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#2903545 - 01/24/19 10:51 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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#2903547 - 01/24/19 10:51 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: grapedrink]
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Originally Posted By: grapedrink
Trump has made the wall an ultimatum. How is he not at least equally to blame confused2


Not just that but he's the dumbass who MADE THE DUMBASS DEMAND, nobody else.

This is Trump's failed attempt at blackmail.



BTW, U.S. tax payer =\= Mexico

I suspect only Kento will get the GIF reference. roflmao
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#2903549 - 01/24/19 10:55 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta


Nice attempt at spIn


roflmao

The entire premise of your stupid thread is spin.

If you hold a gun to a hostage head and ask me for million dollars or you pull the trigger, am I going to be the murderer if the hostage dies?
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#2903551 - 01/24/19 10:56 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Edited by sizzld1 (01/24/19 10:57 PM)
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#2903552 - 01/24/19 10:58 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: sizzld1]
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Love that film.
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#2903554 - 01/24/19 11:08 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: sizzld1]
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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta

Right now they're not serious about compromising. They want to keep the staring contest going as long as possible for political points. RESIST.


They have compromised and upped their offer for border security measures that actually work. Trump rejected it. How has he compromised? What makes you think he is willing to compromise, given that he has made ZERO effort to do so throughout his entire presidency?


A serious offer would include a wall in areas deemed necessary by CBP in addition to what's currently offered.


I have yet to see credible proof that leadership in the CBP thinks more walls are the most effective means of increasing border security. In fact, almost no one in a place of power in border areas seems to think it is a good idea.


Now see, as someone who has been following this, I know you know that's false. shameonyou shameonyou shameonyou

Because I know you know about Brandon Judd, who represents the CBP union.

According to Judd, the Border Patrol Council conducted a voluntary survey last year of agents in Tucson, Arizona, and Laredo, Texas, and found that nearly 90 percent of them agreed that a wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border. Nearly 700 agents responded to the survey. Customs and Border Protection figures for 2017, the latest available, show there were more than 5,350 border patrol agents in Tucson and Laredo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...m=.77933bfe6211


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For example, every single congress person from a district along the southern border is against the idea of funding the wall.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-bord...nding-2019-1-8/


This is supposed to prove something? They're Democrats in districts with majority Mexican roots. The only Republican, Will Hurd, got lucky. He's playing it safe.
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#2903556 - 01/24/19 11:15 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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wall system in strategic locations


...like we have today and like what every rational person here has agreed makes good sense.
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#2903560 - 01/24/19 11:44 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: grapedrink
Trump has made the wall an ultimatum. How is he not at least equally to blame confused2


Oh, he is.

He absolutely is.

But I think he's willing to compromise when the Democrats are serious about compromising.

Right now they're not serious about compromising. They want to keep the staring contest going as long as possible for political points. RESIST.


Funny how you left Trump out of the thread title, even though you agree he shares at least half the blame. But whatevs.

Either way I wouldnt call WALL OR SHUTDOWN to be a position willing to compromise. Trump is the equivalent of a toddler in line at the grocery store screaming for his Mom to buy him ice cream/candy/oreos and refusing to stop crying until he gets it. Blaming the Democrats is like blaming the Mom for not giving in because you are tired listening to the kid screaming.

Except Trump is an adult (physically at least) who also happens to be the POTUS so its even more pathetic and with far greater implications. It also sets the precedent that its acceptable for the POTUS to shut down the government when he doesnt get his way foreheadslap
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#2903562 - 01/24/19 11:45 PM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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My favorite part of these exchanges is when someone changes his mind when someone else makes a valid point.

Wait . . . .
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#2903605 - 01/25/19 06:58 AM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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All the democrats care about is power. They don't care about national security and they sure as hell don't care about the people affected by the shutdown. They are nothing but pawns to the democrats.
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#2903609 - 01/25/19 07:09 AM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Is that unofficial survey supposed to prove something Casa? Id love to see the questions asked because the description you posted seems to indicate they were asked generally if walls work in strategic locations. Theres no debate about that. We already have 600 miles of them on the Southern border. Funny though, I came across this article a minute ago, it doesnt seem to support your claims. The anecdotes from the lawmen are interesting, but the statistics reveal Trumps lies about this supposed emergency at the border.

Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Dont Want Trumps Wall

Despite Trumps attempt to paint the Texas-Mexico border as a war zone, border counties are safer than the presidents own backyard. And local lawmen dont believe a wall will do any good.

https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-border-sheriffs-there-is-no-crisis-and-we-dont-want-trumps-wall


Edited by sizzld1 (01/25/19 07:10 AM)
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#2903613 - 01/25/19 07:41 AM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Are you mental? Trump said this was HIS shutdown and that he wasnt going to blame the democrats.
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#2903615 - 01/25/19 08:22 AM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: grapedrink]
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Originally Posted By: grapedrink
Originally Posted By: casa_mugrienta
Originally Posted By: grapedrink
Trump has made the wall an ultimatum. How is he not at least equally to blame confused2


Oh, he is.

He absolutely is.

But I think he's willing to compromise when the Democrats are serious about compromising.

Right now they're not serious about compromising. They want to keep the staring contest going as long as possible for political points. RESIST.


Funny how you left Trump out of the thread title, even though you agree he shares at least half the blame. But whatevs.

Either way I wouldnt call WALL OR SHUTDOWN to be a position willing to compromise. Trump is the equivalent of a toddler in line at the grocery store screaming for his Mom to buy him ice cream/candy/oreos and refusing to stop crying until he gets it. Blaming the Democrats is like blaming the Mom for not giving in because you are tired listening to the kid screaming.

Except Trump is an adult (physically at least) who also happens to be the POTUS so its even more pathetic and with far greater implications. It also sets the precedent that its acceptable for the POTUS to shut down the government when he doesnt get his way foreheadslap


The title of the thread was how Democrats could end the shutdown and get people their paychecks back, and why they won't do that.

It's a response to the bogus claims that the Democrats aren't enjoying the shutdown staring contest. Both sides know there a significant 2020 implications for whoever comes out a winner.

The CBP union apparently supports Trump's wall plan.

Therefore, a compromise would include, in some manner, a wall.

Both sides will have to yield some to what the other wants.
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#2903616 - 01/25/19 08:26 AM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: sizzld1]
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Originally Posted By: sizzld1
Is that unofficial survey supposed to prove something Casa? Id love to see the questions asked because the description you posted seems to indicate they were asked generally if walls work in strategic locations. Theres no debate about that. We already have 600 miles of them on the Southern border. Funny though, I came across this article a minute ago, it doesnt seem to support your claims. The anecdotes from the lawmen are interesting, but the statistics reveal Trumps lies about this supposed emergency at the border.

Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Dont Want Trumps Wall

Despite Trumps attempt to paint the Texas-Mexico border as a war zone, border counties are safer than the presidents own backyard. And local lawmen dont believe a wall will do any good.

https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-border-sheriffs-there-is-no-crisis-and-we-dont-want-trumps-wall


The sherriff does not do the job of CBP.

They are not patrolling the border and dragging tires behind their trucks.

I want to know what CBP officers want.
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#2903618 - 01/25/19 08:42 AM Re: Why won't the Democrats end the shutdown? Don't they care about people not getting paid? [Re: casa_mugrienta]
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Its also worth noting that in many places Sheriffs are in essence a political position and are even elected officials in some places.
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