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#2910118 - 02/07/19 01:37 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Also nowhere does it say that it would replace air travel.


You can't read.


it literally does not say it will replace it

it says it won't be necessary

you can kennit the difference, right?
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#2910134 - 02/07/19 01:48 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: afoaf]
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Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: manbearpig


Also nowhere does it say that it would replace air travel.


You can't read.


it literally does not say it will replace it

it says it won't be necessary


GOOD POINT.

I mean, lots of people are still moving west by wagon train.

Rail and air travel never replaced anything I guess! Just made it so it's "not necessary."




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#2910138 - 02/07/19 01:53 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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it is not necessary for me to drive to the store

I can ride my bike

I can walk

however, walking and riding my bike have not replaced driving

do you really think wagon train is a comparable analogy to high speed rail?

if you want to keep it contemporary, you could acknowledge that people
still drive vehicles cross country.

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#2910140 - 02/07/19 01:56 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Air and Bus routes are scalable and flexible. Rail isn't.
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#2910147 - 02/07/19 02:01 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: ifallalot]
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I would love it if mass transit was consistent, fast, and reliable. I'd use it all the time.

I remember watching that one Anthony Bourdain show where he was in Myanmar (?) with the ultra-slow, bouncy, rickety train. I thought, "Aha! That's where San Diego bought the Coaster trains from!"

For trains in urban environments, you need multiple stops, they need to be consistent (i.e. every 10 minutes from 5:30 AM to 3:30 AM, especially in areas where nightlife exists), and it has to go fast, much faster than what you would be driving on the freeway. The only way it will work is if it cheaper than gas and faster than driving.

LA to SF in 2 hours? That would work. But you can't stop in every pissant burg (i.e. Merced, Pixley, etc) on the way through the central valley. Besides, how many people would be going from Lost Hills to SF? Three?

LA to Vegas makes a hell of a lot more sense although never happen because the Indian Casino lobby (aka mafia) would kneecap the hell out of people for even suggesting that train. Pala, Rincon, those casinos make Circus Circus in Vegas look like Monte Carlo and their buffets make Arby's look awesome by comparison. No one would go to them, not if Vegas was an hour and a half away by train with booze on board.
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#2910153 - 02/07/19 02:10 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: manbearpig


Also nowhere does it say that it would replace air travel.


You can't read.


it literally does not say it will replace it

it says it won't be necessary


GOOD POINT.

I mean, lots of people are still moving west by wagon train.

Rail and air travel never replaced anything I guess! Just made it so it's "not necessary."





You cant do reading comprehension.
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#2910157 - 02/07/19 02:14 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: manbearpig]
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arguing against the person, not the point.

the pattern repeats.

it's strange.
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#2910164 - 02/07/19 02:20 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Just a small part of the Green New Deal. roflmao

Discuss.


We start as soon as the high speed rail in California is finished.

Cant wait to take a train to Hawaii.

Also in the plan to upgrade ALL buildings in the country to be energy efficient. Do they have any idea how much energy it will take to do that (and build a rail system to replace air travel)?
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#2910168 - 02/07/19 02:21 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: afoaf]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
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Also nowhere does it say that it would replace air travel.


You can't read.


it literally does not say it will replace it

it says it won't be necessary

you can kennit the difference, right?


Replace, make unnecessary...

Either way, absurd.
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#2910172 - 02/07/19 02:24 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: Kento]
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The only way it will work is if it cheaper than gas and faster than driving.


Make gas $10/gallon. smile2

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#2910174 - 02/07/19 02:27 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: Duffy]
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China is investing pretty heavily in this

other developed (albeit geographically smaller) nations have it

nowhere does she say that rail will supplant air

claiming so is..absurd.
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#2910185 - 02/07/19 02:40 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Looks like Doc Thompson really hated the idea of trains - so much so he tried to tackle one:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/co...by-amtrak-train
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#2910195 - 02/07/19 02:47 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: rice]
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The only way it will work is if it cheaper than gas and faster than driving.


Make gas $10/gallon. smile2


That's one way to do it.

Better yet, a large percentage of non-customer service jobs (fast-food workers, bellhops, etc.) could easily be done by telecommuting. Why more companies don't encourage this is beyond me. Increased productivity (by a LONG shot), less distractions, less overhead (no need to lease office space), less pollution, etc. etc. Plus, for those with kids in school, after-school programs, sports, etc., it makes it so much easier so you don't have to drive back and forth to pick them up from one place, drop them off somewhere else, while trying to race to and from work.

Now all that unused office space? Sounds like an opportunity to ease the housing crisis.
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#2910198 - 02/07/19 02:49 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: Kento]
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The only way it will work is if it cheaper than gas and faster than driving.


Make gas $10/gallon. smile2


That's one way to do it.

Better yet, a large percentage of non-customer service jobs (fast-food workers, bellhops, etc.) could easily be done by telecommuting. Why more companies don't encourage this is beyond me. Increased productivity (by a LONG shot), less distractions, less overhead (no need to lease office space), less pollution, etc. etc. Plus, for those with kids in school, after-school programs, sports, etc., it makes it so much easier so you don't have to drive back and forth to pick them up from one place, drop them off somewhere else, while trying to race to and from work.

Now all that unused office space? Sounds like an opportunity to ease the housing crisis.


Which brings us back to the "just work closer to home" argument everyone thinks is so impossible. If you don't want to commute, work where you live, or go live where you work. Easy.
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#2910199 - 02/07/19 02:50 PM Re: AOC: Building high speed rail so that air travel is no longer necessary in the next 10 years [Re: Duffy]
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: manbearpig


Also nowhere does it say that it would replace air travel.


You can't read.


it literally does not say it will replace it

it says it won't be necessary

you can kennit the difference, right?


Replace, make unnecessary...

Either way, absurd.

How is an additional way to travel absurd? Both air and train have their issues, everyone knows that.

Think about the process it takes to just get to the plane vs just getting to the train, price difference and frequency; train wins all of those. NO ONE is saying to replace, its simply another option.
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