getting caught.


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How do people end up paying 250k to someone like that? Did they do no research on their project or ask around at all?

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Originally Posted By: ko25ok
How do people end up paying 250k to someone like that? Did they do no research on their project or ask around at all?

The Contractor is one of the bigger companies in Santa Barbara. They built a reputation over the years as a good company. When the disaster hit, they swooped into action. They aggressively chased the work. They had signs in front of dozens of homes with "Locals helping Locals" signs.

The recent workings of the company have changed quite a bit. The founder is no longer active, and management is running the business as a pure profit driven machine. They hire unqualified but well spoken supervisors. Pretty faces who give confidence but don't have the knowledge. There is a high turn over of these guys. Trial by fire on the client's dime. They charge by the hour for these "managers"

So after the disaster, the Insurance company writes a big check, and the company gets to work. Lots of bodies, spinning their wheels. A big invoice gets paid, before the client realizes at this pace, they will never be able to finish the job.

It will take a decade or so for the word to get around to no longer trust their reputation. By that time, the money will be gone, the principals will be retired, and the company will fade away.

Another thing that keeps it going is that the customer doesn't know they were fleeced. There are hundreds of corners that can get cut, that won't show up for years. For example, I can paint your cabinets. 2 or 4 coats looks the same, but 4 coats will last decades longer. Same with the paint. $25 a gallon paint looks the same as $45 a gallon paint for the first six months to the trained eye. 2 years to the untrained eye. 4 years down the line, the $25 a gallon will look like shit to everyone. Which is better for the client? Pay an extra $500 in materials today, and have it look new for a decade. Which is better for the contractor? Save the $500 today, and get a repaint job in 5 years for $4,000.

Personally, I hate this shit. That's why, more than a few times, I've offered knowledge for free to anyone who asks. And no, I'm not trying to get more business. I've already got too much of that to keep me from surfing.



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This thread is making me nervous because I am about to hire a contractor to do some work next year.


U should b nervous. Chances are ur gonna get fleeced.


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Well? How did the stairs go?


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7:30 AM Saturday was the start of the single monolithic pour.

About 5 yards of cement from a cement truck to a pumper then to the forms.

A fair bit of silicon carbide then smoothed into the top for traction and that particular midnight sparkle look that you get outside on the sidewalk in front of the Pacific Stock Exchange building in the lovely Financial District here in town.



And another development...the contractor wanted to know if we still needed to get a permit/inspection for the front bay window. We said 'Of course". (what we didn't say is that is their failure to obtain this at the start of the project was one of the reasons we reported you guys especially since the sign contract says they will pull all permits needed for the projects.)

Anyway, once the cement was poured and starting to cure to concrete, packed up the vehicle, and went for a surf in the sunny, offshore, wonky waves. The cool water tells me the permanent spring summer winds are just about to kick into gear.

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More follow-up.



Unsure of next move.

Still need:

1 Stucco work
2 Painting
3 Repair of 'exploratory' openings made in other parts of the exterior walls.

Oh, they obtained a permit, retroactively, for work done on the front window.

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That's why I hate the CSLB. All your aggravation, and all they do is write him a letter, that says next time he better be good, or maybe they will get mad at him.

Remember that stucco isn't waterproof. Only the waterproofing behind is. Windows are especially notorious for leaking and rot.

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It has gotta suck being a somewhat honest contractor having to compete pricewise with all these fly by night scammers out there.

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That's why I hate the CSLB. All your aggravation, and all they do is write him a letter, that says next time he better be good, or maybe they will get mad at him.


Yeah.....

We're going to contact CSLB to get more details so we can better determine if legal action has a chance of getting some of our money back.

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wow doof! hopefully you can get some piece of mind out of this experience and get the project completed soon. there are really good contractors out there believe it or not, and Im really surprised this contractor actually has come back to complete what he has. obviously the cslb thinks he's done an ok enough job with their reply, what a shame.

once established, its not hard competing for work against unlicensed guys, if you do good work and show you're a professional, you are bound to get consistent referral work, which is what I do.

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wow doof! hopefully you can get some piece of mind out of this experience and get the project completed soon. there are really good contractors out there believe it or not, and Im really surprised this contractor actually has come back to complete what he has. obviously the cslb thinks he's done an ok enough job with their reply, what a shame.

once established, its not hard competing for work against unlicensed guys, if you do good work and show you're a professional, you are bound to get consistent referral work, which is what I do.

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+1 I started my own plumbing company about 3 years ago and was terrified I would be struggling to find work. Each successful project lead to a call or two from their contacts looking for someone they could trust. I've never had to advertise and now I'm constantly turning work down. Easy to stand out if you are reasonably priced and take pride in your craftsmanship.

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This morning.....

As I was eating breakfast with the wan overcast gloom sneaking in under the tree ferns and into the kitchen nook, heard some noise on the scaffolding.

