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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: everysurfr] #2912111
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
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Now excuse me while I throw rocks over the wall into the playground. Maybe there is a kid I'm going to kill, maybe there isn't. I just don't know.

But you are all good with that, right? Less Groms in the line-up after all.


Why can't you answer my questions?

What if a baby is miscarried at 8 weeks, 2 weeks after a heartbeat? Autopsy? Investigation? Forced burial?

If a 6 month old dies, an investigation follows. If a fetus is a person, will there be miscarriage investigations? If a 6 month old is given vodka in her and dies, an investigation and charges would follow. If a mother drinks vodka and then miscarries, will investigation follow?


It's a silly question. A death under a doctor's care doesn't require autopsy. Will there be miscarriage investigations? Maybe if "foul play" is suspected. The law is already, if you assault a pregnant mom, and the baby dies, you get charged with murder.

Your questions are for a lawyer, not a surfing carpenter.


How much can you really care about a 6-week old fetus if you're not willing to investigate their death in the same manner as a 6 month old child?


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Why are conserBBatives so terrible at analogies?


"To be a master of metaphor," Aristotle wrote in his Poetics, "is the greatest thing by far. It is the one thing that cannot be learnt from others, and it is also a sign of genius."


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole] #2912162
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Now excuse me while I throw rocks over the wall into the playground. Maybe there is a kid I'm going to kill, maybe there isn't. I just don't know.

But you are all good with that, right? Less Groms in the line-up after all.


Why can't you answer my questions?

What if a baby is miscarried at 8 weeks, 2 weeks after a heartbeat? Autopsy? Investigation? Forced burial?

If a 6 month old dies, an investigation follows. If a fetus is a person, will there be miscarriage investigations? If a 6 month old is given vodka in her and dies, an investigation and charges would follow. If a mother drinks vodka and then miscarries, will investigation follow?


It's a silly question. A death under a doctor's care doesn't require autopsy. Will there be miscarriage investigations? Maybe if "foul play" is suspected. The law is already, if you assault a pregnant mom, and the baby dies, you get charged with murder.

Your questions are for a lawyer, not a surfing carpenter.


How much can you really care about a 6-week old fetus if you're not willing to investigate their death in the same manner as a 6 month old child?



You are being intentionally awkward. Carpenters aren't willing to investigate much of anything. It's not my place to make rules. I asked the difficult question of when a baby is alive. I think you shouldn't kill anything until you know.

Beyond that I don't have much of an opinion. Yea , I know, who would have thought...


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole] #2912177
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Since you dipshits messed up the abortion topic, let me try again with a different title.

There are bills out there that would protect human life starting at conception.

So how do you police these pregnancies, particularly in the first 12 weeks or so?

Do you have to bury every miscarried "person"?

Will a criminal investigation be required for every "person" who doesn't make it to term?

Will doctors be required to report the end of pregnancies to the authorities?









These laws will go nowhere. The people advocating for them are doing so to get the votes of the morons that keep them in power.

All of your questions are superfluous.


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Now excuse me while I throw rocks over the wall into the playground. Maybe there is a kid I'm going to kill, maybe there isn't. I just don't know.

But you are all good with that, right? Less Groms in the line-up after all.


Why can't you answer my questions?

What if a baby is miscarried at 8 weeks, 2 weeks after a heartbeat? Autopsy? Investigation? Forced burial?

If a 6 month old dies, an investigation follows. If a fetus is a person, will there be miscarriage investigations? If a 6 month old is given vodka in her and dies, an investigation and charges would follow. If a mother drinks vodka and then miscarries, will investigation follow?


It's a silly question. A death under a doctor's care doesn't require autopsy. Will there be miscarriage investigations? Maybe if "foul play" is suspected. The law is already, if you assault a pregnant mom, and the baby dies, you get charged with murder.

Your questions are for a lawyer, not a surfing carpenter.


How much can you really care about a 6-week old fetus if you're not willing to investigate their death in the same manner as a 6 month old child?



You are being intentionally awkward. Carpenters aren't willing to investigate much of anything. It's not my place to make rules. I asked the difficult question of when a baby is alive. I think you shouldn't kill anything until you know.

Beyond that I don't have much of an opinion. Yea , I know, who would have thought...


There are problems with your diction. You are using words that don't accurately describe reality.

As such, I think you have fallen victim of your own framing effect.

It happens to the best of us.

Thank god you are not making policy.

That is being reserved the experts in goverment.




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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: Duffy] #2913090
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Since you dipshits messed up the abortion topic, let me try again with a different title.

There are bills out there that would protect human life starting at conception.

So how do you police these pregnancies, particularly in the first 12 weeks or so?

Do you have to bury every miscarried "person"?

Will a criminal investigation be required for every "person" who doesn't make it to term?

Will doctors be required to report the end of pregnancies to the authorities?









These laws will go nowhere. The people advocating for them are doing so to get the votes of the morons that keep them in power.

All of your questions are superfluous.


Wanna bet?

https://www.wane.com/news/national-world...ture/1773788939

All of my questions are relevant.

But let me ask one more - what's the moral hazard with aborting early-stage fetuses? The fetus isn't aware that it's being aborted and the only person likely to grieve over the loss is the one making the choice to abort.


