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#2911299 - 02/09/19 06:18 PM Re: Abortion [Re: Duffy]
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: mundus
Who is going to pay for the unwanted children? We all know the loudest complainers about abortion don't want a dime of their tax dollars to help single moms or poor children.


There are more people waiting to adopt babies than there are abortions.
Source?

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#2911302 - 02/09/19 06:31 PM Re: Abortion [Re: everysurfr]
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lots of reasons why life is hard. But none of them would hold up against a person who is already born. We don't kill poor, diseased, downtrodden adults, so the same rule applies to the unborn.

Oh.. almost forgot about this one; After witnessing my nephew being born, growing up along my own son the same age, and at the age of two-after learning to walk, speak and act like any other toddler-being taken away all those things piece by pieces until being reduced into a paralyzed state, i disagree. The amount of nerve paints, spasms, etc. that boy had to go through makes ALS seems like a walk in the park. The argument clearly hold up in this case unless your sadist.

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#2911312 - 02/09/19 07:28 PM Re: Abortion [Re: Duffy]
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: mundus
Who is going to pay for the unwanted children? We all know the loudest complainers about abortion don't want a dime of their tax dollars to help single moms or poor children.


There are more people waiting to adopt babies than there are abortions.


What do you attribute all the foster children to?

Do the kunts just want puppies?
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#2911313 - 02/09/19 07:29 PM Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole]
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I see attribute substitutions everywhere I look.
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#2911331 - 02/09/19 09:17 PM Re: Abortion [Re: ovrevik]
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Originally Posted By: ovrevik


6 weeks= embryo
24 wees= fetus

smile


noted. thank you.
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#2911336 - 02/09/19 09:33 PM Re: Abortion [Re: afoaf]
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Originally Posted By: ovrevik


6 weeks= embryo
24 wees= fetus
Can't be sure = kid

smile



fxt
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#2911345 - 02/09/19 10:20 PM Re: Abortion [Re: everysurfr]
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: ovrevik
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
How about this.

Until you know the answer, the default is the kid is alive and human.

You demolish buildings until you KNOW there are no people alive inside.

You don't drive down the road until you KNOW there are no people standing in it.

You don't perform a D&C until you KNOW the kid isn't alive.

I don't want to hear about "it's the mother's body" because it isn't. It's the kids body getting killed.

No abortion unless the kid isn't viable, or the mother's life is in danger.

I've never heard a rational argument to disagree with this.

Engage me.


Rape
Underage pregnancies
Financial situation
Single parent situation
Education
Physically ill mother
Mentally ill mother
Hereditary diseases
Down syndrome
cerebral pareses
Crabs disease
Leukodystrophys
..etc..etc..etc..

lots of reasons why life is hard. But none of them would hold up against a person who is already born. We don't kill poor, diseased, downtrodden adults, so the same rule applies to the unborn.

Do you keep all your sperm in a freezer after you jerk off? They are living cells as well you know. Like a zygote or embryo, they can't survive outside your body.
Comparing an abortion, which is technically removing a bunch of cells that has no possibility for further growth outside the womb, to killing a child is not just crazy- It's extremely disrespectful to women all over the world who had to undergo abortion for various reasons.
These is getting closer to a rational reasons, but still doesn't hold up. There are many examples of people in reliance on others for survival. We don't allow them to be cut off.
A polio sufferer in an iron lung would not survive if the power was turned off.

Your next point comparing groups of cells being equal to an unborn baby. In every example, if left alone, those cells would never become a human. No matter what, sperm cells die off in about a week in your own body. A fertilized egg, once implanted in the mother, on the other hand, if left alone will become a baby.


I've NEVER heard a rational argument against abortion. But i don't buy into God, Allah or any of that crap either, and that's usually the reason behind all the anti abortion psychos.
God has nothing to do with this. I don't need God to tell me not to kick puppies either.

