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Where (and what) is the Trump administration's education platform? #2912007
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Every president has a signature educational initiative. We're in the third year of Trump's presidency and have yet to see any new policy. What gives?


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It is nowhere near the purview of the President's job to have an educational initiative.


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answer to body content - I don't know if every president has a signature educational initiative, but if true, they must have mostly sucked either in design or implementation.

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It's probably best he doesn't.

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Let private business grab some of the money that goes to public education.

Big business hates all the money that goes into public education.


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We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
It is nowhere near the purview of the President's job to have an educational initiative.



Most presidents implement major educational initiatives.


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Republicans hate education, the only way they get elected is by the stupidity of the American voter.

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
It's probably best he doesn't.


you're probably right, but it's interesting that he ran on "America First" and "infrastructure". Wouldn't that imply that much of his agenda would pertain to domestic policy?


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Originally Posted By: mundus
Republicans hate education, the only way they get elected is by the stupidity of the American voter.


George W Bush was big into education. But then again, he was a liberal.


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It's probably best he doesn't.


you're probably right, but it's interesting that he ran on "America First" and "infrastructure". Wouldn't that imply that much of his agenda would pertain to domestic policy?

Those were click baits for his groupies. Nothing about Trump actual is either of those.

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Lets not forget about "better, cheaper healthcare" that covers everyone?

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Lets not forget about "better, cheaper healthcare" that covers everyone?



I guess well have to wait for his second term for all the domestic policy stuff


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Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: mundus
Republicans hate education, the only way they get elected is by the stupidity of the American voter.


George W Bush was big into education. But then again, he was a liberal.


Laura was a teacher. She got it.

GWB was better on education than BO.

Clinton, the pussy hound, was better than both of them.


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Theres a speech of young Bush (throwing you guys an easy one here) talking about education and what should be done thats actually phenomenal.

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Good education is really fing expensive

Most education is totally worthless

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Theres a speech of young Bush (throwing you guys an easy one here) talking about education and what should be done thats actually phenomenal.


Aside from the voucher stuff and the standardized testing, his platform wasn't horrible. Barry was Basically GWB but with more standardized testing and more charter schools. Charter schools are fvcking over countless school districts.


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Good education is really fing expensive

Most education is totally worthless


The value of education can only be as high as the value that a community places on it. And the problem with America is that we know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Originally Posted By: mundus
Republicans hate education, the only way they get elected is by the stupidity of the American voter.


George W Bush was big into education. But then again, he was a liberal.


Laura was a teacher. She got it.

GWB was better on education than BO.

Clinton, the pussy hound, was better than both of them.



yup.


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Originally Posted By: hal9000
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Good education is really fing expensive

Most education is totally worthless


The value of education can only be as high as the value that a community places on it. And the problem with America is that we know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


No

Everyone is made to go to school

Most realize it is a total waste of time

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Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Theres a speech of young Bush (throwing you guys an easy one here) talking about education and what should be done thats actually phenomenal.


Aside from the voucher stuff and the standardized testing, his platform wasn't horrible. Barry was Basically GWB but with more standardized testing and more charter schools. Charter schools are fvcking over countless school districts.


Obama didn't like teachers.

I don't get it.


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Theres a speech of young Bush (throwing you guys an easy one here) talking about education and what should be done thats actually phenomenal.


Aside from the voucher stuff and the standardized testing, his platform wasn't horrible. Barry was Basically GWB but with more standardized testing and more charter schools. Charter schools are fvcking over countless school districts.


Obama didn't like teachers.

I don't get it.


Because he was smart and most teachers are dumb

W was dumb, so easily fooled

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I love when people who don't know what they are talking about pretend like they do.


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We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: hal9000
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It is nowhere near the purview of the President's job to have an educational initiative.



Most presidents implement major educational initiatives.

They shouldn't They should stay in their lane and within their duties outlined in the Constitution.

Also, something that started in the late 20th Century isn't "most presidents" Did Andrew Jackson and James K Polk implement educational initiatives?


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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
It's probably best he doesn't.


it might be all about Biff and Buffy.

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I love when people who don't know what they are talking about pretend like they do.


This.


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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It is nowhere near the purview of the President's job to have an educational initiative.



Most presidents implement major educational initiatives.

They shouldn't They should stay in their lane and within their duties outlined in the Constitution.

Also, something that started in the late 20th Century isn't "most presidents" Did Andrew Jackson and James K Polk implement educational initiatives?



But most of them DO have educational initiatives, especially the ones who are big on domestic policy. OK, fine, most presidents during the past 119 years have had educational initiatives.


