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#2911883 - 02/11/19 12:04 PM Embryonic Life Protection
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Since you dipshits messed up the abortion topic, let me try again with a different title.

There are bills out there that would protect human life starting at conception.

So how do you police these pregnancies, particularly in the first 12 weeks or so?

Do you have to bury every miscarried "person"?

Will a criminal investigation be required for every "person" who doesn't make it to term?

Will doctors be required to report the end of pregnancies to the authorities?
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#2911905 - 02/11/19 12:48 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole]
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Will this extend to social inequities?
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#2911908 - 02/11/19 12:50 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole]
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Just Republicans keeping govt out our lives.

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#2911938 - 02/11/19 01:28 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole]
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I'm guessing we won't see any responses from the "pro life" crowd.

But these aren't random hypotheticals. There are bills across the country that will declare any fetus with a detectable heartbeat a person. How do you enforce laws on behalf of a 5 or 6 week old fetus? Women miscarry at and beyond this stage all the time. Manslaughter if they drank too much one night and then miscarried? Is an autopsy required in such cases? Burial for the fetus? What if the mom didn't even know she was pregnant?
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#2911966 - 02/11/19 01:55 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole]
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
I'm guessing we won't see any responses from the "pro life" crowd.

But these aren't random hypotheticals. There are bills across the country that will declare any fetus with a detectable heartbeat a person. How do you enforce laws on behalf of a 5 or 6 week old fetus? Women miscarry at and beyond this stage all the time. Manslaughter if they drank too much one night and then miscarried? Is an autopsy required in such cases? Burial for the fetus? What if the mom didn't even know she was pregnant?



Anecdotal story on the subject that I read on the twits:

The fetal heartbeat laws are just a ban on abortions. A woman could notice her missed cycle at the 4 to 5 week mark. You can get pee test sticks on the cheap at a 99cent store. Schedule appointment with primary that may be 2 weeks out and that puts you in the ~6 to 7 weeks range. There is now a detectable heartbeat.


Edited by Phi1 (02/11/19 01:57 PM)
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#2911970 - 02/11/19 02:01 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: Phi1]
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Originally Posted By: Phi1
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
I'm guessing we won't see any responses from the "pro life" crowd.

But these aren't random hypotheticals. There are bills across the country that will declare any fetus with a detectable heartbeat a person. How do you enforce laws on behalf of a 5 or 6 week old fetus? Women miscarry at and beyond this stage all the time. Manslaughter if they drank too much one night and then miscarried? Is an autopsy required in such cases? Burial for the fetus? What if the mom didn't even know she was pregnant?



Anecdotal story on the subject that I read on the twits:

The fetal heartbeat laws are just a ban on abortions. A woman could notice her missed cycle at the 4 to 5 week mark. You can get pee test sticks on the cheap at a 99cent store. Schedule appointment with primary that may be 2 weeks out and that puts you in the ~6 to 7 weeks range. There is now a detectable heartbeat.


But still - what if she miscarries the next week?

Will she need to be investigated for murder? Maybe she did something to end the pregnancy?

Can you flush the fetus at 7 weeks if it plops out in the toilet or do you need to take it to the police so they can analyze? What if they're not sure if there was a heartbeat or not? Autopsy?
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#2911990 - 02/11/19 02:17 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole]
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
I'm guessing we won't see any responses from the "pro life" crowd.

But these aren't random hypotheticals. There are bills across the country that will declare any fetus with a detectable heartbeat a person. How do you enforce laws on behalf of a 5 or 6 week old fetus? Women miscarry at and beyond this stage all the time. Manslaughter if they drank too much one night and then miscarried? Is an autopsy required in such cases? Burial for the fetus? What if the mom didn't even know she was pregnant?


You're doing it again.

No one was arguing against 1st Trimester abortions.

The gotcha game is more tired than the goast nonsense
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#2911991 - 02/11/19 02:18 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
I'm guessing we won't see any responses from the "pro life" crowd.

But these aren't random hypotheticals. There are bills across the country that will declare any fetus with a detectable heartbeat a person. How do you enforce laws on behalf of a 5 or 6 week old fetus? Women miscarry at and beyond this stage all the time. Manslaughter if they drank too much one night and then miscarried? Is an autopsy required in such cases? Burial for the fetus? What if the mom didn't even know she was pregnant?


You're doing it again.

No one was arguing against 1st Trimester abortions.


Didn't everysurf say he can't know when a kid is a kid so there for no abortions?
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#2911995 - 02/11/19 02:22 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: StuAzole]
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If the science concludes they can feel pain and react to stimuli at a given point then maybe the coroners should get involved.

If it makes you happier we can have those performed in non-sterile production factory facilities so they're more closely resemble a medical waste facility.

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#2911999 - 02/11/19 02:24 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: GDaddy]
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the science concludes they can feel pain and react to stimuli at a given point then maybe the coroners should get involved.



so we should all be vegetarian?
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#2912002 - 02/11/19 02:25 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: hal9000]
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the science concludes they can feel pain and react to stimuli at a given point then maybe the coroners should get involved.



so we should all be vegetarian?

Are you suggesting we apply animal cruelty laws to abortions? 'Cause it would be tough to argue these babies are being conceived to eat. Or skin. Or feed to our cattle or pets

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#2912003 - 02/11/19 02:25 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: hal9000]
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Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the science concludes they can feel pain and react to stimuli at a given point then maybe the coroners should get involved.



so we should all be vegetarian?


Red herring

I hear plants feel pain too, so I guess we should just all starve
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#2912005 - 02/11/19 02:27 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: hal9000
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the science concludes they can feel pain and react to stimuli at a given point then maybe the coroners should get involved.



so we should all be vegetarian?


Red herring

I hear plants feel pain too, so I guess we should just all starve


No credible scientific study has ever suggested this.
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#2912034 - 02/11/19 03:06 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
I'm guessing we won't see any responses from the "pro life" crowd.

But these aren't random hypotheticals. There are bills across the country that will declare any fetus with a detectable heartbeat a person. How do you enforce laws on behalf of a 5 or 6 week old fetus? Women miscarry at and beyond this stage all the time. Manslaughter if they drank too much one night and then miscarried? Is an autopsy required in such cases? Burial for the fetus? What if the mom didn't even know she was pregnant?


You're doing it again.

No one was arguing against 1st Trimester abortions.

The gotcha game is more tired than the goast nonsense


Nobody but the several states that are pushing fetal heartbeat bills?
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#2912037 - 02/11/19 03:08 PM Re: Embryonic Life Protection [Re: GDaddy]
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
If the science concludes they can feel pain and react to stimuli at a given point then maybe the coroners should get involved.

If it makes you happier we can have those performed in non-sterile production factory facilities so they're more closely resemble a medical waste facility.


Fetal heartbeat bills dont consider that. Their push is to make a fetus a person at 6 weeks.
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