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: everysurfr] #2913098
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
How do you enforce? Same as any law. If a doctor says , "i do second trimenter abortions", lock him up.

Before an abortion, use heart monitor. You do your best.


An amnio is done around 16 to 20 weeks, well into the second trimester. So if genetic abnormalities and/or other defects are detected, you'd take abortion off the table?


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He will raise the baby for the person who would prefer to kill her lamo kid.


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole] #2913121
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I have a friend with a downs syndrome kid. While it is work, the kid has a good life. He has as much right to life as I do.

If the kid has a disease that will end their life, then let nature take its course.

Do you want to kill the handicapped? Is that what you are proposing?

The pro choice folks say it's a right to privacy that lets a woman control her own body. I think that right applies to babies too. Now, if anyone knows when a group of cells isn't a baby, go for it. But so far, nobody has that answer.


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: everysurfr] #2913127
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
I have a friend with a downs syndrome kid. While it is work, the kid has a good life. He has as much right to life as I do.

If the kid has a disease that will end their life, then let nature take its course.

Do you want to kill the handicapped? Is that what you are proposing?

The pro choice folks say it's a right to privacy that lets a woman control her own body. I think that right applies to babies too. Now, if anyone knows when a group of cells isn't a baby, go for it. But so far, nobody has that answer.


So even if a child has no chance of life, you'd make the mother go through the entire pregnancy? That's fucked up. crazy2


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
I have a friend with a downs syndrome kid. While it is work, the kid has a good life. He has as much right to life as I do.

If the kid has a disease that will end their life, then let nature take its course.

Do you want to kill the handicapped? Is that what you are proposing?

The pro choice folks say it's a right to privacy that lets a woman control her own body. I think that right applies to babies too. Now, if anyone knows when a group of cells isn't a baby, go for it. But so far, nobody has that answer.


What's wrong with ending a life early in the pregnancy?

Nobody will ever know him. He'll never know he was aborted. What's the driver behind your "every life must live" thought?


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole] #2913136
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I don't make anyone do anything. Life sucks, then you die. Yea, the baby got delt a shitty hand.

There are lots of people with cancer in hospice. They suffer then they die. They have no chance at life either. Same rules apply. Everybody gets to live until they can't.

You are arguing the outlier. Let's talk about the majority of abortions.

The baby is healthy and in its second to third month. It has little arms and legs. If nobody interfered, that little guy would live for 80 years. Have tons of friends, maybe get married and have their own kids. Maybe a dog or two. Has a job that is tolerable, but the weekends are free to play frisbee on the beach.

And the mom got pregnant because a condom didn't feel good, or couldn't count days, or got drunk and thought some looser looked cute.

So are you willing to cheat the baby out of 80 years, so the mom's boobs don't sag, and she can still party?


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Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: everysurfr] #2913142
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
I don't make anyone do anything. Life sucks, then you die. Yea, the baby got delt a shitty hand.

There are lots of people with cancer in hospice. They suffer then they die. They have no chance at life either. Same rules apply. Everybody gets to live until they can't.

You are arguing the outlier. Let's talk about the majority of abortions.

The baby is healthy and in its second to third month. It has little arms and legs. If nobody interfered, that little guy would live for 80 years. Have tons of friends, maybe get married and have their own kids. Maybe a dog or two. Has a job that is tolerable, but the weekends are free to play frisbee on the beach.

And the mom got pregnant because a condom didn't feel good, or couldn't count days, or got drunk and thought some looser looked cute.

So are you willing to cheat the baby out of 80 years, so the mom's boobs don't sag, and she can still party?




Yes.

The baby isn't a person yet at that stage. No real brain activity to speak of yet, no personality, no friends, no family. In fact, it may still be miscarried. What ethical mandate compels us to let that baby live? Nobody but perhaps the mother herself will miss him. It's possible that nobody even knows he exists. He certainly won't know what's going on.


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
I don't make anyone do anything. Life sucks, then you die. Yea, the baby got delt a shitty hand.

There are lots of people with cancer in hospice. They suffer then they die. They have no chance at life either. Same rules apply. Everybody gets to live until they can't.

You are arguing the outlier. Let's talk about the majority of abortions.

The baby is healthy and in its second to third month. It has little arms and legs. If nobody interfered, that little guy would live for 80 years. Have tons of friends, maybe get married and have their own kids. Maybe a dog or two. Has a job that is tolerable, but the weekends are free to play frisbee on the beach.

And the mom got pregnant because a condom didn't feel good, or couldn't count days, or got drunk and thought some looser looked cute.

So are you willing to cheat the baby out of 80 years, so the mom's boobs don't sag, and she can still party?




Most second trimester abortions are the result of complications. First trimester you're correct. However, if you want to reduce abortions, increase education and provide contraception for free/cheap.

With the latter part of your post, think about how many lives you prematurely aborted by getting a bummer or doing a little coitus interruptus like our good friend Onan. Yeah, supposedly God killed him for that.


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And on the hospice front, I'm fine with assisted suicide.

It's weird to me that we're ok euthanizing pets who have no say but not people who do.


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