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How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? #2910861
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Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children

This describes the exact sentiment of yourself and the other trump groupies roflmao

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Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children

This describes the exact sentiment of yourself and the other trump groupies roflmao

You're really slipping today, Are you drinking early?


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No beers yet, you just dont like the truth today.

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No beers yet, you just dont like the truth today.
roflmao


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children

This describes the exact sentiment of yourself and the other trump groupies roflmao

You're really slipping today, Are you drinking early?


He's not wrong. Disregarding science as part of some UN-led wealth redistribution scam is hardly a compelling "we're all in it together" argument.


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Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: ifallalot] #2910933
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children


Force them to do what?

But why not look at it like people do God? Would you rather believe and be wrong or not believe and be wrong? In other words, what's the downside for mankind if you try to cut down on global human impacts? What's the downside if you don't?


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If corporations are not free to pollute exactly as THEY see fit all of OUR lives will be ruined. bigdeal


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Corporations

Like corporations who make cars people need to drive?

Or the ones who make heat and electricity?

Or food?

How do we stop corporations from committing the sin of climate change without messing up the lives or ordinary people just trying to get by?

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I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children


Maybe they enjoy sticking it to average people

Is this some kind of sick sadism?? hithead

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I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


You clearly don't understand how that RUINED everyone's life. Ask Billy and ifall. Or just wait for Surfdog to show up and rant about China and India. cookin


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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?


A good percentage of people realize its a hoax/fraud.


This is a bad day for the news media. Lets not kid ourselves, Toobin said on CNN. The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and theyre willing to lie to do it.
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Things arent ruined because wacko enviro types are fringe

But their ideas are becoming litmus tests for a major party

Which sort of kneecaps that party

Which is why I dont get why they are being so stupid

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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
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I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


You clearly don't understand how that RUINED everyone's life. Ask Billy and ifall. Or just wait for Surfdog to show up and rant about China and India. cookin


Yeah, like I've spent 68 years in a bubble... not. It sucks for us Americans because of all those developing nations are going to continue to develop even after the good old USA goes green.


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Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


This is a bad day for the news media. Lets not kid ourselves, Toobin said on CNN. The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and theyre willing to lie to do it.
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Things arent ruined because wacko enviro types are fringe

But their ideas are becoming litmus tests for a major party

Which sort of kneecaps that party

Which is why I dont get why they are being so stupid


Who's being stupid? rolleyes


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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
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I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


You don't get to pretend that you care about pollution when you vote for and support politicians who do everything in their power to allow it to continue and get worse. Period. stfu stfd

You really want to argue who is better on that issue? socrazy


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shrug Why ask why? There are proximate threats and there are distant threats. Prioritizing the one that's right in front of your face is a much easier sell. And isn't that what you need when it comes to politics?

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Catalytic converters that came out in the 70's reduced ozone and particulates from auto emissions. This led to a HUGE improvement in local LA basin air quality.

But did nothing to reduce CO2 emissions.

Big difference between reducing actual pollution and reducing CO2.

We as humans only add 1% to maybe 2% max (in good economic times) of the earths own CO2 emissions from natural sources.

But, somehow that's now the biggest threat to mankind survival in the next 12 years.

We must fight it with all our might, no matter the cost. rolleyes

This is what it's like fighting AGW.....

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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Nothing is obscene provided it is done in bad taste.

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Originally Posted By: Kento
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
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I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Look. You lefties can take my advice or not but I can assure you that you would accomplish far more by focusing on where there is common ground and abandoning the hoax scare tactics regarding the weather.


This is a bad day for the news media. Lets not kid ourselves, Toobin said on CNN. The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and theyre willing to lie to do it.
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Right, environmental regulations like the advent of the Clean Air Act had nothing to do with it Surfdog. foreheadslap

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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Kento
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Look. You lefties can take my advice or not but I can assure you that you would accomplish far more by focusing on where there is common ground and abandoning the hoax scare tactics regarding the weather.


Stop using FAKE environmentalism as a shield. You don't give a fvck. It's part of your party's platform. Own it.


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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
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I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


For example, but encouraging more coal and fossil fuel use, by loosening environmental regulations and rolling back gas mileage requirements!


