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Re: Abortion [Re: ovrevik] #2911224
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Originally Posted By: ovrevik
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: ovrevik
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
How about this.

Until you know the answer, the default is the kid is alive and human.

You demolish buildings until you KNOW there are no people alive inside.

You don't drive down the road until you KNOW there are no people standing in it.

You don't perform a D&C until you KNOW the kid isn't alive.

I don't want to hear about "it's the mother's body" because it isn't. It's the kids body getting killed.

No abortion unless the kid isn't viable, or the mother's life is in danger.

I've never heard a rational argument to disagree with this.

Engage me.


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Underage pregnancies
Financial situation
Single parent situation
Education
Physically ill mother
Mentally ill mother
Hereditary diseases
Down syndrome
cerebral pareses
Crabs disease
Leukodystrophys
..etc..etc..etc..

lots of reasons why life is hard. But none of them would hold up against a person who is already born. We don't kill poor, diseased, downtrodden adults, so the same rule applies to the unborn.

Do you keep all your sperm in a freezer after you jerk off? They are living cells as well you know. Like a zygote or embryo, they can't survive outside your body.
Comparing an abortion, which is technically removing a bunch of cells that has no possibility for further growth outside the womb, to killing a child is not just crazy- It's extremely disrespectful to women all over the world who had to undergo abortion for various reasons.
These is getting closer to a rational reasons, but still doesn't hold up. There are many examples of people in reliance on others for survival. We don't allow them to be cut off.
A polio sufferer in an iron lung would not survive if the power was turned off.

Your next point comparing groups of cells being equal to an unborn baby. In every example, if left alone, those cells would never become a human. No matter what, sperm cells die off in about a week in your own body. A fertilized egg, once implanted in the mother, on the other hand, if left alone will become a baby.


I've NEVER heard a rational argument against abortion. But i don't buy into God, Allah or any of that crap either, and that's usually the reason behind all the anti abortion psychos.
God has nothing to do with this. I don't need God to tell me not to kick puppies either.

You haven't addressed my point. The one that nobody has ever answered for me. When is the exact moment that a fertilized egg becomes human? It is a grey transition.
At some point in the process, we all agree that to kill it is murder. But when is that moment? And if you are one second after that moment, you are a baby killer. And unless you know that answer, abortion is reckless.


That answer is not difficult-
First trimester- The nervous system isn't developed. This is a really safe place to draw a line. Free abortion in this period should be granted without any specific cause.

Second trimester- After week 22 it's possible to save premature babies (but ethically dilemma occurs here because of high premature birth defects). Abortion because of medical reasons should be granted in this period.

Third trimester- unless there's some serious underlying medical cause abortion should not be granted.

Calling women child murderers because of abortion shows you have no idea what you are're talking about.
It's not only vicious, but it's a dangerous attitude to have.
About 30 000 women dies every year because they don't have access to legal abortion clinics.



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Re: Abortion [Re: mundus] #2911225
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Who is going to pay for the unwanted children? We all know the loudest complainers about abortion don't want a dime of their tax dollars to help single moms or poor children.
How about this. Let's make it affordable for poor single moms by legalizing a womans right to perform her own abortion up until age 18. Obviously some rules will have to made regarding the disposition of the corpse but that's just a technical exercise.

This would let the woman decide- maybe she started out wanting the kid but wasn't really cool with the cost and by age 5 decided to abort/euthanize. She'd save tons of money doing it herself.
What better way to help poor women?
Besides the obvious safety concerns of do it yourself abortions, I like it.
Wait till the fetus born- mid wive's are a-plenty and cheaper than hospitals. Shoot the baby just after birth or maybe try it on for awhile and see if you like it. If you don't? Terminate and dispose of properly.


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Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole] #2911226
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Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole] #2911230
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What a sad start to a Saturday, 2019.
A buncha dudes here on thee erBB arguing about what happens inside a womans body.

Wear a condom,
or do not f**k that vagina if you do not want a woman to get pregnant + then have to watch her
decide if she will keep it. She has a few other ways of pleasin' you, a man, ya dig? wink

fish
Check this out, I read of it a looong time ago:
Condoms were bein' used waaay back before Jesus was around,
but I betcha that you knew of this already, right?

Quote:
First traces of condoms were found around 1350 BC in Egypt. Condom was composed of coloured linen soaked in olive oil.


