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Re: In Praise of MLK [Re: GDaddy] #2901973
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I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


People commonly pull it off within the family or clan unit. It just doesn't scale well as you lose control of the accountability. It's like a marriage - way easier with 2 people than with 4.


Good point

What about with modern surveillance though?

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I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


Who wants communism? foreheadslap


MLK did

But I give him the benefit of the doubt as the issue wasnt totally settled during his time

People quoting him today should realize this


who wants communism today?
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


People commonly pull it off within the family or clan unit. It just doesn't scale well as you lose control of the accountability. It's like a marriage - way easier with 2 people than with 4.


you obviously have never had 5 wonderful wives bawling



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Re: In Praise of MLK [Re: heelnipstr] #2901979
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Originally Posted By: heelnipstr
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I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


People commonly pull it off within the family or clan unit. It just doesn't scale well as you lose control of the accountability. It's like a marriage - way easier with 2 people than with 4.


you obviously have never had 5 wonderful wives bawling



Had a conversation with an Arab Sheik once. Hilarious guy. One thing that stuck out was his comment on multiple wives. Told me it sounds like a dream come true and it does have its positives but if you buy one of them a Mercedes, you better buy ALL of them a Mercedes. Otherwise you never hear the end of it and your life has now become hell.


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Originally Posted By: Kento
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
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I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


People commonly pull it off within the family or clan unit. It just doesn't scale well as you lose control of the accountability. It's like a marriage - way easier with 2 people than with 4.


you obviously have never had 5 wonderful wives bawling



Had a conversation with an Arab Sheik once. Hilarious guy. One thing that stuck out was his comment on multiple wives. Told me it sounds like a dream come true and it does have its positives but if you buy one of them a Mercedes, you better buy ALL of them a Mercedes. Otherwise you never hear the end of it and your life has now become hell.


It still sounds like a dream come true when I imagine being able to buy them all Mercedae.

Milking livestock and shoveling shit with five wives and a dozen period-sync'd ginger daughters 16 hours per day, not so much.

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Originally Posted By: heelnipstr
Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


People commonly pull it off within the family or clan unit. It just doesn't scale well as you lose control of the accountability. It's like a marriage - way easier with 2 people than with 4.


you obviously have never had 5 wonderful wives bawling



Had a conversation with an Arab Sheik once. Hilarious guy. One thing that stuck out was his comment on multiple wives. Told me it sounds like a dream come true and it does have its positives but if you buy one of them a Mercedes, you better buy ALL of them a Mercedes. Otherwise you never hear the end of it and your life has now become hell.


It still sounds like a dream come true when I imagine being able to buy them all Mercedae.

Milking livestock and shoveling shit with five wives and a dozen period-sync'd ginger daughters 16 hours per day, not so much.


It's bad enough to have one wife complain about stuff. Can you imagine several, especially if they go class-action on you? toilet


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if they go class-action on you? toilet


roflmao

There are like eight ginger The Shining daughters and the rest were born to gesture while holding a meat cleaver.

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Originally Posted By: Sharkbiscuit
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if they go class-action on you? toilet


roflmao

There are like eight ginger The Shining daughters and the rest were born to gesture while holding a meat cleaver.


Yeah, that's about the time you swap out the fire extinguishers for flamethrowers. shark


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One thing a lot of people don't know about the Mormons is that they had a version of communism going for a while that they referred to as the United Order. Some of their offshoots still have variations of it. Choices being made based on what people need as opposed to what they can get for themselves.

Other religious groups have attempted the same type of program - dispersion of resources based on who is deemed to need what rather than on the individual being encouraged to keep what they kill.

I don't know how long that lasted in the main faction of the mormons but I do know that it failed for the same reasons it always fails - people are not naturally altrusitic and servient.


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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
One thing a lot of people don't know about the Mormons is that they had a version of communism going for a while that they referred to as the United Order. Some of their offshoots still have variations of it. Choices being made based on what people need as opposed to what they can get for themselves.

Other religious groups have attempted the same type of program - dispersion of resources based on who is deemed to need what rather than on the individual being encouraged to keep what they kill.

I don't know how long that lasted in the main faction of the mormons but I do know that it failed for the same reasons it always fails - people are not naturally altrusitic and servient.


TRUE !! ) the major religions are transactional !! )






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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
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I get the appeal of communism but at this point it should be clear humans are incapable of pulling it off

Maybe when AI takes over


Who wants communism? foreheadslap


MLK did



No, he didnt.


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The FBI thought he did

And we know those guys always tell the truth

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Whether they were right or wrong about MLKs private beliefs about communism, the FBI had good reason to suspect that he did support at least some aspects of it. We can sit back and laugh it off with a revisionist perspective that exists today precisely because we saw the Soviet Union collapse from within in the late 1980s. But as of the 1950s that history and that perspective didn't yet exist.

The morality of opposing international socialism is actually a separate issue from how to proceed if our foreign and domestic policy is to oppose it. Which is how it was back in the day. The FBI didn't create those policies, their job was to support and advance those interests.

In the post-war 1950s Communism was making advances, they were perceived to be the next big threat to humanity in general and democracy in particular. We had just backed down from a shooting war with communism in Korea, and there were colonial and communist uprisings occurring in nations all over the world. And many of those rebellions were based on class tensions that were exploited by the various leaders of those movements whether they were communists or not.

And after all when the communists referred to it as international socialism that was not an exaggeration of their ambitions.

So within the context of the US foreign policy of the 1950s (stop communism by any means necessary) this preacher is choosing to study communism, he is associating with at least a few activist types who reportedly were trained by communists and he is espousing societal change via socialism. Moreover, it isn't that uncommon for social movements to start off one way and escalate via internal power struggles as factions agitate to prove ideological purity. His wasn't the only viewpoint that existed among his supporters. Take the example of BLM or the Proud Boys - both groups have supporters whose aspirations run the gamut and who only share in common parts of the professed agendas of these groups.


Within the context of the current events of the day and especially considering the societal racism of that era the FBI would have been hugely remiss if they didn't take MLK and the law of unintended consequences into consideration.


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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Whether they were right or wrong about MLKs private beliefs about communism, the FBI had good reason to suspect that he did support at least some aspects of it. We can sit back and laugh it off with a revisionist perspective that exists today precisely because we saw the Soviet Union collapse from within in the late 1980s. But as of the 1950s that history and that perspective didn't yet exist.

The morality of opposing international socialism is actually a separate issue from how to proceed if our foreign and domestic policy is to oppose it. Which is how it was back in the day. The FBI didn't create those policies, their job was to support and advance those interests.

In the post-war 1950s Communism was making advances, they were perceived to be the next big threat to humanity in general and democracy in particular. We had just backed down from a shooting war with communism in Korea, and there were colonial and communist uprisings occurring in nations all over the world. And many of those rebellions were based on class tensions that were exploited by the various leaders of those movements whether they were communists or not.

And after all when the communists referred to it as international socialism that was not an exaggeration of their ambitions.

So within the context of the US foreign policy of the 1950s (stop communism by any means necessary) this preacher is choosing to study communism, he is associating with at least a few activist types who reportedly were trained by communists and he is espousing societal change via socialism. Moreover, it isn't that uncommon for social movements to start off one way and escalate via internal power struggles as factions agitate to prove ideological purity. His wasn't the only viewpoint that existed among his supporters. Take the example of BLM or the Proud Boys - both groups have supporters whose aspirations run the gamut and who only share in common parts of the professed agendas of these groups.


Within the context of the current events of the day and especially considering the societal racism of that era the FBI would have been hugely remiss if they didn't take MLK and the law of unintended consequences into consideration.




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