"Oh crap," I think, " not again," and I make way way to the bat, grab it, and look out the front window.

The main worker is here, so I put on some shoes and go to greet him (never had a problem with the workers, just the management).

"Hey, whats new?"

"You get the email about the stucco work today?"

"No, but thats ok, I'll look into that. Stucco work to commence today?"

"Yes, I'm here to cover up the stairs and clean up the garage."

"Ok, great. I'll go tell Sweetie-pie."

Go in and tell my sleeping wife the stucco work is starting to day.

With groggy stare, she tells me that we need to iron out more things and "I thought they said the concrete needs to cure for 21 or 28 days...it hasn't been that long."

"I'll check into that as well."

So, things are moving towards a finish line but I don't think that finish line is 100% agreed to yet.

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wow doof! hopefully you can get some piece of mind out of this experience and get the project completed soon. there are really good contractors out there believe it or not, and Im really surprised this contractor actually has come back to complete what he has. obviously the cslb thinks he's done an ok enough job with their reply, what a shame.

once established, its not hard competing for work against unlicensed guys, if you do good work and show you're a professional, you are bound to get consistent referral work, which is what I do.

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+1 I started my own plumbing company about 3 years ago and was terrified I would be struggling to find work. Each successful project lead to a call or two from their contacts looking for someone they could trust. I've never had to advertise and now I'm constantly turning work down. Easy to stand out if you are reasonably priced and take pride in your craftsmanship.



Appreciate the points of view you two bring to this thread. Without a doubt there are good people in the field, I see evidence of that in the replies I've already received.

Before the work started, like for the previous 3 years, we asked friends and friends of friends for referrals. I'd say 60% of my inquiries were never returned. And most the ones that did reply didn't show up on time for the initial meeting or submitted bids that were so vague/open to interpretation/open-ended that turned us right off or asked to be paid a % prior to bid submission.

When we finally got three bids, the one we went with was the best, most comprehensive bid there was, and not the cheapest...in the end, even not "cheaping out" saved us time/hassle.

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It kind of counter intuitive, but being a good builder doesn't always translate into being good at paperwork.


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This morning.....

As I was eating breakfast with the wan overcast gloom sneaking in under the tree ferns and into the kitchen nook, heard some noise on the scaffolding.

"Oh crap," I think, " not again," and I make way way to the bat, grab it, and look out the front window.

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"Hey, whats new?"

"You get the email about the stucco work today?"

"No, but thats ok, I'll look into that. Stucco work to commence today?"

"Yes, I'm here to cover up the stairs and clean up the garage."

"Ok, great. I'll go tell Sweetie-pie."

Go in and tell my sleeping wife the stucco work is starting to day.

With groggy stare, she tells me that we need to iron out more things and "I thought they said the concrete needs to cure for 21 or 28 days...it hasn't been that long."

"I'll check into that as well."

So, things are moving towards a finish line but I don't think that finish line is 100% agreed to yet.

day after a pour, concrete can be walked on with rubber soled shoes. Up to about three days it will chip pretty easy if you drop something on it. After a week, you can drive a car on it. It will be at 70% strength by then. 28 days is for full cure. Keeping it constantly moist for those first 7 days can double the final strength.

https://www.engr.psu.edu/ce/courses/ce584/concrete/library/construction/curing/curing.html


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It kind of counter intuitive, but being a good builder doesn't always translate into being good at paperwork.



Yes, seems like a lot of times the companies with a lot of branding, office staff, etc lose focus on the actual product they are delivering. I work with a lot of different General Contractors and would personally choose the smaller guy with 4-5 employees over the larger ones. One guy on site that is knowledgeable about schedule, coordination with subs, client's preferences is so valuable. Larger companies often have carpenters and laborers on site with a PM that might stop by once a day to check in. Lots of room for error with that management style.

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I had a landscaping company servicing my yard and they were great. The company then got voted best in the state and they expanded.

The owner of the company wasnt coming to the site anymore and he had crews doing the work and the owner was running the larger jobs.

The quality of work absolutely tanked. Completely shit the bed when he stopped coming to the job site with the crew.

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Quick update:

Talked to a new general contractor about getting a repair bid for the unauthorized exploratory "holes" the old contractor did on my house. He says that is a one day job to fix, maybe two with just him and his partner...says he will email me bid in the next few days. Old contractor gave me "three men for 3-4 or 5 days".

Final stucco coat going on today. Am totally happy with this sub-contractor. Will likely hire them to re-stucco the repair work on the holes.

Maybe next week get the rest of the house painted. I keep asking for a schedule and keep getting nothing. Suspect they are still upset and CSLB decision to fine them in the wrong.

