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Re: Best shoulder therapy exercises?
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The last place someone with shoulder problems should probably be is doing typical upper body exercises in the gym. Been being careful. Lot of work on strengthening things. My routine has been: Day 1: 20 minutes of cardio on a bike or climber followed by an hour on the machines working legs Day 2: 20 minutes of cardio on a bike or climber followed by an hour on the machines working upper body Day 3: Swim laps with a mix of distance and sprints Repeat. Not using free weights other than dumb bells. Keeping resistance low on the machines and doing a lot of reps. In two months I've lost 8 pounds overall and probably replaced another 8 pounds of body fat with muscle. Look better and feel better overall. When I do upper body I to a lot of Lats, Chest, Shoulder and Tris. I do very little Biceps. Really focusing on the stuff needed for surfing. Wake up in the morning though and the shoulder feels like shit from sleeping on it. Also last week surfed wearing a 5mm suit and the shoulder was feeling pretty shitty after 2 hours. I was pretty bummed with how I felt surfing because I thought I was a lot farther along than that from the work in the gym. Pain is all towards the top of the recovery stroke.....that last foot when you reach forward.......not in the pull stroke.
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Wow. Revelation. I surfed Saturday and in less than an hour was in pain.Shoulder to neck. I surfed for another hour because the waves were great and there was no crowd, but it was agony and ecstasy. After surfing I was walking up the trail holding my board and I noticed the pain was completely gone. A short time later, sitting at the table eating breakfast ,I noticed I was in pain again (arm up on the table). So I stood up and walked around a bit and again the pain went away. So what this MD is saying about the injury forcing the shoulder up and to exercise with weight pulling the shoulder down (holding my board) totally confirms what I was feeling. Also confirms what the PT said about the tingling in my arm and hand being caused by impingment in the neck. Going to watch that again. Thanks Gromsdad.
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a physio said that usual dumbbell, barbell shoulder gym stuff is good coz it builds up the muscle and ligaments in the shoulders which helps protect. This sounds like what you are doing so is good. The heavy duty stuff neglects the smaller rotator cuff muscles. The whole point of rotator cuff training is very light with high reps - almost doesn't feel like proper exercising. I like the elastic tubing ones best however I like the way this man explains how to isolate the rotator cuff muscles and avoid the bigger muscles such as delts taking over the exercise. Unlike the heavy stuff, rotator cuff can be exercised every day. https://youtu.be/mvjQMoL246o The muscles of the shoulder work in conjunction with and complimentary of each other. Why would you try and isolate the smaller weaker muscles (you can't) and ignore the larger and more powerful muscles? Why would you try (again, you can't) to create an imbalance in this necessary architecture?
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From a recent seminar....
It’s important to recognize that the model of “health” adopted by an individual or a practitioner ultimately guides how they interpret a given symptom, as well as what evaluation or treatment may then be pursued or offered. For example, consider the differences in diagnostic and treatment approach for the same symptom between a surgeon, a chiropractor, an acupuncturist, and a naturopath.
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2. Disease (pathology) is always the single cause of symptoms.
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Because these do not always hold true, this reductionist approach, while superficially appealing, is deeply flawed (see Wade et al. BMJ 2004)
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Despite ongoing debate in the literature, we’ve come to like a more recent proposal by Huber et al. (2011) arguing that health is characterized by “the ability to adapt and self-manage in the face of physical, emotional, and social challenges”.
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a physio said that usual dumbbell, barbell shoulder gym stuff is good coz it builds up the muscle and ligaments in the shoulders which helps protect. This sounds like what you are doing so is good. The heavy duty stuff neglects the smaller rotator cuff muscles. The whole point of rotator cuff training is very light with high reps - almost doesn't feel like proper exercising. I like the elastic tubing ones best however I like the way this man explains how to isolate the rotator cuff muscles and avoid the bigger muscles such as delts taking over the exercise. Unlike the heavy stuff, rotator cuff can be exercised every day. https://youtu.be/mvjQMoL246o The muscles of the shoulder work in conjunction with and complimentary of each other. Why would you try and isolate the smaller weaker muscles (you can't) and ignore the larger and more powerful muscles? Why would you try (again, you can't) to create an imbalance in this necessary architecture? Because with enough repetitive motion, the larger muscles will take over for the smaller muscles, leading to imbalance. Working smaller muscles in the rotator cuff isn't creating an imbalance, it's working to fix/avoid one. See e.g., swimmers.
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Whatever it does it certainly is helping me. What it's doing is warming up the shoulder joint, which is the worlds best pain reliever. Now ask yourself what you can do to avoid having regular life cause you so much pain.
