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#2900917 - 01/19/19 12:26 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: ifallalot]
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It's the cooperation that resulted in human evolution, not competition.

Sceince.


If you're not competing, doesn't mean you are loser.

It just means that you're not a jock.
roflmao

The fact that you're equating "jock" with basic competition just shows you lack understanding as to what competition really is. And once again, competition and cooperation are not mutually exclusive, nor do they cancel each other out

And I'm still puzzled by the early 80s "jock" use as an insult


What did you win?

If you didn't win you're a fvcking loser.
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#2900920 - 01/19/19 12:29 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: BillyOcean]
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#2900923 - 01/19/19 12:29 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: ifallalot]
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I was responding to your statement "everything is a competition."

I still say this is not accurate.

Even in the most cooperative unit of all, the basic human family, the family members are still competing for resources within the family.

Competition is also subconscious


I was stuck on the use of the word "Everything."

I don't agree that it's everything.

It's pervasive?

Sure.

So is cooperation.

We function best in cooperation mode.
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#2900924 - 01/19/19 12:29 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: ifallalot]
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Competition is just one way we can interact with people. We can choose to be competitive or choose another way to be in contact.
Some people are unaware that it is even a choice and just react or act out as they have learned. Slaves to their emotions and/or learned patterns of behavior.
Can be fun but time will always make the competitor a loser in the end. Having competition a foundation of your life is a childish choice.

That's an interesting, rosy way to look at life. Completely false, but whatever floats your boat


It is interesting that you are unable to choose not to compete or do you not realize you have that choice.

Then again it can be scary seeing what is happening, deciding on an action and taking responsibility for the outcome. But then again maybe it is just best being a grossdad.
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#2900926 - 01/19/19 12:31 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
I was responding to your statement "everything is a competition."

I still say this is not accurate.

Even in the most cooperative unit of all, the basic human family, the family members are still competing for resources within the family.

Competition is also subconscious


Exactly so. Try a basic 3-person household as an example. Two adults and one kid. I guarantee you that whenever there's a choice to be made it will usually amount to 2 vs 1. Whether its both adults against the kid or whether the kid is successful in divide and conquer. The 2-person team is cooperating at the team level in order to prevail against their opposition.

Fair ain't got nothing to do with it.

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#2900939 - 01/19/19 12:49 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: BillyOcean]
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reality is more complex than human mental concepts

We come up with a category like competition and see that it describes a lot of behaviors

But conceiving of things by means of a category is also a shiny object that blinds us from other aspects of these behaviors

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#2900948 - 01/19/19 12:58 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: GDaddy]
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
I was responding to your statement "everything is a competition."

I still say this is not accurate.

Even in the most cooperative unit of all, the basic human family, the family members are still competing for resources within the family.

Competition is also subconscious


Exactly so. Try a basic 3-person household as an example. Two adults and one kid. I guarantee you that whenever there's a choice to be made it will usually amount to 2 vs 1. Whether its both adults against the kid or whether the kid is successful in divide and conquer. The 2-person team is cooperating at the team level in order to prevail against their opposition.

Fair ain't got nothing to do with it.



So "everything" in the family unit is about competition?

No cooperation?

I feel sorry for your kids.
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#2900952 - 01/19/19 01:02 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: heelnipstr]
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Originally Posted By: heelnipstr
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: heelnipstr

Competition is just one way we can interact with people. We can choose to be competitive or choose another way to be in contact.
Some people are unaware that it is even a choice and just react or act out as they have learned. Slaves to their emotions and/or learned patterns of behavior.
Can be fun but time will always make the competitor a loser in the end. Having competition a foundation of your life is a childish choice.

That's an interesting, rosy way to look at life. Completely false, but whatever floats your boat


It is interesting that you are unable to choose not to compete or do you not realize you have that choice.

Then again it can be scary seeing what is happening, deciding on an action and taking responsibility for the outcome. But then again maybe it is just best being a grossdad.

Your second statement is completely irrelevant to the first statement.

There is no choice of whether or not to compete. If you stop competing you die.

How do you get any waves at all with a non-compete mindset?
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#2900953 - 01/19/19 01:04 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: BillyOcean]
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reality is more complex than human mental concepts

We come up with a category like competition and see that it describes a lot of behaviors

But conceiving of things by means of a category is also a shiny object that blinds us from other aspects of these behaviors

You're hitting the nail on the head here.

Certain people hear the word "competition" and they start blithering about "winning" and "jocks"
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#2900960 - 01/19/19 01:09 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
reality is more complex than human mental concepts

We come up with a category like competition and see that it describes a lot of behaviors

But conceiving of things by means of a category is also a shiny object that blinds us from other aspects of these behaviors

You're hitting the nail on the head here.

Certain people hear the word "competition" and they start blithering about "winning" and "jocks"


Certain people say "competition is everything."