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Before the work started, like for the previous 3 years, we asked friends and friends of friends for referrals. I'd say 60% of my inquiries were never returned. And most the ones that did reply didn't show up on time for the initial meeting or submitted bids that were so vague/open to interpretation/open-ended that turned us right off or asked to be paid a % prior to bid submission.

When we finally got three bids, the one we went with was the best, most comprehensive bid there was, and not the cheapest...in the end, even not "cheaping out" saved us time/hassle.


As it turns out, when a good chunk of the Bay Area floods, then burns down, then floods again, contractors get really busy.


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Another day in construction purgatory...

So, now getting work done on repairing the arch over the front doorway after a fair bit of back and forth.

Got a payment schedule as part of this Change Order.

Does anyone know if the same contract law for home repair payment requirements applies to Change Orders?

In other words, in California, if I have a repair contract for greater than $500 (I think that is the threshold) , I have to pay 10% down or $1000, whichever is less, and that further payments are tied to milestones, not dates.

Then I get a change order for $12,000. For the first payment of the Change Order, do I pay 10% or $1000, whichever is less, or do I pay what they ask for, say $4000?

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I don't know what your law is there about down payments on work and I don't know the law here in NY either but I can address the spirit of the law from my commercial experience in private and public work. I don't think change order rules would be different than regular rules where payment is concerned.

The 10% down seems reasonable, it covers the contractors organizational work to get things started. First of all a schedule of values (milestones) should be made which is consistent with the way the work will have to be done. The schedule takes some thought and should be keyed to things like inspections which are natural inflection points in the work, especially inspections as this drives the contractor to get the work approved. As work progresses these are some things which contracts generally recognize should be paid as they occur:

Mobilization (job boxes and equipment placed on job site)
Delivery of materials to job site (value of the materials only - beware of "Front Loading" where early things are valued by the contractor higher than their worth.
Rough-in electrical inspection
Installation of fixtures

You get the idea. Also the idea is to always be behind where the contractor is moneywise until work is 100% correctly completed and accepted. If a milestone is not 100% complete and accepted do not pay for any of the milestone (but be sure to show that you are anxious to pay for anything that is accepted - this builds trust). This way you are always holding the contractors money until each piece is 100%. Control the money and you control the work. Think of it this way (a bit exaggerated but to make a point) if you pay a contractor for work which is not 100% complete there is no reason for them to come back - they already have what they wanted - the money. You must always be in a position where they have something to gain by coming back.

In an AIA (Architects Institute of America) standard contract (the gold standard of fair to both parties) there are these concepts also:
Retainage - 10% of every milestone is held back by the owner until the warrantee period has elapsed - generally a year after beneficial use. this is retained to cover anything unseen that crops up.
If you sign a contract for say windows and a driveway and then cancel the driveway the contractor is entitled to his profit on the driveway. I think this is to address his loss of opportunity - say he passed up other work.
Extra work is priced at direct cost + 10% overhead + 10% profit (21% total). This is in many contracts. the original work is bid by multiple bidders at above 21% markup because no one can exactly estimate labor for a complicated job (Material, yes - that cost is known) but markups have to be higher to address risk and unknowns. Some jobs make 30% some lose money. But extra work, being as how the actual hours worked can be recorded may be in the contract as contractor shows receipts then gets 10 and 10 - but only for small extras to the original work, usually capped at 15% - the idea being that its just for small adjustments - not an extra wing on the building - the contractor agrees to take a haircut and not make anything on that work. The cost to negotiate small extras actually makes them often not worth doing.


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When I do contracts of that sort, I usually work out a payment schedule. If the job is a good amount of days, say 3,4 or more weeks worth, outside of the original down payment, I usually ask for a weekly or bi-weekly payment of the total, until finished, and the final payment due upon final completion walkthru.

When Change orders are placed, I usually just add it to the grand total, and when payments are due, I expect a percentage of that change order along with the original estimate due, within that agreed upon payment schedule.

When I have extras added, it always adds more time to the job, so I try to keep that in mind with the original payment schedule. As long as the homeowners are acting on good faith and giving me something I am pretty flexible.

If it looks like they have done a decent amount of work then give them $4k or so, some contractors have alot of overhead and need to pay their guys, insurance, materials, etc. Keep them happy as the work is progressing and they will hopefully return the favor and get the job done on time with quality.

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Quick update:

1 Work on the arch under the Spanish C-tile in full bloom this AM
2 Handed over check for scaffolding rental
3 Handed over check for $5000 as first tranche on repair work for item 1.
4 Got into pissing match on email yesterday about payments being tied to work done versus arbitrary dates. In a late night email to me, they more or less said 'pay up or we walk, you choice'. As you can guess, threatening abandonment is also not kosher with CSLB. And all this because somehow they read this section of the Contractor code different than I.