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I do believe this is doing a lot more than warming up the muscles. From what I've read about the static hang and swinging the weights is that combined they create space in the joint so impingement doesn't continue and swinging the weights helps pull the joint back into a normal position. Probably helping with the rounded over shoulder posture from sitting and driving 8 to 10 hours a day. There's no such thing as "space" in a joint. Is it internal or external impingement? You should read up on "Nocebo" then forget all the silly bullshit and go have some fun.
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a physio said that usual dumbbell, barbell shoulder gym stuff is good coz it builds up the muscle and ligaments in the shoulders which helps protect. This sounds like what you are doing so is good. The heavy duty stuff neglects the smaller rotator cuff muscles. The whole point of rotator cuff training is very light with high reps - almost doesn't feel like proper exercising. I like the elastic tubing ones best however I like the way this man explains how to isolate the rotator cuff muscles and avoid the bigger muscles such as delts taking over the exercise. Unlike the heavy stuff, rotator cuff can be exercised every day. https://youtu.be/mvjQMoL246o The muscles of the shoulder work in conjunction with and complimentary of each other. Why would you try and isolate the smaller weaker muscles (you can't) and ignore the larger and more powerful muscles? Why would you try (again, you can't) to create an imbalance in this necessary architecture? Hey Coathanger, I'm curious what your qualifications are? I would be more inclined to consider your statements if I knew you had some expertise. The fact is my Physical Therapist included some exercises that seemed (to me) so easy (little arm circles while dangling the arm) that I kind of complained they were not exercise. They were much lighter that what is described above. The explanation he gave is exactly what you seem to refute- the light exercises work "positioning" muscles that can be over ridden by larger muscle groups if using weights or resistance.
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I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Anatomically the shoulder joint is designed to allow the arm to rise overhead. One of the reasons a dead hang isn't the best choice for non specific shoulder pain is that there will be a natural urge to retract the scapula to provide stability and reduce pressure on the shoulder joint. This is a good thing because relaxing the joint under bodyweight can cause damage...unfortunately this increases the conditions that cause impingement. Pressing weight overhead causes the scapula to rotate on it's own, as it's supposed to do which allows the joint to operate correctly and reduce impingement. You can increase this by shrugging your shoulders at the top, which will rotate the scapula further. It's a good practice to get in for surfers. Shrugging the shoulder up while paddling will reduce stress on the joint.
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a physio said that usual dumbbell, barbell shoulder gym stuff is good coz it builds up the muscle and ligaments in the shoulders which helps protect. This sounds like what you are doing so is good. The heavy duty stuff neglects the smaller rotator cuff muscles. The whole point of rotator cuff training is very light with high reps - almost doesn't feel like proper exercising. I like the elastic tubing ones best however I like the way this man explains how to isolate the rotator cuff muscles and avoid the bigger muscles such as delts taking over the exercise. Unlike the heavy stuff, rotator cuff can be exercised every day. https://youtu.be/mvjQMoL246o The muscles of the shoulder work in conjunction with and complimentary of each other. Why would you try and isolate the smaller weaker muscles (you can't) and ignore the larger and more powerful muscles? Why would you try (again, you can't) to create an imbalance in this necessary architecture? Hey Coathanger, I'm curious what your qualifications are? I would be more inclined to consider your statements if I knew you had some expertise. The fact is my Physical Therapist included some exercises that seemed (to me) so easy (little arm circles while dangling the arm) that I kind of complained they were not exercise. They were much lighter that what is described above. The explanation he gave is exactly what you seem to refute- the light exercises work "positioning" muscles that can be over ridden by larger muscle groups if using weights or resistance. I'm a partner in a small private strength and conditioning gym with two DR's. one Internal medicine and the other a DPT. About ten years ago they provided me an alternative to back surgery and the rest is history. Generally I'm just one of three staff trainers but do work with clients during the rehab process if they are cleared to train by the docs. Day to day I handle more of the business side of things but when I'm in town I'm training. Our shop is sport specific for athletes. It's not a rehab facility because rehab isn't the focus, but we do work through the day to day niggles that athletes get from time to time. We often have a short period of time to work with them and then it's mostly check ins. Quick and efficient. I think common sense could be your guide here. If you walk into just about any physical therapy office in the country you will see patients being treated for an awful disease called gravity by doing thing like assisted stand up out of chairs and assisted seated calf raises. Things like arm circles, body weight lying leg extensions, rolling balls with their feet etc. It's all bullshit. It is anatomically impossible to have an imbalance between large muscles and those known as stabilizers unless of course you had a destructive injury that rendered the specific muscle useless. When you do anything physical your body handles the task one way. You aren't going to be able focus stress from large muscles to "stabilizers(I hate this term)" by adjusting the weight. There are however things a bad PT will do to stress the smaller muscles of the rotator cuff for instance, but these exercises are not helpful because the joint isn't made to work that way. Compound movements stress the muscles, soft tissue and joints of the body perfectly and in balance in the exact way the body is supposed to handle external stress. Aches and pains are part of getting older. General strength increases and common sense help protect you from injury. When you're hurting you rest during the acute injury phase, then back off and work through it. Make sure your form in the movement is as precise as you can make it to reduce your chance of injury.