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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
You lefties can take my advice or not

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I would say the Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll leans right, but in their 2019 topline summary they have this:



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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Look. You lefties can take my advice or not but I can assure you that you would accomplish far more by focusing on where there is common ground and abandoning the hoax scare tactics regarding the weather.

Holy shit, pure comedy roflmao roflmao roflmao

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I would say the Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll leans right, but in their 2019 topline summary they have this:



Exactly

Its about as big of a concern to the average person as maybe their toast being a little too burnt in the morning

So totally go ahead a run on a platform of taking away cars and heat to combat that

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Where does it say no more cars and no more heaters?


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If it's WWII for the planet then we gots to get drastic

- End all immigration from 3rd world countries, because the change in lifestyle quadruples that individual's carbon footprint

- Nuke the urban population centers all over the world - they're not pulling their weight anyway

- No more kids for the next 10 years, and only limited reproduction after that. We can put the feminists in charge of that to make sure it happens. They're all about killing dem babies.

- Deport people from the 1st world countries to the 3rd world countries to reduce their carbon footprint - now accepting volunteers.

- no more travel

- no more entertainment - can't afford the expenditure of those resources

- no more animal protein or processed foods

- we need a Sharia Police to make sure everyone complies with the new religion on pain of stoning in the public square.


Gotta do it because it's an emergency and if we don't do it we're all gonna die.



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It always trips me out when I meet Surfers who deny climate change.Now that I think about it, I dont really know anyone IRL that deny's it, just here on the erbb. This is our home - our oceans - I would think it'd be in our best interest to do whatever it would take to protect it.

Why is this even considered a political issue and what do the scientists have to gain? The current administration is going out its way to more or less accelerate the process.

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
I would say the Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll leans right, but in their 2019 topline summary they have this:



Exactly

Its about as big of a concern to the average person as maybe their toast being a little too burnt in the morning

So totally go ahead a run on a platform of taking away cars and heat to combat that


Notice too that that measily 17% is environment and climate COMBINED!


This is a bad day for the news media. Lets not kid ourselves, Toobin said on CNN. The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and theyre willing to lie to do it.
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If it's WWII for the planet then we gots to get drastic

- End all immigration from 3rd world countries, because the change in lifestyle quadruples that individual's carbon footprint

- Nuke the urban population centers all over the world - they're not pulling their weight anyway

- No more kids for the next 10 years, and only limited reproduction after that. We can put the feminists in charge of that to make sure it happens. They're all about killing dem babies.

- Deport people from the 1st world countries to the 3rd world countries to reduce their carbon footprint - now accepting volunteers.

- no more travel

- no more entertainment - can't afford the expenditure of those resources

- no more animal protein or processed foods

- we need a Sharia Police to make sure everyone complies with the new religion on pain of stoning in the public square.


Gotta do it because it's an emergency and if we don't do it we're all gonna die.


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To bad for you guys public interest doesnt prove the science wrong.

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What's unfortunate for you guys is that the 17% indicates how few people are sufficiently frightened to go to WWII over climate change. .

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roflmao roflmao you havent been making much sense lately.

I was unaware 1500 people speak for the entire country.

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The 17% indicates to people who are highly motivated on the subject, which will obviously be a smaller subset of the people who take the "97% concensus" at their word.

I think it would be an interesting question to ask people if they'd be willing to pay $6/gallon for gas if it would reduce our exposure to climate change by, let's say, 20%. Not that paying $6/gallon would do anything of the sort, but just the act of quantifying their concerns would be interesting regardless of the answer.

Wouldn't you like to see a measure of how motivated people really are on the subject?

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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Where does it say no more cars and no more heaters?


So I take it youre a GND aficionado

100% renewable fuel ( no nukes!) in 12 yrs

How do you do dat without taking everyones cars?

Most people buy a car every 10 yrs

You wont replace the fleet w/o confiscation

Heat: renewables have blackouts

Tell people in Chicago when its -20 that theres no heat that day because the wind dnt blow and the sun dnt shiiiine

The blues songs write themselves

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If corporations are not free to pollute exactly as THEY see fit all of OUR lives will be ruined. bigdeal
Glad to see you're resisting.....or something.


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Where does it say no more cars and no more heaters?


So I take it you’re a GND aficionado

100% renewable fuel ( no nukes!) in 12 yrs

How do you do dat without taking everyone’s cars?