(8) If a downpayment will be charged, the details of the downpayment shall be expressed in substantially the following form, and shall include the text of the notice as specified in subparagraph (C):
(A) The heading: “Downpayment.”
(B) A space where the actual downpayment appears.
(C) The following statement in at least 12-point boldface type:
“THE DOWNPAYMENT MAY NOT EXCEED $1,000 OR 10 PERCENT OF THE CONTRACT PRICE, WHICHEVER IS LESS.”

9) If payments, other than the downpayment, are to be made before the project is completed, the details of these payments, known as progress payments, shall be expressed in substantially the following form, and shall include the text of the statement as specified in subparagraph (C):
(A) A schedule of progress payments shall be preceded by the heading: “Schedule of Progress Payments.”
(B) Each progress payment shall be stated in dollars and cents and specifically reference the amount of work or services to be performed and materials and equipment to be supplied.
(C) The section of the contract reserved for the progress payments shall include the following statement in at least 12-point boldface type:
“The schedule of progress payments must specifically describe each phase of work, including the type and amount of work or services scheduled to be supplied in each phase, along with the amount of each proposed progress payment. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW FOR A CONTRACTOR TO COLLECT PAYMENT FOR WORK NOT YET COMPLETED, OR FOR MATERIALS NOT YET DELIVERED. HOWEVER, A CONTRACTOR MAY REQUIRE A DOWNPAYMENT.”

Link to pertinant section

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Ok, last of the stucco was applied yesterday and they replaced 4 of the Spanish "C-tiles" that are on the roofline near the arch.

Work completed only 8 days after their original 'end of work date and same day they email me an invoice for more than the contractually agreed price and that they'll be by in the morning (today, the 9th) to pick it up.

So last night, email them back asking:

1 why the invoice is more than the agreed amount

2 about the missing battery they accidentally took from our garage that we've been trying to get back for the last 3-4 weeks that the onsite foreman said he has back at the office and just keeps forgetting to bring it by

3 when the final inspection on the stairs takes place

4 to estimate when the stucco will be cured enough for preparation prior to priming/painting, and by extension the rest of the house...I know this is dependent upon the weather, humidity, etc, but don't think it wrong to ask for an estimate.



No reply to my email this AM, no one showed up at before I left for work at 7:30 AM (usually they would show at 7 AM to start the work day), so before I left, wrote out the check for the contract price, left it on the stove, left note for Sweetie-pie, then pedaled my fine self to work and was able to enjoy some Bike-to-Work freebies in the form of poisonous carbohydrate filled bagels and orange juice....mmmm, delicious carbs.

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You can paint stucco when it is dry to the touch. You should hose down the scratch coat to keep it moist for a week to aid chemical curing, and prevent cracking. Brown coat cures for about 3 days. Again, keep it moist. Then finish coat. Why are you painting a new finish coat? Is there other stucco you need to match?


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There was about a 6 inch by 4 foot strip that was stuccu-ed yesterday in one fell swoop that for whatever reason wasn't done till yesterday.

So scratch coat, then brown then finish coat all applied in once day for this part, unsure if they waited long between layers or just did it all at once.....sub-optimal in my book if all at once, but the die is cast. Weather is drizzly fog at night, and foggy during the day, and forecast to be like this for the next few days so hopefully this is slowing the cure enough to prevent cracking.

Also looks like they touched up some of the previous stucco they had applied (when I came home last night, noticed new patches of darker white stucco). So that has to cure as well.

Now I have a house that is 1/5th new white stucco. Need to get the new stucco primed then painted to match the rest of the 'Brown Horse" paint color.

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There is a one day, rapid setting stucco patch. If they used it, no problem. If they didn't, you will know soon enough. Look for brown bags that day rapid set mortar mix. Or a yellow bag, that says Eisenwall. Otherwise....


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Scaffolding removed yesterday.....unobstructed view from front window for first time since Oct 28 2018.

Now just need the following:

1 Paint remaining fresh stucco. About 40 square feet.
2 Fix the blemishes in the new paint that they did in the backyard in November.
3 Get SF City to perform final inspection on stairs.
4 Apply sealant to now done concrete stairs.
5 Get the port-a-potty removed so I have access to the garage again.
6 Do final walk-through/review of all work.
7 Make final payments of approximately $12K

During short talk with the contractor yesterday, says it should be done within 2 weeks.

I wanted to ask, "What happened to late December 2018?", but somehow had mental discipline to look him in the eye and just say, "That would be great, looking forward to it."

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Originally Posted by Mr Doof
Scaffolding removed yesterday.....unobstructed view from front window for first time since Oct 28 2018.

Now just need the following:

1 Paint remaining fresh stucco. About 40 square feet.
2 Fix the blemishes in the new paint that they did in the backyard in November.
3 Get SF City to perform final inspection on stairs.
4 Apply sealant to now done concrete stairs.
5 Get the port-a-potty removed so I have access to the garage again.
6 Do final walk-through/review of all work.
7 Make final payments of approximately $12K

During short talk with the contractor yesterday, says it should be done within 2 weeks.