It's not.

Look up "symbiosis."

I'm see a big collision of frames here.

Can you?
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#2900966 - 01/19/19 01:12 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: BillyOcean]
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Synergies man.

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#2900968 - 01/19/19 01:13 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: GDaddy]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
I was responding to your statement "everything is a competition."

I still say this is not accurate.

Even in the most cooperative unit of all, the basic human family, the family members are still competing for resources within the family.

Competition is also subconscious


Exactly so. Try a basic 3-person household as an example. Two adults and one kid. I guarantee you that whenever there's a choice to be made it will usually amount to 2 vs 1. Whether its both adults against the kid or whether the kid is successful in divide and conquer. The 2-person team is cooperating at the team level in order to prevail against their opposition.

Fair ain't got nothing to do with it.



My orginal statement was that competition isn't everything.

So we agree?
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#2900991 - 01/19/19 01:48 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: heelnipstr
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: heelnipstr

Competition is just one way we can interact with people. We can choose to be competitive or choose another way to be in contact.
Some people are unaware that it is even a choice and just react or act out as they have learned. Slaves to their emotions and/or learned patterns of behavior.
Can be fun but time will always make the competitor a loser in the end. Having competition a foundation of your life is a childish choice.

That's an interesting, rosy way to look at life. Completely false, but whatever floats your boat


It is interesting that you are unable to choose not to compete or do you not realize you have that choice.

Then again it can be scary seeing what is happening, deciding on an action and taking responsibility for the outcome. But then again maybe it is just best being a grossdad.

Your second statement is completely irrelevant to the first statement.

There is no choice of whether or not to compete. If you stop competing you die.

How do you get any waves at all with a non-compete mindset?


I try to make choices to meet the situation and achieve the goal. There are a multitude to choose from depending on what the goal is.
I earn $ by not competing with rival businesses. I just do the best job I can and let the chips fall.
As for getting waves it would be hard in socal for reasons we all know. That is one reason I rarely surf there any longer.
Nothing wrong with competing I think you just have to take it for what it is, passing entertainment. Ascribing to being a winner or a loser based on one activity in a day is stupid.
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#2900992 - 01/19/19 01:51 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: heelnipstr]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: heelnipstr
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: heelnipstr

Competition is just one way we can interact with people. We can choose to be competitive or choose another way to be in contact.
Some people are unaware that it is even a choice and just react or act out as they have learned. Slaves to their emotions and/or learned patterns of behavior.
Can be fun but time will always make the competitor a loser in the end. Having competition a foundation of your life is a childish choice.

That's an interesting, rosy way to look at life. Completely false, but whatever floats your boat


It is interesting that you are unable to choose not to compete or do you not realize you have that choice.

Then again it can be scary seeing what is happening, deciding on an action and taking responsibility for the outcome. But then again maybe it is just best being a grossdad.

Your second statement is completely irrelevant to the first statement.

There is no choice of whether or not to compete. If you stop competing you die.

How do you get any waves at all with a non-compete mindset?


I try to make choices to meet the situation and achieve the goal. There are a multitude to choose from depending on what the goal is.
I earn $ by not competing with rival businesses. I just do the best job I can and let the chips fall.
As for getting waves it would be hard in socal for reasons we all know. That is one reason I rarely surf there any longer.
Nothing wrong with competing I think you just have to take it for what it is, passing entertainment. Ascribing to being a winner or a loser based on one activity in a day is stupid.

Competition =/= winners and losers since success is a spectrum

You're competing with rival businesses whether you think you are or not
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#2901003 - 01/19/19 02:18 PM Re: Does this Beta guy have a job? [Re: FecalFace]
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Originally Posted By: GDaddy
Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: Autoprax
I was responding to your statement "everything is a competition."

I still say this is not accurate.

Even in the most cooperative unit of all, the basic human family, the family members are still competing for resources within the family.

Competition is also subconscious


Exactly so. Try a basic 3-person household as an example. Two adults and one kid. I guarantee you that whenever there's a choice to be made it will usually amount to 2 vs 1. Whether its both adults against the kid or whether the kid is successful in divide and conquer. The 2-person team is cooperating at the team level in order to prevail against their opposition.

Fair ain't got nothing to do with it.



So "everything" in the family unit is about competition?

No cooperation?

I feel sorry for your kids.


That's because you didn't raise you kid and you don't know WTF you're talking about.

Politics usually occur whenever there are more than 2 people in the room. There aren't always conflicts but uncompromised unity where everyone thinks exactly the same is exceedingly rare in the human condition.

That is, unless we're talking about NPDs. poke

BESIDES THAT, competition between different ideas is a good thing. It's how the lesser ideas (I assume this berry is edible and we should try it) get separated from the better ideas (I'm worried that berry will kill you, so let's not take chances).
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