Link: The contraceptive methods in ancient Egypt

So do you boyz who beee~itch about abortion ALWAYS wear 1?
Why are you bros gettin' chicks pregnant who might not wanna be a Mommy, chicks who do not want your baby + so they now have to face a tough decision? What thee f**k is wrong with you dudes???
Wear a condom. And get it snipped too. Cool?
cool

PS ~ This post is not addressed to StuAzole,
it's just what came up when I started to write it, ok?
Have your~self a great Saturday, you~all!
Latez, RW

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Re: Abortion [Re: FecalFace] #2911233
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Originally Posted By: FecalFace
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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
How about this.

Until you know the answer, the default is the kid is alive and human.

You demolish buildings until you KNOW there are no people alive inside.

You don't drive down the road until you KNOW there are no people standing in it.

You don't perform a D&C until you KNOW the kid isn't alive.

I don't want to hear about "it's the mother's body" because it isn't. It's the kids body getting killed.

No abortion unless the kid isn't viable, or the mother's life is in danger.

I've never heard a rational argument to disagree with this.

Engage me.

No one is arguing with you because they can't deny what you're saying

I thought you hated false analogies?

You and all your buddies only cry false analogy when you don't like the outcome of the analogy. I probably do it too. Nothing Is truly analogous if you add enough NUANCE!


Analogies don't have outcomes dumbass.

They're either false or they're not.

And fetus is not a "kid".

Whatever word games help you sleep at night....


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Re: Abortion [Re: everysurfr] #2911250
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
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That answer is not difficult-
First trimester- The nervous system isn't developed. This is a really safe place to draw a line. Free abortion in this period should be granted without any specific cause.

Second trimester- After week 22 it's possible to save premature babies (but ethically dilemma occurs here because of high premature birth defects). Abortion because of medical reasons should be granted in this period.

Third trimester- unless there's some serious underlying medical cause abortion should not be granted.

Calling women child murderers because of abortion shows you have no idea what you are're talking about.
It's not only vicious, but it's a dangerous attitude to have.
About 30 000 women dies every year because they don't have access to legal abortion clinics.



The development of a nervous system in interesting as a benchmark. But it still comes back to how many cells does it take for it take to become a nervous system. At just a few days, nervous system cells begin forming what will become the brain. That's just a few days. So do you know how many brain cells are needed before it is human? I don't. So I'm back at, if you don't know if it is human life, you don't gamble.

Your second point is a numbers game. You will loose that one. For every mother who dies, there are 1000's of unborn babies who died.

If you want to save both lives, destigmatize giving a baby up for adoption. Give support to pregnant mothers.

I'll take baby steps. I can't save the world's problems. I can't save 30,000 pregnant mothers. (On the side, I wonder what makes up that number. How would safe abortion change that number.)

Let's just stay within our own borders. It's not our place to rule the world.

And using language like calling me vicious for questioning when life begins says a lot about your dogma. Question everything, always.



We know ALLOT about the central nervous system through the different trimesters.. There is no "mind", no self consciousness, no feelings no nothing at this point. It's no different than removing a brain tumor, wart or any other kind of human tissue. Ask somebody who knows biology.

-"Your second point is a numbers game. You will loose that one. For every mother who dies, there are 1000's of unborn babies who died"- Not sure what you're talking about here? Embryos being aborted each day? Numbers of sperm and eggs going down the drain each day? Your definition of a "babies" is obscene.. My wife has a spiral inserted into her vag. There's some crazy religious groups here that defines that as abortion and condemns it because technically sperm and egg meets before being ejected. It's kinda hard to argue anything rationally among these kind of people.

-"And using language like calling me vicious for questioning when life begins says a lot about your dogma. Question everything, always"-
I'm calling you vicious. It's a very mild response for an adult man who calls out young girls for being child murders choosing abortion after being raped by their fathers, brothers, cousins or what not. Or that dirt poor teenage girl who choose to cancel her pregnancy knowing that the child would grow up without any basic resources, and in poverty.

Re: Abortion [Re: StuAzole] #2911251
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How do you guys feel about autophagy?


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


Re: Abortion [Re: ovrevik] #2911255
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I feel like everysurfr's post requires some more specifics...

to ovrevik's point...an embryo at 6 week is not the same as an embryo
at 24 weeks.

also, and possibly more importantly, if you post LOOSE instead of LOSE
one more time I am going to go abort so many fkn babies.

FFS man...


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Re: Abortion [Re: afoaf] #2911257
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Originally Posted By: afoaf
I feel like everysurfr's post requires some more specifics...

to ovrevik's point...an embryo at 6 week is not the same as an embryo
at 24 weeks.

also, and possibly more importantly, if you post LOOSE instead of LOSE
one more time I am going to go abort so many fkn babies.