I wanted to ask, "What happened to late December 2018?", but somehow had mental discipline to look him in the eye and just say, "That would be great, looking forward to it."



Short update:

1 Port-a-potty removed from driveway...and they chipped my driveway when removing it. Sigh.

2 House painting done this Friday past, but still some small areas that bubbled up over the weekend that need fixing. A clear coat for the concrete stairs not applied...maybe after final inspection? Oh, a few flakes came off the metal banister when it was screwed onto the wall, so some touch-up there as well, and yeah, I will need to caulk around that joining where the flat metal meets the bumpy stucco...water down the wall, runs down, hits the screws, and wicks right into newly built wall.

2 Construction done, but final inspection not scheduled as far as I can tell...emailed again today to see when it is scheduled. Also need to schedule final walk-through.

3 The rest of their stuff to be removed from our garage.

4 Payment...faster all this is done, faster I can pay them the final $10K to get out of my life.

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The whole process seemed like a lot of fun. Kudos for seeing it through without going insane.

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Must be tough.

Construction workers are just about all idiots.

A former client had a plumbing leak today. She thought it was small so she called a handyman. The doofus cut a big hole in the stucco, rather than a small hole in the drywall, took out 20 feet of waste line under the house, because it was "gunky" when only a fitting needed replacing. Dropped demolition materials on the ground, where the owner promptly stepped on a nail and had to go to urgent care. THEN she calls me to ask for advice. What could i say, but call me BEFORE you call "Helping Hands" handymen


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The construction guys are pretty good, except for when I or Sweetie-pie caught them napping under the work table or the new hire who just groused and got in the way of the other workers.

Now the management pair.....

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What a clown show. How did you decide this was outfit to use? Were they recommended? References were supplied?
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What a clown show. How did you decide this was outfit to use? Were they recommended? References were supplied?
Just curious.


I never mind curiosity.

We looked 3 yrs for a good contractor...the licensed and bonded ones were all busy doing soft story retrofits and the ones that did call back said to get back to them in a year, and when we did call of few of those back, they told us to call back in another year.....the current construction boom in the City is taking all the laborers from the outfits holding the licenses so this is slowing things greatly for the home owner trying to fix up their place the right way.

We got a number of referrals from friends, but most of them were unlicensed 'handyman", so nope, and the others never called back or wouldn't provide a fixed start and end date or wouldn't pull permits ("It is just a govt scam that costs you more, our work would pass if we ever get inspected.")

Then there was another one who wanted us to pay $5000 just to get a bid (this fee would go towards the project if we choose them, but if it didn't, no refund).

Then there was the one who wanted to rip off the front of the house and replace the windows (that we had just replaced 5 yrs ago) so that it would better blend in with the new steps. Replace the front of the house just to 'blend in" with new steps?

Finally it got to the point that when I would ride my bicycle around, I just would look at various buildings that had a contracting licence and I would just walk in cold to see if I could make a personal connection thinking that if I show up, make an appointment, they would actually show up.

So in the Dogpatch neighborhood, not too far from the Hell's Angel's club, I found a well kept building that had their name on it. Warehouse part was tidy, their fleet of vehicles were in decent shape, signage looked nice, and yes, license and bonded (and valid). Did the Yelp thing (4 stars), looked at some of their other projects (a mixture of commercial clients as well as residential clients), and while I did have a vibe of "Well, they are going to try and upsell me on things," the fact the could start on a fixed date, gave me a fixed end date, a written quote, and showed up on time, had an ex-SF City Engineer as their go-to sub for engineering blueprints, well, it just seemed like a good choice and I would just say no to things that didn't need "fixing". I mean, I didn't want to fall through my front stairs like my neighbor did a few years previous (this is when we started looking to replace the stairs) so I had to hire someone to do this properly.

When we finally had three bids, the lowest one was out because it was so scattered and poorly written and lots of parts were left off (engineering, permit, equipment rental costs, etc) and Sweetie-pie got too much of a weirdo creeper skeeze vibe, the highest costing bid was not very detailed, no end date or even projected end date, and very short warranty. And the one we took, while not that much lower than the high bid was very detailed, had good Yelp reviews, good previous work projects we could check out, and they seemed to be both personable and emphasized "a good work product".

So, we did the due diligence, or so I thought at the time. Now i second guess myself endlessly and have sleepless nights.




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It definitely sounds like your homework was done. I hate
Hearing these stories. But sometimes integrity is hard to come by.
Sounds like one good real carpenter and his trusted helper should have been
able to pull this one off with a cost plus contract.
Of course everysurfer and everyone else within earshot will call bullshit
on that statement.
The market I’m in is nowhere comparable to the Bay area.

