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#2910946 - 02/08/19 05:23 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: sizzld1]
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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


You clearly don't understand how that RUINED everyone's life. Ask Billy and ifall. Or just wait for Surfdog to show up and rant about China and India. cookin


Yeah, like I've spent 68 years in a bubble... not. It sucks for us Americans because of all those developing nations are going to continue to develop even after the good old USA goes green.
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#2910948 - 02/08/19 05:24 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: JEwing]
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Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.
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#2910949 - 02/08/19 05:27 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: BillyOcean]
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Things arent ruined because wacko enviro types are fringe

But their ideas are becoming litmus tests for a major party

Which sort of kneecaps that party

Which is why I dont get why they are being so stupid


Who's being stupid? rolleyes
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#2910950 - 02/08/19 05:29 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


You don't get to pretend that you care about pollution when you vote for and support politicians who do everything in their power to allow it to continue and get worse. Period. stfu stfd

You really want to argue who is better on that issue? socrazy
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#2910952 - 02/08/19 05:34 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: BillyOcean]
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shrug Why ask why? There are proximate threats and there are distant threats. Prioritizing the one that's right in front of your face is a much easier sell. And isn't that what you need when it comes to politics?

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#2910953 - 02/08/19 05:35 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: sizzld1]
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Catalytic converters that came out in the 70's reduced ozone and particulates from auto emissions. This led to a HUGE improvement in local LA basin air quality.

But did nothing to reduce CO2 emissions.

Big difference between reducing actual pollution and reducing CO2.

We as humans only add 1% to maybe 2% max (in good economic times) of the earths own CO2 emissions from natural sources.

But, somehow that's now the biggest threat to mankind survival in the next 12 years.

We must fight it with all our might, no matter the cost. rolleyes

This is what it's like fighting AGW.....

via GIPHY

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#2910957 - 02/08/19 05:48 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?
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#2910958 - 02/08/19 05:51 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: Kento]
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Originally Posted By: Kento
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Look. You lefties can take my advice or not but I can assure you that you would accomplish far more by focusing on where there is common ground and abandoning the hoax scare tactics regarding the weather.
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#2910959 - 02/08/19 05:53 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: BillyOcean]
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Right, environmental regulations like the advent of the Clean Air Act had nothing to do with it Surfdog. foreheadslap

https://www.kcet.org/history-society/how-los-angeles-began-to-put-its-smoggy-days-behind
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#2910960 - 02/08/19 05:54 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Kento
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Look. You lefties can take my advice or not but I can assure you that you would accomplish far more by focusing on where there is common ground and abandoning the hoax scare tactics regarding the weather.


Stop using FAKE environmentalism as a shield. You don't give a fvck. It's part of your party's platform. Own it.
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#2910963 - 02/08/19 05:58 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


For example, but encouraging more coal and fossil fuel use, by loosening environmental regulations and rolling back gas mileage requirements!
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#2910965 - 02/08/19 06:00 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GromsDad]
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You lefties can take my advice or not

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#2910966 - 02/08/19 06:04 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: BillyOcean]
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I would say the Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll leans right, but in their 2019 topline summary they have this:

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#2910969 - 02/08/19 06:06 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: Kento
Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Originally Posted By: JEwing
I actually witnessed real man-made climate change when California required pollution control on all automobiles. Finally, I could see the side of the freeway while driving through Lawndale on the 405. (True story)


Pollution and climate change are two completely different things. Pollution is very real and something we can all reach common ground on for the common good. Climate change is a hoax/fraud political tool to try and manipulate people into accepting government controls over their lives and wealth transfers from the haves to the have nots via the UN in the name of an imaginary calamity.

If you really care about the environment you should abandon any talk of climate and put your focus on things like pollution where we can find common ground.


Did it ever occur to you that the contaminants responsible for pollution and those impacting climate are not mutually exclusive?


Look. You lefties can take my advice or not but I can assure you that you would accomplish far more by focusing on where there is common ground and abandoning the hoax scare tactics regarding the weather.

Holy shit, pure comedy roflmao roflmao roflmao
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#2910974 - 02/08/19 06:23 PM Re: How big of a problem is climate change and other enviro-religion panicky things to the average person? [Re: GDaddy]
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I would say the Harvard CAPS / Harris Poll leans right, but in their 2019 topline summary they have this:



Exactly

Its about as big of a concern to the average person as maybe their toast being a little too burnt in the morning

So totally go ahead a run on a platform of taking away cars and heat to combat that

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