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#2900261 - 01/18/19 10:09 AM High Crimes, tRump and perjury
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#2900273 - 01/18/19 10:28 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: everysurfr]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot

Buzzfeed roflmao


Originally Posted By: Surfdog

any day now


Originally Posted By: GromsDad

why aren't they investigating all of Clinton's crimes
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#2900275 - 01/18/19 10:31 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: everysurfr]
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#2900276 - 01/18/19 10:32 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: afoaf]
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Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: ifallalot

Buzzfeed roflmao


Originally Posted By: Surfdog

any day now


Originally Posted By: GromsDad

why aren't they investigating all of Clinton's crimes
roflmao

Still cheap shit, and does nothing to advance information on whether there was a real crime or not.

Like putting Capone in Alcatraz for "tax evasion"
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#2900287 - 01/18/19 10:57 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: ifallalot]
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did he evade taxes?

(yes)

is that a crime?

(yes)

should criminals go free because they were effective at concealing
their worst crimes?

(no)
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#2900291 - 01/18/19 11:03 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: afoaf]
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But the crime can't be proven, and the State is then allowed to imprison people on a suspicion. Its an exercise in tyranny

And regardless of my thoughts on taxes and tax evasion, the point is that other tax criminals were not sent to Alcatraz and we all know what the real crimes of Capone were.
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#2900292 - 01/18/19 11:04 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: afoaf]
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PS I just want to congratulate you again for nailing the responses. I lol'd
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#2900299 - 01/18/19 11:16 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: ifallalot

Buzzfeed roflmao


Originally Posted By: Surfdog

any day now


Originally Posted By: GromsDad

why aren't they investigating all of Clinton's crimes
roflmao

Still cheap shit, and does nothing to advance information on whether there was a real crime or not.

Like putting Capone in Alcatraz for "tax evasion"


Lulz.

People commit felonies to cover up nothing all the time.

It's awesome that the President ordered his lawyer to lie to congress over a nothing burger witch hunt. He's smart.

But your Capone thing is interesting. It's almost like you don't want to jail people for their lesser crimes, only their biggest ones. "Well, we know he's a tax cheat, but let's leave him alone because we can't definitively prove the whole extortion and murder stuff."

In any event, I'm guessing if Mueller has hard evidence of the cover up stuff, he's also got the actual crime stuff too.


Edited by StuAzole (01/18/19 11:19 AM)
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#2900300 - 01/18/19 11:18 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: everysurfr]
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I think the left should put its money where its mouth is and impeach Trump. Do it now. No reason to delay. Do it. I dare them to try. Let the cards fall where they may and we will see how the voters react. Bring it on. Who is with me?
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#2900303 - 01/18/19 11:23 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: StuAzole]
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Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: afoaf
Originally Posted By: ifallalot

Buzzfeed roflmao


Originally Posted By: Surfdog

any day now


Originally Posted By: GromsDad

why aren't they investigating all of Clinton's crimes
roflmao

Still cheap shit, and does nothing to advance information on whether there was a real crime or not.

Like putting Capone in Alcatraz for "tax evasion"


Lulz.

People commit felonies to cover up nothing all the time.

It's awesome that the President ordered his lawyer to lie to congress over a nothing burger witch hunt. He's smart.

But your Capone thing is interesting. It's almost like you don't want to jail people for their lesser crimes, only their biggest ones. "Well, we know he's a tax cheat, but let's leave him alone because we can't definitively prove the whole extortion and murder stuff."

In any event, I'm guessing if Mueller has hard evidence of the cover up stuff, he's also got the actual crime stuff too.


Tax evasion and lying to congress are BS trick crimes used by the tyrannical government cussing

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#2900304 - 01/18/19 11:24 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: GromsDad]
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I think the left should put its money where its mouth is and impeach Trump. Do it now. No reason to delay. Do it. I dare them to try. Let the cards fall where they may and we will see how the voters react. Bring it on. Who is with me?


Why is this to you an issue between "the left" and (presumably) "the right"?

Should it not be an issue of right or wrong, legal or illegal?

Directing Cohen to lie to Congress to cover up his conflicts of interest and to perpetuate his false denials to the American people of any relationship with Russia -- right or wrong? Legal or illegal?

Everyone knows the answer to that.

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#2900308 - 01/18/19 11:28 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: GromsDad]
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I think the left should put its money where its mouth is and impeach Trump. Do it now. No reason to delay. Do it. I dare them to try. Let the cards fall where they may and we will see how the voters react. Bring it on. Who is with me?


Mueller's a (R). Rosenstein (R). There are no Democrats steering this ship.

But to be sure, when the House subpoenas go out, Dems will lay their cards on the table.

If Trump is smart (he's not), he'll negotiate a deal and resign.
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#2900326 - 01/18/19 11:43 AM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: ifallalot]
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But the crime can't be proven,


I am umbraging super hard right now
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#2900346 - 01/18/19 12:04 PM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: afoaf]
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But the crime can't be proven,


I am umbraging super hard right now

Then if the crime can be proven enough to prosecute the real crime then why only go after obstruction? Unless its a modifier on top of the *real* crime
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#2900354 - 01/18/19 12:14 PM Re: High Crimes, tRump and perjury [Re: ifallalot]
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But the crime can't be proven,


I am umbraging super hard right now

Then if the crime can be proven enough to prosecute the real crime then why only go after obstruction? Unless its a modifier on top of the *real* crime


Why are you assuming they won't?

But, we're talking mainly impeachment at this point. Remember the whole "can't indict a sitting president" thing? How many felonies do they need to impeach him?

My feeling here is Trump needs to resign so he can get the Pence pardon. If he stays in office until the next election and then loses, he's going to be charged with more felonies than he can count.
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