Makes me want to move back there hearingThese types of stories. I could always
Do a good job of selling myself and my product.
Have their at least been some regret on the contractors part put forth? Some type of apology
on how things went ?

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Originally Posted by huryanpost

Sounds like one good real carpenter and his trusted helper should have been
able to pull this one off with a cost plus contract.
Of course everysurfer and everyone else within earshot will call bullshit
on that statement.

No disagreement from me on your point. As long as the good carpenter has a license, bond, workers compensation insurance, liability insurance, assets, and knowledge of all the trades involved.


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Yeah. All valid things to have.
Let’s level the playing is your point is your point if i’m Not mistaken.


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Have their at least been some regret on the contractors part put forth? Some type of apology
on how things went ?


No.

When they asked that I write CSLB to retract my unsubstantiated and false complaint or they will quit, I told them I provided CSLB copies of the Change Orders, a copy of the Contract, copies of emails, and asked some questions*, and CSLB are the ones who told you to shape up, not us.

Reporting them got them back to work, but I feel they have been just on this side of thing to not be charged with formal abandonment, hence the long drawn our process and continually missed deadlines.


* - Questions like:
1 Do they have a pest control license? If not, isn't it illegal to propose work for remediation?
2 Does not the engineering plans call for wall replacement and does not the Contract state they will follow the plans, and if so, is recommend Change Order #3/#4/#5 essentially double billing us for work that is part of the plans that the Contract says they will follow?
3 Billing up front for work not done is illegal, right?
4 Don't they need permits from planning to replace a main support beam...they say they don't.

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If There was aconstruction company in San Francisco that
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Originally Posted by huryanpost
What a clown show. How did you decide this was outfit to use? Were they recommended? References were supplied?
Just curious.


I never mind curiosity.

We looked 3 yrs for a good contractor...the licensed and bonded ones were all busy doing soft story retrofits and the ones that did call back said to get back to them in a year, and when we did call of few of those back, they told us to call back in another year.....the current construction boom in the City is taking all the laborers from the outfits holding the licenses so this is slowing things greatly for the home owner trying to fix up their place the right way.

We got a number of referrals from friends, but most of them were unlicensed 'handyman", so nope, and the others never called back or wouldn't provide a fixed start and end date or wouldn't pull permits ("It is just a govt scam that costs you more, our work would pass if we ever get inspected.")

Then there was another one who wanted us to pay $5000 just to get a bid (this fee would go towards the project if we choose them, but if it didn't, no refund).

Then there was the one who wanted to rip off the front of the house and replace the windows (that we had just replaced 5 yrs ago) so that it would better blend in with the new steps. Replace the front of the house just to 'blend in" with new steps?

Finally it got to the point that when I would ride my bicycle around, I just would look at various buildings that had a contracting licence and I would just walk in cold to see if I could make a personal connection thinking that if I show up, make an appointment, they would actually show up.

So in the Dogpatch neighborhood, not too far from the Hell's Angel's club, I found a well kept building that had their name on it. Warehouse part was tidy, their fleet of vehicles were in decent shape, signage looked nice, and yes, license and bonded (and valid). Did the Yelp thing (4 stars), looked at some of their other projects (a mixture of commercial clients as well as residential clients), and while I did have a vibe of "Well, they are going to try and upsell me on things," the fact the could start on a fixed date, gave me a fixed end date, a written quote, and showed up on time, had an ex-SF City Engineer as their go-to sub for engineering blueprints, well, it just seemed like a good choice and I would just say no to things that didn't need "fixing". I mean, I didn't want to fall through my front stairs like my neighbor did a few years previous (this is when we started looking to replace the stairs) so I had to hire someone to do this properly.

When we finally had three bids, the lowest one was out because it was so scattered and poorly written and lots of parts were left off (engineering, permit, equipment rental costs, etc) and Sweetie-pie got too much of a weirdo creeper skeeze vibe, the highest costing bid was not very detailed, no end date or even projected end date, and very short warranty. And the one we took, while not that much lower than the high bid was very detailed, had good Yelp reviews, good previous work projects we could check out, and they seemed to be both personable and emphasized "a good work product".

So, we did the due diligence, or so I thought at the time. Now i second guess myself endlessly and have sleepless nights.





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Yeah. All valid things to have.
Let’s level the playing is your point is your point if i’m Not mistaken.

Not so much as level the playing field, as protect yourself if something goes wrong. I get all my work because the playing field is uneven. Superior knowledge, with low overhead keeps me busy.

If a worker falls off a ladder with no workers comp insurance, that worker will end up costing you your house. A slipped disk, and a lifetime of disability. Or as I mentioned earlier, the worker leaves a nail in a board, and a neighbor steps on it. Insurance is mandatory these days.


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Yeah. All valid things to have.
Let’s level the playing is your point is your point if i’m Not mistaken.