FFS man...
roflmao


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Re: Abortion [Re: afoaf] #2911261
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Originally Posted By: afoaf
I feel like everysurfr's post requires some more specifics...

to ovrevik's point...an embryo at 6 week is not the same as an embryo
at 24 weeks.

also, and possibly more importantly, if you post LOOSE instead of LOSE
one more time I am going to go abort so many fkn babies.

FFS man...


He doesn't know when cells become a kid; therefor there should be no abortion.

He's yet to hear a logical challenge against this line of reasoning. monkey


We all know what we hate.

We just don't know what we want.


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Originally Posted By: afoaf
I feel like everysurfr's post requires some more specifics...

to ovrevik's point...an embryo at 6 week is not the same as an embryo
at 24 weeks.

also, and possibly more importantly, if you post LOOSE instead of LOSE
one more time I am going to go abort so many fkn babies.

FFS man...


6 weeks= embryo
24 wees= fetus

smile

Re: Abortion [Re: mundus] #2911294
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Who is going to pay for the unwanted children? We all know the loudest complainers about abortion don't want a dime of their tax dollars to help single moms or poor children.


There are more people waiting to adopt babies than there are abortions.


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How do you guys feel about autophagy?



Ive heard it has some real health benefits.


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has anyone here had an abortion?


Every time I jerk off its half an abortion.


Isn't a period the other have of the abortion?


So I ate half an abortion?

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Originally Posted By: ovrevik
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: ovrevik
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
How about this.

Until you know the answer, the default is the kid is alive and human.

You demolish buildings until you KNOW there are no people alive inside.

You don't drive down the road until you KNOW there are no people standing in it.

You don't perform a D&C until you KNOW the kid isn't alive.

I don't want to hear about "it's the mother's body" because it isn't. It's the kids body getting killed.

No abortion unless the kid isn't viable, or the mother's life is in danger.

I've never heard a rational argument to disagree with this.

Engage me.


Rape
Underage pregnancies
Financial situation
Single parent situation
Education
Physically ill mother
Mentally ill mother
Hereditary diseases
Down syndrome
cerebral pareses
Crabs disease
Leukodystrophys
..etc..etc..etc..

lots of reasons why life is hard. But none of them would hold up against a person who is already born. We don't kill poor, diseased, downtrodden adults, so the same rule applies to the unborn.

Do you keep all your sperm in a freezer after you jerk off? They are living cells as well you know. Like a zygote or embryo, they can't survive outside your body.
Comparing an abortion, which is technically removing a bunch of cells that has no possibility for further growth outside the womb, to killing a child is not just crazy- It's extremely disrespectful to women all over the world who had to undergo abortion for various reasons.
These is getting closer to a rational reasons, but still doesn't hold up. There are many examples of people in reliance on others for survival. We don't allow them to be cut off.
A polio sufferer in an iron lung would not survive if the power was turned off.

Your next point comparing groups of cells being equal to an unborn baby. In every example, if left alone, those cells would never become a human. No matter what, sperm cells die off in about a week in your own body. A fertilized egg, once implanted in the mother, on the other hand, if left alone will become a baby.


I've NEVER heard a rational argument against abortion. But i don't buy into God, Allah or any of that crap either, and that's usually the reason behind all the anti abortion psychos.
God has nothing to do with this. I don't need God to tell me not to kick puppies either.

You haven't addressed my point. The one that nobody has ever answered for me. When is the exact moment that a fertilized egg becomes human? It is a grey transition.
At some point in the process, we all agree that to kill it is murder. But when is that moment? And if you are one second after that moment, you are a baby killer. And unless you know that answer, abortion is reckless.


That answer is not difficult-
First trimester- The nervous system isn't developed. This is a really safe place to draw a line. Free abortion in this period should be granted without any specific cause.

Second trimester- After week 22 it's possible to save premature babies (but ethically dilemma occurs here because of high premature birth defects). Abortion because of medical reasons should be granted in this period.

Third trimester- unless there's some serious underlying medical cause abortion should not be granted.

Calling women child murderers because of abortion shows you have no idea what you are're talking about.
It's not only vicious, but it's a dangerous attitude to have.
About 30 000 women dies every year because they don't have access to legal abortion clinics.



30,000 women world wide.

30k-50k die from rabies.

30k a year just in the US from prostate cancer.


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