Most people buy a car every 10 yrs

You won’t replace the fleet w/o confiscation

Heat: renewables have blackouts

Tell people in Chicago when it’s -20 that there’s no heat that day because the wind dn’t blow and the sun dn’t shiiiine

The blues songs write themselves
Billy clutching the pearls then wetting the bed.

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Where does it say no more cars and no more heaters?


So I take it you’re a GND aficionado

100% renewable fuel ( no nukes!) in 12 yrs

How do you do dat without taking everyone’s cars?

Most people buy a car every 10 yrs

You won’t replace the fleet w/o confiscation

Heat: renewables have blackouts

Tell people in Chicago when it’s -20 that there’s no heat that day because the wind dn’t blow and the sun dn’t shiiiine

The blues songs write themselves
Billy clutching the pearls then wetting the bed.
Devastating.


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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
The 17% indicates to people who are highly motivated on the subject, which will obviously be a smaller subset of the people who take the "97% concensus" at their word.

I think it would be an interesting question to ask people if they'd be willing to pay $6/gallon for gas if it would reduce our exposure to climate change by, let's say, 20%. Not that paying $6/gallon would do anything of the sort, but just the act of quantifying their concerns would be interesting regardless of the answer.

Wouldn't you like to see a measure of how motivated people really are on the subject?

Oh sorry my mistake, I didnt realize 17% of 1500 highly motivated people spoke for the country.

roflmao roflmao

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Originally Posted By: mundus
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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Where does it say no more cars and no more heaters?


So I take it you’re a GND aficionado

100% renewable fuel ( no nukes!) in 12 yrs

How do you do dat without taking everyone’s cars?

Most people buy a car every 10 yrs

You won’t replace the fleet w/o confiscation

Heat: renewables have blackouts

Tell people in Chicago when it’s -20 that there’s no heat that day because the wind dn’t blow and the sun dn’t shiiiine

The blues songs write themselves
Billy clutching the pearls then wetting the bed.


You want me to be wrong so bad buuuuuut you know i have a point

I dont hate you man

Step into reality!

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The 17% indicates to people who are highly motivated on the subject, which will obviously be a smaller subset of the people who take the "97% concensus" at their word.

I think it would be an interesting question to ask people if they'd be willing to pay $6/gallon for gas if it would reduce our exposure to climate change by, let's say, 20%. Not that paying $6/gallon would do anything of the sort, but just the act of quantifying their concerns would be interesting regardless of the answer.

Wouldn't you like to see a measure of how motivated people really are on the subject?

Oh sorry my mistake, I didnt realize 17% of 1500 highly motivated people spoke for the country.

roflmao roflmao
Are you acting like a dingaling or do really just not get it?


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Do dems really think the average person wants to upend their entire life to solve this shit?

They don't care about the average person or the average person's life. They know what is best and they will force everyone to do so

For the children


Force them to do what?

But why not look at it like people do God? Would you rather believe and be wrong or not believe and be wrong? In other words, what's the downside for mankind if you try to cut down on global human impacts? What's the downside if you don't?

And now you're assuming I'm a climate denier too? You're really off your game

Try again.

Clamping down on 4% of the world's population when places like India and China exist amounts to nothing more than large-scale virtue signaling.


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Green New Deal / Collective Suicide

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The whole proposal is pure comedy

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Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.

Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable clean energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.

Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every combustion-engine vehicle trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built everywhere, though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.

Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to retrofit every building in America with state of the art energy efficiency. I repeat, every building in America. That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced withwell, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.

Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary. Good luck Hawaii! Californias high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the states biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as well see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?

A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension. You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified massive taxation. On the bright side, when youre foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.

Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American

A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide healthy food to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).

A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, safe, affordable, adequate housing for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.

Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work. Just to reiterate: if youre unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.

Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we cant get zero emissions in 10 years because we arent sure that well be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast. The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.


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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
The 17% indicates to people who are highly motivated on the subject, which will obviously be a smaller subset of the people who take the "97% concensus" at their word.

I think it would be an interesting question to ask people if they'd be willing to pay $6/gallon for gas if it would reduce our exposure to climate change by, let's say, 20%. Not that paying $6/gallon would do anything of the sort, but just the act of quantifying their concerns would be interesting regardless of the answer.

Wouldn't you like to see a measure of how motivated people really are on the subject?