Not so much as level the playing field, as protect yourself if something goes wrong. I get all my work because the playing field is uneven. Superior knowledge, with low overhead keeps me busy.

If a worker falls off a ladder with no workers comp insurance, that worker will end up costing you your house. A slipped disk, and a lifetime of disability. Or as I mentioned earlier, the worker leaves a nail in a board, and a neighbor steps on it. Insurance is mandatory these days.


Yes, to really make it for the long haul, you have to be legit. Bonding,
Workman’s comp, liability all these that make a business a real business.
Low overhead is the way to go. Less headaches. And focus on delivering
The product that you are proud of first and foremost. Focusing on these
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Sometime next week is the final inspection by the Building Dept.

Maybe, we will see.

Why?

Because I was noticing that the handrail the put back on the redone exterior wall looked a little off. Got out the tape measure, found that it was higher from the sloped plane of the stairs at the bottom of the steps than at the top.

Bottom was 33 inches, top was 31.

Not great, but not that horrible.

Then I decided to look at what the building code says.

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The top of stair railings, handrails and handrail extensions installed on or after April 3, 1997, shall be at a vertical height between 34 and 38 inches above the nosing of treads and landings. For stairs installed before April 3, 1997, this height shall be between 30 and 38 inches. Stair railings and handrails shall be continuous the full length of the stairs and, except for private stairways, at least one handrail or stair railing shall extend in the direction of the stair run not less than 12 inches beyond the top riser nor less than 12 inches beyond the bottom riser. Ends shall be returned or shall terminate in newel posts or safety terminals, or otherwise arranged so as not to constitute a projection hazard.

(d) A handrail shall consist of a lengthwise member mounted directly on a wall or partition by means of brackets attached to the lower side of the handrail so as to offer no obstruction to a smooth surface along the top and both sides of the handrail. The handrail shall be designed to provide a grasping surface to avoid the person using it from falling. The spacing of brackets shall not exceed 8 feet.

(e) Handrails projecting from a wall shall have a space of not less than 1 1/2 inches between the wall and the handrail.

(f) The mounting of handrails shall be such that the completed structure is capable of withstanding a load of at least 200 pounds applied in any direction at any point on the rail.

Exception: Handrails and stair rails on flights of stairs serving basements or cellars that are covered by a trap door, removable floor or grating when not in use, shall stop at the floor level or entrance level so as not to interfere with the cover in the closed position. (Title 24, Part 2, Section 1006.9.2.7a.)

Note: Authority cited: Section 142.3, Labor Code. Reference: Section 142.3, Labor Code; and Section 18943(b), Health and Safety Code.
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I am guessing that a handrail taken off and put back on in 2019 means we don't get that pre-April 3, 1997, break.

Sent an email to the contractor to get their take.

Am betting he'll say, "How is the City going to know?"

Am betting I will tell the contractor that I will tell the inspector that it was taken off and reinstalled.

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Some stuff, like handrail heights is known by every competent builder. It isn't like this is a newly revised code, or isn't available with a 30 second Google search.

Now measure the riser height. Hopefully not higher than 7 inches, and they don't vary by more than 3/8" and the spindles can't allow a sphere of greater than 4 inches to pass through. There are spindles, right?

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Final inspection scheduled for 7/1/2019

Last email exchange:

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Dear Mr Doof,

We are scheduled for inspection on Monday, July 1st 8:30AM - 12NN. We will level hand-rail, touch up paint, clean up, and be 100% completed upon inspection clearance.

Thank you,

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Update.

Today was supposed to be final inspection by the city.

Took half the day off to be present....scheduled for 8:30 AM to 12:30 PM.

Contractor showed at 8 AM.

Showed him the problems with the paint in various places, asked about the handrail, etc.

Inspector showed at 10:50.

Then left 5 minutes later. Said he wouldn't sign off on anything, something about materials/reports not filed. Contractor said he did this on Friday 28th. (Are you kidding me, a Friday before a Monday inspection?)

With a little questioning, apparently the engineer and contractor had not filed everything correctly from the November special inspections...there were two special inspections.

We had notified them of this in January (anyone can look of a project status online now-a-days), and when we got no replay after a few weeks, was more fuel to file the complaint.

Well, there goes my my peace of mind for a few days. So ready to put this behind me.

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My head is spinning. How did the contractor get his rough inspection if his special inspections aren't on order and approved.

Please tell me that it's just paperwork, and they didn't forget to get their shear wall or foundation bolts inspected, and are now tearing off stucco.


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Should just be paperwork (crossing fingers).

Got little clarity from the contractor, who beat a hasty exit after the inspector left.

You'd think people would want the final $10K and get their report removed, but, apparently not.

Am revisiting the wondering about lawyering up....$10K might be able to hire a decent enough one.

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You guys wouldn’t recommend, who might that be?