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Trump is apparently going for the "call teachers idiots and still hope they vote for me" move, lulz.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...-181641739.html

I can't wait to see him indicted.


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Where (and what) is the Trump administration's education platform?
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Every president has a signature educational initiative. We're in the third year of Trump's presidency and have yet to see any new policy. What gives?

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Good education is really fing expensive

Most education is totally worthless


The value of education can only be as high as the value that a community places on it. And the problem with America is that we know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


No

Everyone is made to go to school

Most realize it is a total waste of time




thanks for proving my point. did you do that intentionally?


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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Theres a speech of young Bush (throwing you guys an easy one here) talking about education and what should be done thats actually phenomenal.


Aside from the voucher stuff and the standardized testing, his platform wasn't horrible. Barry was Basically GWB but with more standardized testing and more charter schools. Charter schools are fvcking over countless school districts.


Obama didn't like teachers.

I don't get it.


Because he was smart and most teachers are dumb

W was dumb, so easily fooled


thanks for proving my point. did you do that intentionally?


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Originally Posted By: hal9000
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Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Good education is really fing expensive

Most education is totally worthless


The value of education can only be as high as the value that a community places on it. And the problem with America is that we know the price of everything and the value of nothing.


No

Everyone is made to go to school

Most realize it is a total waste of time




thanks for proving my point. did you do that intentionally?


I think spending a lot on education makes sense but just pumping money into public schools which are run by idiots is dumb

Cool?

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How would you deal with the task of providing public education, B?


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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How would you deal with the task of providing public education, B?


Vouchers

Not because I think the average private school is necessarily better, but more to create competition

Public schools have no consequence for failure

If their income stream could walk away, they would improve

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No consequence for failure? When I was in school if you failed you got held back, you didn't pass you didn't finish that grade. That is just one example. Has something changed?

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No consequence for failure? When I was in school if you failed you got held back, you didn't pass you didn't finish that grade. That is just one example. Has something changed?


The employees, smart guy

Clearly, they taught you well

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You seem extremely pent up lately Billy.

Another hiatus would do you some good.

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How would you deal with the task of providing public education, B?


Vouchers

Not because I think the average private school is necessarily better, but more to create competition

Public schools have no consequence for failure

If their income stream could walk away, they would improve



I was hoping you would come up with some interesting solution that I hadn't thought of.

You've gone full retard on this one.


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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No consequence for failure? When I was in school if you failed you got held back, you didn't pass you didn't finish that grade. That is just one example. Has something changed?


The employees, smart guy

Clearly, they taught you well



How many school administrators do you know?


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I think we can all agree that if diversity were better funded and coordinated that would solve a lot of problems, even if we have to invent problems to be solved.


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Originally Posted By: hal9000
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No consequence for failure? When I was in school if you failed you got held back, you didn't pass you didn't finish that grade. That is just one example. Has something changed?


The employees, smart guy

Clearly, they taught you well



How many school administrators do you know?


Somewhere between zero and 1000

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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
How would you deal with the task of providing public education, B?


Vouchers

Not because I think the average private school is necessarily better, but more to create competition

Public schools have no consequence for failure

If their income stream could walk away, they would improve



I was hoping you would come up with some interesting solution that I hadn't thought of.

You've gone full retard on this one.




Have vouchers ever been tried on a large scale?

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
How would you deal with the task of providing public education, B?


Vouchers

Not because I think the average private school is necessarily better, but more to create competition

Public schools have no consequence for failure

If their income stream could walk away, they would improve



I was hoping you would come up with some interesting solution that I hadn't thought of.

You've gone full retard on this one.




Have vouchers ever been tried on a large scale?



People always trot out the old "vouchers" trope whenever these discussions come up. I doubt many even understand what a voucher is, nor do they understand the unintended consequences that would accompany them.

In my opinion, they would increase the amount of money given to private and religious schools and they would exacerbate the existing inequities in our public education system. Affluent families would end up competing for seats in the best schools while the have-nots would have to settle for worse schools. Things would stay the same or get worse.

You should read the Jersey Jazzman's twitter and blog posts about school funding. I think he's a researcher in that field and has some great insights.






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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: manbearpig
No consequence for failure? When I was in school if you failed you got held back, you didn't pass you didn't finish that grade. That is just one example. Has something changed?


The employees, smart guy

Clearly, they taught you well



How many school administrators do you know?


Somewhere between zero and 1000



it's also interesting that you fail to bring up the #1 most important factor that determines a school's and a student's success: PARENTS.


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DeVoss screwing student loan holders for the benefit of the for profit education/financial industries.

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