Looks like 42% wouldn't be willing to pay even $1 more on a monthly energy bill, let along $4 extra per gallon of gas

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/15/climate-change-money-survey/


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I think there's a huge difference between asking people if they like puppies in the abstract vs asking them if they want to adopt 6 of them today.

I like puppies, and I might even adopt a couple over the next few years. But you're going to have to assert a shtload of coercion on me if you intend to require me to adopt a half dozen of them at the same time.


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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
I think there's a huge difference between asking people if they like puppies in the abstract vs asking them if they want to adopt 6 of them today.

I like puppies, and I might even adopt a couple over the next few years. But you're going to have to assert a shtload of coercion on me if you intend to require me to adopt a half dozen of them at the same time.


Exactly

The typical dumbass dem, like our friends here, just wants the government to do something maybe, like, to corporations

Problem solved amigo!

No cost to them!

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Why are you mischaracterizing the wants of others, B?


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
I think there's a huge difference between asking people if they like puppies in the abstract vs asking them if they want to adopt 6 of them today.

I like puppies, and I might even adopt a couple over the next few years. But you're going to have to assert a shtload of coercion on me if you intend to require me to adopt a half dozen of them at the same time.


Exactly

The typical dumbass dem, like our friends here, just wants “the government” to “do something” maybe, like, “to corporations”

Problem solved amigo!

No cost to them!

tomato
You really are a fooking idiot, the whole thing is a trial balloon to get things going in the right direction and you just can't help wetting the bed over it,

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Did you anti green guys think the oil lobby tries to stifle innovation of alternative fuel sources?

Do you think they try to undermine the consensus in the scientific field that humans are affecting the climate negatively?


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Did you anti green guys think the oil lobby tries to stifle innovation of alternative fuel sources?

Do you think they try to undermine the consensus in the scientific field that humans are affecting the climate negatively?



Yes, its a big conspiracy

Theyve managed to trick everybody into wanting cars and electricity

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I think there's a huge difference between asking people if they like puppies in the abstract vs asking them if they want to adopt 6 of them today.

I like puppies, and I might even adopt a couple over the next few years. But you're going to have to assert a shtload of coercion on me if you intend to require me to adopt a half dozen of them at the same time.


Exactly

The typical dumbass dem, like our friends here, just wants “the government” to “do something” maybe, like, “to corporations”

Problem solved amigo!

No cost to them!

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You really are a fooking idiot, the whole thing is a trial balloon to get things going in the right direction and you just can't help wetting the bed over it,


Are you going to give up your car?

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Did you anti green guys think the oil lobby tries to stifle innovation of alternative fuel sources?

Do you think they try to undermine the consensus in the scientific field that humans are affecting the climate negatively?



Yes, it’s a big conspiracy

They’ve managed to trick everybody into wanting cars and electricity
It actually is, the oil companies knew about global warming in the 70's and suppressed the info and funded anti science propaganda(merchants of doubt).

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Ok, but so what?

Doesnt change reality

Do you need a car or not?

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so dumb

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Have fun walking!

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Keep wetting the bed.

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Ok, but so what?

Doesnt change reality

Do you need a car or not?


Are you being dumb because you are dumb or are you baiting with stupidity?


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Ok, but so what?

Doesn’t change reality

Do you need a car or not?


Are you being dumb because you are dumb or are you baiting with stupidity?
A question I have pondered myself, a talented troll or a severe case of Dunning-Kruger?

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I wonder how much GDaddy and Billy are willing to pay for the wall? Maybe GDaddy can start by giving up his cushy state run and tax payer funded pension? Billy will likely have to donate his welfare check or food stamps if he actually cares about the wall.


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I dont care about a wall

Im ok if the government pays for it by taxing other people besides me though

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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
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Ok, but so what?

Doesnt change reality

Do you need a car or not?


Are you being dumb because you are dumb or are you baiting with stupidity?


The only stupid thing is that you and others take these wacky manifestos seriously

Lets see you give up all of your fossil fuel stuff

Oh, you dont want to?

Me either!

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Nobody is saying end fossil fuels today, only bedwetters insist on mischaracterizing the debate while acting as useful idiots for the industry.

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Better start planning

Dont buy that new car!

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Why are you mischaracterizing the wants of others, B?


There's no mischaracterization there. That's what the average young and dumb "socialist" thinks they want


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Why are you mischaracterizing the wants of others, B?