I'm wondering who these guys are as well-to make sure I never do a job for them.

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I need to wait till the project is done before I name names.

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Just found out there is a scheduled inspection today between noon and 3 PM, like minutes ago.

Sweetie-pie is boiling mad about the lack of notice. "I'm going swimming during this, if I stay I will want to stab him, and if I don't then I'll want to push him down the stairs. You deal with it."

Yay, I get to leave work early.

Nay, I don't like the short notice, nor does the boss, but he gets it...am sure he will enjoy me having my head back in the game once this is all done.

Time to see if I am jam some data in to the models and get them running before I go.

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That's not bad.

I remember before, when you had no idea when the inspector would show up, or even of he would show up. Waiting all day, to have them blow you off. I hate civil servants.


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It is official, stair inspection passed!

And yesterday they fixed up some paint bubbles and sags around the front door, and installed some plywood on the rebuilt interior garage wall per the engineering plans. They left some equipment behind too.

So this morning, dropped off the final payment for painting the house as I pedaled to work.

Now need:

1 our 'shut-off-the-gas-main-valve-wrench' they took when they cleaned up the basement

2 some apology or recompense for the drip irrigation they f-ed up (we repaired it ourselves last weekend)

3 some apology or recompense for the garden hose splitter they outright broke

4 some apology or recompense for the front door light fixture they outright broke (we replaced it last weekend)

5 need invoice for the final payment for the construction side of things


I won't hold my breath on #2-4, really want that wrench back, probably will get #5 later today with helpful advice that we can FedEx it to them.

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It is official, stair inspection passed!

And yesterday they fixed up some paint bubbles and sags around the front door, and installed some plywood on the rebuilt interior garage wall per the engineering plans. They left some equipment behind too.

So this morning, dropped off the final payment for painting the house as I pedaled to work.

Now need:

1 our 'shut-off-the-gas-main-valve-wrench' they took when they cleaned up the basement

2 some apology or recompense for the drip irrigation they f-ed up (we repaired it ourselves last weekend)

3 some apology or recompense for the garden hose splitter they outright broke

4 some apology or recompense for the front door light fixture they outright broke (we replaced it last weekend)

5 need invoice for the final payment for the construction side of things


I won't hold my breath on #2-4, really want that wrench back, probably will get #5 later today with helpful advice that we can FedEx it to them.


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I've broken three of those hose splitters...

was it the plastic levers that broke or the actual body of the splitter?


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Replaced the broken zinc pot-metal splitter with a brass one. I console myself I got 10 years out of it.

They were using the smaller directional cut-off valves to turn off the flow rather than the main gate valve. We replaced all the galvanized plumbing a few years ago with copper, and this tripled the water pressure....using the small directional cut-off valves to shut off the water while the main valve was open is what broke it. Am guessing a weak spot at the valves migrated through the rest of the splitter as it had come apart overnight and I found in in two parts. Broke right along the casting seam.
This was right after the interior plasterer was onsite and maybe he banged into it when cleaning up in the backyard? (This would be in addition to leaving the main valve open and closing both directional valves...more than once I would come home notice water leaking from it due to the pressure overwhelming the smaller directional valves)?

While willing to concede to the allowable consumable (items 2-4), maybe I am just being pigheaded about wanting some sort of acknowledgement of their goofs. But I want that wrench back.

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Good man.

Just how bad do you want that wrench back? I know a guy...


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It's not always the last guy to turn the light switches fault when the bulb burn out. I'd let the splitter go.


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Originally Posted by ElOgro
Good man.

Just how bad do you want that wrench back? I know a guy...


Hey, they gave us our wrench back! Now if there is an earthquake and I need to turn off the gas main, I can.

Re-planted the ground cover that was ripped up and mended most of the drip irrigation this weekend that was damaged, started to rebuild the surfboard storage area, wondering how I suddenly seem to have so many surfboards and wetsuits, and realize that I need to put in some new lighting......

Still haven't received final invoice for stairs.

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So having been through this 8 page thread with you, what you say show us some of the before and after pictures of said work??

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Wow, you got the wrench back?!?!!?!?
Anything is possible!
I’ve started a home project that includes 7 different specialist companies. This thread gives me anxiety
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Originally Posted by JBerry
So having been through this 8 page thread with you, what you say show us some of the before and after pictures of said work??



Don't have photos with me, so this shot from Google Earth, until the send a new camera-car around, our home will look like this image from March 2019.

See that tarp and scaffolding over the stairs?

I actually had to insist they put it up and told them. "But we didn't budget for that!" And the building code says you are obligated to not ruin the home. I paid because I get that it wasn't in the proposal, that additional scaffolding, but as water was sheeting down the house and coming into the garage even through the Tyvek and they weren't working on the stairs, things needed to get going. That went up in late January and stayed up for way too long.

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Will get some better photos of the stairs later.

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