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Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: sh3] #2911189
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Originally Posted By: sh3
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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
In 2 hours , how much is spent having Fun ?

Surfing vs. Mountain biking


Mountain bike: I ride up hill for 1:45, suffering the whole way, and get to the bottom in :15.

Surfing: love every second of it. Paddling out, getting worked, riding waves...



HAHAHAHA!!! Welcome to Romero Canyon.


Yup. Havent been up there since the mudslides though.


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Originally Posted By: sh3
FYI:

Joe's website has a used board marketplace. There's a 14' ST Commander in there...

https://www.joebark.com/used-board-marketplace/

It's AST, meaning it's the "more durable" (read: heavier) construction. Great for touring if you're not a racer. If you are a new racer, a perfect board too. [experienced racers will want a lighter board for the bump]


Yeah, I contacted that guy and he said he had a couple buyers already lined up. Maybe they fell through. Im currently trying to get together with 20w50 to buy his.


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Originally Posted By: sh3
FYI:

Joe's website has a used board marketplace. There's a 14' ST Commander in there...

https://www.joebark.com/used-board-marketplace/

It's AST, meaning it's the "more durable" (read: heavier) construction. Great for touring if you're not a racer. If you are a new racer, a perfect board too. [experienced racers will want a lighter board for the bump]


How much heavier?


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Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: Duffy] #2911247
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: sh3
FYI:

Joe's website has a used board marketplace. There's a 14' ST Commander in there...

https://www.joebark.com/used-board-marketplace/

It's AST, meaning it's the "more durable" (read: heavier) construction. Great for touring if you're not a racer. If you are a new racer, a perfect board too. [experienced racers will want a lighter board for the bump]


How much heavier?


I have this board currently & its a shade under 30lbs. Im working on replacing it b/c, like 3sh said, Im more of a racer & want a lighter board.

Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: njsurfer42] #2911289
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Originally Posted By: njsurfer42
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: sh3
FYI:

Joe's website has a used board marketplace. There's a 14' ST Commander in there...

https://www.joebark.com/used-board-marketplace/

It's AST, meaning it's the "more durable" (read: heavier) construction. Great for touring if you're not a racer. If you are a new racer, a perfect board too. [experienced racers will want a lighter board for the bump]


How much heavier?


I have this board currently & its a shade under 30lbs. Im working on replacing it b/c, like 3sh said, Im more of a racer & want a lighter board.


How much does the Pro Elite 14 weigh?


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Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: Duffy] #2911532
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Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: njsurfer42
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: sh3
FYI:

Joe's website has a used board marketplace. There's a 14' ST Commander in there...

https://www.joebark.com/used-board-marketplace/

It's AST, meaning it's the "more durable" (read: heavier) construction. Great for touring if you're not a racer. If you are a new racer, a perfect board too. [experienced racers will want a lighter board for the bump]


How much heavier?


I have this board currently & its a shade under 30lbs. Im working on replacing it b/c, like 3sh said, Im more of a racer & want a lighter board.


How much does the Pro Elite 14 weigh?


Im not sure; maybe someone can chime in w/ it. The original 12 Commander was right around 20-21lbs.
That said, Ive done more than a few races on my AST 14 & its done ok. The additional weight does seem to help it maintain forward momentum, especially in cross chop. It handles tight spaces poorly, though. Ive paddled 18 ULs that handled turns better.

Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: njsurfer42] #2911671
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Originally Posted By: njsurfer42
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: njsurfer42
Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: sh3
FYI:

Joe's website has a used board marketplace. There's a 14' ST Commander in there...

https://www.joebark.com/used-board-marketplace/

It's AST, meaning it's the "more durable" (read: heavier) construction. Great for touring if you're not a racer. If you are a new racer, a perfect board too. [experienced racers will want a lighter board for the bump]


How much heavier?


I have this board currently & its a shade under 30lbs. Im working on replacing it b/c, like 3sh said, Im more of a racer & want a lighter board.


How much does the Pro Elite 14 weigh?


Im not sure; maybe someone can chime in w/ it. The original 12 Commander was right around 20-21lbs.
That said, Ive done more than a few races on my AST 14 & its done ok. The additional weight does seem to help it maintain forward momentum, especially in cross chop. It handles tight spaces poorly, though. Ive paddled 18 ULs that handled turns better.


Pro Elite 14 will weight about 4-5 pounds lighter, so around 23-24 pounds. For reference, the Pro Elite 12 Commander (not the ghost carbon) weighs 21.5 pounds.

As for Romero, since these rains it's been a nightmare of cobblestones. It's just not fun after a rain washes away all the dirt/sand. As for the slides, those made the whole bottom 25% completely different and the bridge was washed away and destroyed. There's a new river crossing now that you have to negotiate right at the intro to the fire road. By the 4 mile mark near the single track trail head, it's also a significant water crossing that's pretty tough to negotiate.

When the water isn't as brown, it shall be time to paddle and surf (not in that order).

Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: sh3] #2911718
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Steve, is there a ghost carbon 14 in the works? Thatd be pretty awesome...

Re: Prone Paddleboard Question [Re: njsurfer42] #2914606
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Not that I've been advised of. Not that I'm the be-all-end-all, but I think I'd know if it was coming. I'm usually told about these things.

Then again, I'm not tight with the new ST execs.

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Bought 20w50s board the other day and today I paddled it to the Chris Brown memorial.

I actually like the way the the heavier AST construction paddles better than the lighter one I borrowed a couple weeks ago.


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What is AST construction?

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Originally Posted By: retodd
What is AST construction?


https://www.surftech.com/prone/bark-commander-ast-140


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Thats the construction I have. I paddle in chop quite often and found it holds its glide really well.

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Just think of ST as having two main paddleboard constructions.

AST is the first. It's billed as being "more durable," which means it IS more durable but also heavier.

Pro-Elite is the second. It's the "pro" way to go, so it's lighter and less durable. It's still durable, frankly. It's ST, after all. [TufLite is the new ghost carbon. It's basically just a sanded down Pro-Elite, so lighter still with the carbon slightly showing through.]

Here's a link to the original introduction film, which is also on ST's website (I laughed watching this little trip down memory lane, which starts with JP and I paddling in Florida): https://vimeo.com/69664389


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