There's no mischaracterization there. That's what the average young and dumb "socialist" thinks they want

Really, you learn that on the Reddit Trump fanboy page?

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And you were doing so well today!


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Lol! You outed yourself as a reddit troll and now butthurt, lol!

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Why are you mischaracterizing the wants of others, B?


There's no mischaracterization there. That's what the average young and dumb "socialist" thinks they want



Billy made it an either or issue based on a faulty premise.

he always do that


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Dont forget- no more cows!!

You may like hamburgers, steaks, cheese, milkshakes

Too bad shitlord!

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Originally Posted By: mundus
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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
Did you anti green guys think the oil lobby tries to stifle innovation of alternative fuel sources?

Do you think they try to undermine the consensus in the scientific field that humans are affecting the climate negatively?



Yes, it’s a big conspiracy

They’ve managed to trick everybody into wanting cars and electricity
It actually is, the oil companies knew about global warming in the 70's and suppressed the info and funded anti science propaganda(merchants of doubt).


So are you saying that in the 70s it was the oil industry and big auto that was scaring us into thinking we were heading into a new ice age?


This is a bad day for the news media. Lets not kid ourselves, Toobin said on CNN. The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and theyre willing to lie to do it.
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Dont forget- no more cows!!

You may like hamburgers, steaks, cheese, milkshakes

Too bad shitlord!


Actually, this is wrong.

You just don't want commercial factory meat production.


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Sorry, no steak for you

Must protect the Earf you see

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I can eat a plant based diet no problem.

human's are highly adaptable.

You're nervous system is messing up your cognition B

Nanny nanny boo boo!


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: Autoprax
I can eat a plant based diet no problem.

human's are highly adaptable.

You're nervous system is messing up your cognition B

Nanny nanny boo boo!

Eating cow is plant based. They're herbivores.


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Lets say youre in a restaurant and you order a steak

Mmm mmm

Then some dude pops up from the booth behind you and says, nope! You cant order that!

You would think that guy was a psychotic asshole

Thats the dems

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Lets say youre in a restaurant and you order a steak

Mmm mmm

Then some dude pops up from the booth behind you and says, nope! You cant order that!

You would think that guy was a psychotic asshole

Thats the dems

And he tells you you can't order it because either its mean to kill animals or the animal's farts are causing global warming


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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I can eat a plant based diet no problem.

human's are highly adaptable.

You're nervous system is messing up your cognition B

Nanny nanny boo boo!

Eating cow is plant based. They're herbivores.


Oh, I eat cows too,

Herd animals on an open range prevent desertification.

It's the factory farming that screws shit up.

Billy is just being retarded


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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I can eat a plant based diet no problem.

human's are highly adaptable.

You're nervous system is messing up your cognition B

Nanny nanny boo boo!

Eating cow is plant based. They're herbivores.


the vast majority of meat produced in the US is not raised on a
herbivorous diet.


Well, someone is stupid but it's not Shakespeare.
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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I can eat a plant based diet no problem.

human's are highly adaptable.

You're nervous system is messing up your cognition B

Nanny nanny boo boo!

Eating cow is plant based. They're herbivores.

WAT roflmao roflmao roflmao

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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
I can eat a plant based diet no problem.

human's are highly adaptable.

You're nervous system is messing up your cognition B

Nanny nanny boo boo!

Eating cow is plant based. They're herbivores.

WAT roflmao roflmao roflmao

Yes it was a joke.


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Thank god, I wasn't near my fainting couch for that one.

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*ocean is full of trash*

*air is literally toxic*

*corpo dumping cancer into your drinking water*

*average lifespan of american declining precipitously*

IFALLALOT/GROMSDAD/CASA_/average republican

"heh, at least i'm not one of those pussies worried about the environment"

*flicks cigarette butt*

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Originally Posted By: TECHNOBUTT


IFALLALOT/GROMSDAD/CASA_/average republican

"heh, at least i'm not one of those pussies worried about the environment"

*flicks cigarette butt*




That post just shows your complete lack of intelligence.


This is a bad day for the news media. Lets not kid ourselves, Toobin said on CNN. The larger message that a lot of people are going to take from this story is that the news media are a bunch of leftist liars who are dying to get the president, and theyre willing to lie to do it.
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