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#2900374 - 01/18/19 12:44 PM The Benefits of Impeachment
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'According to Appelbaum, history teaches us that impeaching a president has five major benefits even if they are not removed from office: it changes the way that the press covers the issue, switching from letting the president set a fearmongering agenda to piecing together a coherent narrative of the president's unfitness; it sidelines the president's agenda and forces them to focus on the impeachment; it moves away from the piecemeal Congressional committee investigations of individual scandals and puts the focus on the big picture of how they all fit together; it channels public and governmental anger with the government into a peaceful and lawful system of redressing grievances, forestalling potential political violence; and it permanently damages the impeached president's political prospects, putting them under a cloud for the rest of their political lives.

And what if the Senate does not convict Trump? The fifth benefit of impeachment is that, even when it fails to remove a president, it severely damages his political prospects. Johnson, abandoned by Republicans and rejected by Democrats, did not run for a second term. Nixon resigned, and Gerald Ford, his successor, lost his bid for reelection. Clinton weathered the process and finished out his second term, but despite his personal popularity, he left an electorate hungering for change. Many, including Al Gore, think that the impeachment cost Gore the election, Paul Rosenzweig, a former senior member of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starrs team, told me. So it has consequences and resonates outside the narrow four corners of impeachment. If Congress were to impeach Trump, whatever short-term surge he might enjoy as supporters rallied to his defense, his long-term political fate would likely be sealed.

In these five waysshifting the publics attention to the presidents debilities, tipping the balance of power away from him, skimming off the froth of conspiratorial thinking, moving the fight to a rule-bound forum, and dealing lasting damage to his political prospectsthe impeachment process has succeeded in the past. In fact, its the very efficacy of these past efforts that should give Congress pause; its a process that should be triggered only when a presidents betrayal of his basic duties requires it. But Trumps conduct clearly meets that threshold. The only question is whether Congress will act.'

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#2900381 - 01/18/19 12:56 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: heelnipstr]
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It is a strong strategy, but a dangerous precedent, especially when we have a divided populace.

If it didn't take up so much time of Congress the repeated use of this could be a good way to reduce the power of the Executive so Congress could regain their rightful position
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#2900385 - 01/18/19 01:01 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
It is a strong strategy, but a dangerous precedent, especially when we have a divided populace.

If it didn't take up so much time of Congress the repeated use of this could be a good way to reduce the power of the Executive so Congress could regain their rightful position


If Congress wanted that position they could take it right now. There's a bill that would end the shutdown but (R) won't allow the vote because Trump says no. They could easily override his veto if they wanted - they don't want.
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#2900389 - 01/18/19 01:05 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: heelnipstr]
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Number 1 benefit of impeachment and hopefully prosecution is that no one is supposed to be above the law in this country, no matter how rich they are, or even if they are Republicans,

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#2900392 - 01/18/19 01:07 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: heelnipstr]
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President Pelosi!
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#2900402 - 01/18/19 01:25 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: heelnipstr]
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I can tell by the responses here no one is looking at the long game though
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#2900687 - 01/18/19 09:36 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: heelnipstr]
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Try it and see what happens

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#2900719 - 01/18/19 10:58 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I can tell by the responses here no one is looking at the long game though

Is that the racist game where you shoot the mentally ill people? Thats your specialty.

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#2900790 - 01/19/19 01:43 AM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: 1whoknows]
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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I can tell by the responses here no one is looking at the long game though

Is that the racist game where you shoot the mentally ill people? Thats your specialty.

anti-mentally ill = racist!

thats a fking new one!!!! congrats

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#2900804 - 01/19/19 06:19 AM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: Wheelhouse]
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Originally Posted By: Wheelhouse
Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I can tell by the responses here no one is looking at the long game though

Is that the racist game where you shoot the mentally ill people? Thats your specialty.

anti-mentally ill = racist!

thats a fking new one!!!! congrats


You're and ifail are anti-mentally ill?

Whoa if true.
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#2900834 - 01/19/19 09:50 AM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: BillyOcean]
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Try it and see what happens


This is what I have been saying. The truth is that none of this is really intended towards impeaching Trump.
Its all about the following:

1. Hobbling him so he can't make the changes he ran on.
2. Keeping the fringe idiot left wing base fired up.
3. Hopefully hurting his popularity heading into 2020.

Truth is the democrats won't pull the trigger because they don't have a case and they never did. Bad orangeman isn't going to cut it.
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#2900836 - 01/19/19 09:56 AM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: 1whoknows]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
I can tell by the responses here no one is looking at the long game though

Is that the racist game where you shoot the mentally ill people? Thats your specialty.
roflmao
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#2900878 - 01/19/19 11:47 AM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: ifallalot]
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Encouraging the mentally ill to commit suicide us hilarious!

HAHAHAHAHAHA
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#2900893 - 01/19/19 12:07 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: heelnipstr]
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There's no crying in baseball - or politics. If the primary purpose of finding various ways to harass a politician while they're in office is to impede their agenda and prevent them from being re-elected then that's just as legitimate a means of political discourse as any.

The only caveat is that if this is the new normal then it's going to be used more often.
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#2900911 - 01/19/19 12:22 PM Re: The Benefits of Impeachment [Re: GDaddy]
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
There's no crying in baseball - or politics. If the primary purpose of finding various ways to harass a politician while they're in office is to impede their agenda and prevent them from being re-elected then that's just as legitimate a means of political discourse as any.

The only caveat is that if this is the new normal then it's going to be used more often.

It goes along the same lines as fighting for absolute free speech. At some point the winds are going to change and the precedent is going to be used in a way people don't like. EO's are another great example
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