You haven't addressed my point. The one that nobody has ever answered for me. When is the exact moment that a fertilized egg becomes human? It is a grey transition.
At some point in the process, we all agree that to kill it is murder. But when is that moment? And if you are one second after that moment, you are a baby killer. And unless you know that answer, abortion is reckless.
actually, we don't all agree that to kill is murder. do you believe in capital punishment? (i do, btw) but if killing is absolutely wrong, than so is capital punishment. and if you're ok with capital punishment, than you're ok with taking a life under certain circumstances. after that, the ethics just become situational.

and btw, i am reasonably certain that if men could get pregnant, we/society would not be having this discussion.
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#2911348 - 02/09/19 10:36 PM Re: Abortion [Re: mundus]
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Originally Posted By: mundus
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: mundus
Who is going to pay for the unwanted children? We all know the loudest complainers about abortion don't want a dime of their tax dollars to help single moms or poor children.


There are more people waiting to adopt babies than there are abortions.
Source?


Im not in favor of making abortion illegal BTW, but here you go...

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There are no national statistics on how many people are waiting to adopt, but experts estimate it is somewhere between one and two million couples. Every year there are about 1.3 million abortions. Only 4% of women with unwanted pregnancies place their children through adoption.


https://adoptionnetwork.com/adoption-statistics

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In 2015, 638,169 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas.


https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm


Edited by Duffy (02/09/19 10:38 PM)
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#2911349 - 02/09/19 10:39 PM Re: Abortion [Re: sussle]
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i am reasonably certain that if men could get pregnant, we/society would not be having this discussion.


If men could get pregnant theyd be women.
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#2911350 - 02/09/19 10:42 PM Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole]
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actually, we don't all agree that to kill is murder. do you believe in capital punishment? (i do, btw) but if killing is absolutely wrong, than so is capital punishment. and if you're ok with capital punishment, than you're ok with taking a life under certain circumstances. after that, the ethics just become situational.


I've posted here before. I believe that for capital crimes, the criminal gets a solitary cell, and three meals a day. The criminal will never leave that cell. The prisoner is given any religious text they request, in order for them to make their peace with their God. They are also given a noose hanging from the ceiling. At their choice, and at their timing, they may leave the living. Or they may stay in quiet reflection until the end of their days.

It is nobody else's choice to decide when an other is to die.
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#2911353 - 02/09/19 10:51 PM Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole]
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The noose is a nice touch.
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#2911355 - 02/09/19 11:03 PM Re: Abortion [Re: everysurfr]
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr

~snip~
God has nothing to do with this. I don't need God to tell me not to kick puppies either.
~snip~

Ol' George,
yakin' about our invisible God:

Believe what ya want bro, ok?
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Any of ya watch that vid I shared above?
I, like ol' George done did, well I wanna live, I wanna live for The Sun, o~ya!

Go surf! And if so inclined, go pray to your God,
just don't f**k any p*ssy with~out a condom on unless ya wanna be Daddy, ok?
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#2911357 - 02/09/19 11:26 PM Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole]
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One problem with hot-button issues like abortion is that both sides will not budge an inch, will never ever admit that the other side has even the tiniest bit of a valid argument, and will under no circumstances compromise.

I would propose a ban on abortion after 18 weeks, with an exception for if the mother's life is in danger if she carries to term (this is quite uncommon). Rape and incest victims can get their abortions before 18 weeks.

In return, I would have free contraception without a doctor's prescription or parent permission for everybody 16 and up. Just go into your local CVS or RiteAid and talk to the pharmacist. Free rubbers too, for those who choose not to use contraception.

Such a compromise will of course never, ever happen in either 'Murica or Amerika.
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#2911375 - 02/10/19 01:01 AM Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole]
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I think the same people who like to assign human traits to animals, call embryo "kid".



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#2911394 - 02/10/19 07:29 AM Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole]
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I think it's weird when people baby talk to dogs.

The worst thing you can do to a dog is infantilize it.

I see so many dysfunction master/dog relationships.

--Rescue dog mom out!
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