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Noble People of the Errb- Computer Question #2911483
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I'm taking a few classes that require Photoshop and Autocad. By the end of the month I will be taking a new job an hour away from campus. Right now I don't mind the 20min to go to the school to use their labs but that will change when the commute more than doubles. I have an extra lap top I haven't used in awhile, a Lenovo Thinkpad. I wanted to clear that completely of everything to use solely for Photoshop and Autocad/work computer. I'm not computer savvy so I called a pro to see what could be done. He said due to the size of these programs a new drive would be installed and operating system. Overall it would come out to $200, maybe more. He says without these upgrades the computer will be considerably slow. Is this really necessary?

My computer I am using now is a Windows Surface. Not opposed to using this one if it is for some reason better, but overall haven't been very happy with this computer and would prefer to keep it seperate.

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u gonna be using the very newest version of photoshop?
look up the system requirements and see if they match your pc

also u could try running photoshop on your current setup and if it works fine, dont upgrade

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Minimum system requirements for Photoshop CC
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Minimum requirement
Processor Intel or AMD processor with 64-bit support*; 2 GHz or faster processor
Operating system Microsoft Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)*, Windows 10** (Version 1709 or later)
RAM 2 GB or more of RAM (8 GB recommended)
Hard disk space 3.1 GB or more of available hard-disk space for 64-bit installation; additional free space required during installation (cannot install on a volume that uses a case-sensitive file system)
Monitor resolution 1024 x 768 display (1280x800 recommended) with 16-bit color and 512 MB or more of dedicated VRAM; 2 GB is recommended***
Graphics processor acceleration requirements OpenGL 2.0-capable system
Internet Internet connection and registration are necessary for required software activation, validation of subscriptions, and access to online services
** The 32-bit version of Windows is no longer supported. For support with 32-bit drivers and plug-ins, use earlier versions of Photoshop: Links to prior version installers and updates.

** Not supported on Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607.

*** 3D features are disabled on computers having less than 512MB of VRAM.

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AutoCad is a RAM and processor intensive program. I wouldn't mess with anything less than the minimum hardware requirements, but if the upgrades get you there, why not shrug


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Everything seemed to be sufficient except the following (specs from my computer):
Processor: Intel Core i3-2367M CPU @ 1.4 GHz (4 CPUs) ~1.4GHz
RAM: 4 GB (3.73GB usable)

Trying to figure out if Intel HD Graphics Family is compatible with OpenGL 2.0

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Don't spend $200 to upgrade that when you can get something like this for $379

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/inspiron-15-3000/spd/inspiron-15-3567-laptop/fncwck141h

I bet there's stuff even cheaper that would work, but I just put in what came native with 8GB of RAM


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That's not a bad deal. Although I'm trying to use what I already have as I am between jobs and trying to spend as little money as I can; new job starts the 25th.

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My current computer does meet all the requirements necessary, so that'll probably be the best/cheapest option. Wanted to keep these programs separate from my non-work computer but doing it with little-no money input seems like a pipe dream.

What about installing the necessary devices to my Lenovo myself? The computer guy said the main part I need is $99, the rest was an hours labor.

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What's the OS and how much space do you have on that old laptop? I don't really think you *need* a new hard drive, maybe you need more RAM but that's cheaper than $99 I think if you DIY it.


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Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64bit
Memory: 4096 RAM

What would the downfalls be if I didn't upgrade the hard drive? Slower/laggier?

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Not sure about Autocad but for anything graphics intensive you will need more than 4GB RAM and more importantly a good video card. I don't think Photoshop eats as much memory as Autocad.

A solid state drive would definitely speed things up, I don't know what's in the Surface....

I'd say give a go with a trial version on your lappy and see how it performs.

Just be carefull with Adobe's subscription service and make sure you cancel it on time, they suck worse than 24 hour fitness if you try to leave their contract.

If you see smoke coming out, you will need an upgrade. wink2

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Fecal is spot on


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Yeah I'll give it a shot with my current laptop, thought the Lenovo would be as simple as clear everything off it. I get student discounts on all this shit, which is a massive plus.

Computer related- my Microsoft has given me problems since day one. If it's not plugged in it lags and the screen freezes; seems like everything still works behind the frozen screen. If I close the screen and reopen its fine. I've explained the issue to Microsoft and even left it with them, but nothing fixed it. Anyone know any fixes for that?

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
I'm taking a few classes that require Photoshop and Autocad.]


I would suggest dropping those classes and enrolling in Basic Economics 101.

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LMAO what are you so butt hurt about?

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I can't believe you actually responded to that. foreheadslap hah

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig


Computer related- my Microsoft has given me problems since day one. If it's not plugged in it lags and the screen freezes; seems like everything still works behind the frozen screen. If I close the screen and reopen its fine. I've explained the issue to Microsoft and even left it with them, but nothing fixed it. Anyone know any fixes for that?


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GET A MAC wink2

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ahaha I was waiting for that one. I've had them in the past, never really got the rage over them. Maybe I'll give them a go again for the next.

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If you're serious about getting a Mac, do some research about Autocad and Macs.

It maybe an ancient history now but I remember something about it being a PC only thingy.

May be totally wrong as I know nothing about Autocad but still.

Good luck.

(Also, Apple has a student program)

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Ah that could be a deal breaker. For my work AutoCad is pretty important. But I'll look into it.

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Yeah I'll give it a shot with my current laptop, thought the Lenovo would be as simple as clear everything off it. I get student discounts on all this shit, which is a massive plus.

Computer related- my Microsoft has given me problems since day one. If it's not plugged in it lags and the screen freezes; seems like everything still works behind the frozen screen. If I close the screen and reopen its fine. I've explained the issue to Microsoft and even left it with them, but nothing fixed it. Anyone know any fixes for that?


re-install windows 7
if u dont have a disk u can download the files to put on a usb drive
might have to go into bios to change boot order
u probably already know about the windows sticker and number on it...

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Yeah, I'll give that a shot the Microsoft is on Windows 10. I'd be surprised if Microsoft didn't do that when I brought it to them but its worth a shot.

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a new (hard) drive

or

new memory?

I doubt you don't have enough disk space already to run the program

RAM, on the other hand...


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I would use 8gb ram as your minimum -> 16gb or more optimum.

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I always have a feeling that RAM is a conspiracy pyramid scheme.

I keep maxing out every machine I ever get but the difference in performance is never that noticeable.

I'm sure if you put it on the bench it would show improvement but it's never palpable.

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Thanks for help all. Ended up putting photoshop on my regular computer and will do same for CAD. Seems to be fine so far. Ill save my cash for a larger screen computer.

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Unless there is a way to actually run AutoCad through a virtual machine ( I've heard there is, but I'm not sure) AutoCAD is only windows based. ( unless the did a version I don't know about.

I'm still drawing the 2004 Architectural Edition, on a XP computer, and it works fine. Unless you are doing 3d photorealistic rendering, it doesn't take that much of a computer. Especially if you are using LT.

It's a stupidly expensive program, and all the upgrades don't change the output that much. If you are going to work for a large firm, then Revit might be needed. But for just drawing, it isn't.

I don't know anything about Photoshop, so I can't help you there.


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Yeah I need Autocad for a class so no way to substitute other programs. I think I get it free as I am a student, yet again.

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Twin monitors are really nice. One for all the tools, and one for the workspace.


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Shouldn't new job supply you with the appropriate computer and software?


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No, my New job doesnt use these programs.

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Originally Posted By: FecalFace
If you're serious about getting a Mac, do some research about Autocad and Macs.

It maybe an ancient history now but I remember something about it being a PC only thingy.

May be totally wrong as I know nothing about Autocad but still.

Good luck.

(Also, Apple has a student program)

Autocad is still PC only and there's no good Mac alternative. We deal with this problem all the time


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Thanks for help all. Ended up putting photoshop on my regular computer and will do same for CAD. Seems to be fine so far. Ill save my cash for a larger screen computer.


hey i use my tv as a monitor. its really easy and will save u $$

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Interesting. Not a bad Idea, I'll give it a shot. Although minor mistakes kill me on this tiny screen, can't imagine seeing them on the big screen roflmao

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Just make sure it's not 1080p, your photos and Autocad files will look like shit

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unless you need a large screen with you in class just buy a larger stand alone monitor and attach it to your laptop. 23" monitors are $200 now.

cannot speak about Autocad but you can install Parallels on a Mac and that program allows you to access a windows based operating system from your Mac - this is how I access quickbooks (PC version) on my Mac.

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unless you need a large screen with you in class just buy a larger stand alone monitor and attach it to your laptop. 23" monitors are $200 now.

cannot speak about Autocad but you can install Parallels on a Mac and that program allows you to access a windows based operating system from your Mac - this is how I access quickbooks (PC version) on my Mac.

You can also just use Bootcamp to install a Windows partition on your Mac. You can't run them at the same time but it's free and included in OSX


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I'll probably keep it simple with the Windows computer. Knowing me doing that will cause it to implode.

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Originally Posted By: FecalFace
I always have a feeling that RAM is a conspiracy pyramid scheme.

I keep maxing out every machine I ever get but the difference in performance is never that noticeable.

I'm sure if you put it on the bench it would show improvement but it's never palpable.


More memory won't get your computer to run faster since the apps will use the memory they need, they have no use for extra memory. The problem is when you have a bottleneck and the computer needs more memory than you have available. It will freeze every thing you do. More memory is specially important for multitasking, hopefully you will have a multi-thread processor to match.

4GB is just not enough today. As soon as I turn on my mac, just by opening google chrome I'm already using almost 6GB. 4GB is not enough even for the most basic PC functions nowadays.

I'm happy with 16GB knowing that I'm sorta prepared for the near future (each new version of most apps use more and more memory)


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Originally Posted By: obslop
unless you need a large screen with you in class just buy a larger stand alone monitor and attach it to your laptop. 23" monitors are $200 now.


If you use Photoshop, care about your work and make more than memes,you will need to spend more than a $200 on a monitor.

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