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I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Anatomically the shoulder joint is designed to allow the arm to rise overhead. One of the reasons a dead hang isn't the best choice for non specific shoulder pain is that there will be a natural urge to retract the scapula to provide stability and reduce pressure on the shoulder joint. This is a good thing because relaxing the joint under bodyweight can cause damage...unfortunately this increases the conditions that cause impingement. Pressing weight overhead causes the scapula to rotate on it's own, as it's supposed to do which allows the joint to operate correctly and reduce impingement. You can increase this by shrugging your shoulders at the top, which will rotate the scapula further. It's a good practice to get in for surfers. Shrugging the shoulder up while paddling will reduce stress on the joint. Not sure what you are saying in that post but I can assure you that the static hang helped me immensely. I wouldn't call my pain non-specific. I could put my finger right on it and when it was fired up it was like being stabbed with an ice pick.
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I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Anatomically the shoulder joint is designed to allow the arm to rise overhead. One of the reasons a dead hang isn't the best choice for non specific shoulder pain is that there will be a natural urge to retract the scapula to provide stability and reduce pressure on the shoulder joint. This is a good thing because relaxing the joint under bodyweight can cause damage...unfortunately this increases the conditions that cause impingement. Pressing weight overhead causes the scapula to rotate on it's own, as it's supposed to do which allows the joint to operate correctly and reduce impingement. You can increase this by shrugging your shoulders at the top, which will rotate the scapula further. It's a good practice to get in for surfers. Shrugging the shoulder up while paddling will reduce stress on the joint. Not sure what you are saying in that post but I can assure you that the static hang helped me immensely. I wouldn't call my pain non-specific. I could put my finger right on it and when it was fired up it was like being stabbed with an ice pick. Like I said previously, the best thing you can do for joint pain is to use it. Anatomy is what it is though and dead hangs can have a tendency to be counter productive. If you like them great, I would suggest to allow your scapula to rotate while hanging which may not feel very natural.
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a physio said that usual dumbbell, barbell shoulder gym stuff is good coz it builds up the muscle and ligaments in the shoulders which helps protect. This sounds like what you are doing so is good. The heavy duty stuff neglects the smaller rotator cuff muscles. The whole point of rotator cuff training is very light with high reps - almost doesn't feel like proper exercising. I like the elastic tubing ones best however I like the way this man explains how to isolate the rotator cuff muscles and avoid the bigger muscles such as delts taking over the exercise. Unlike the heavy stuff, rotator cuff can be exercised every day. https://youtu.be/mvjQMoL246o The muscles of the shoulder work in conjunction with and complimentary of each other. Why would you try and isolate the smaller weaker muscles (you can't) and ignore the larger and more powerful muscles? Why would you try (again, you can't) to create an imbalance in this necessary architecture? Hey Coathanger, I'm curious what your qualifications are? I would be more inclined to consider your statements if I knew you had some expertise. The fact is my Physical Therapist included some exercises that seemed (to me) so easy (little arm circles while dangling the arm) that I kind of complained they were not exercise. They were much lighter that what is described above. The explanation he gave is exactly what you seem to refute- the light exercises work "positioning" muscles that can be over ridden by larger muscle groups if using weights or resistance. I'm a partner in a small private strength and conditioning gym with two DR's. one Internal medicine and the other a DPT. About ten years ago they provided me an alternative to back surgery and the rest is history. Generally I'm just one of three staff trainers but do work with clients during the rehab process if they are cleared to train by the docs. Day to day I handle more of the business side of things but when I'm in town I'm training. Our shop is sport specific for athletes. It's not a rehab facility because rehab isn't the focus, but we do work through the day to day niggles that athletes get from time to time. We often have a short period of time to work with them and then it's mostly check ins. Quick and efficient. I think common sense could be your guide here. If you walk into just about any physical therapy office in the country you will see patients being treated for an awful disease called gravity by doing thing like assisted stand up out of chairs and assisted seated calf raises. Things like arm circles, body weight lying leg extensions, rolling balls with their feet etc. It's all bullshit. It is anatomically impossible to have an imbalance between large muscles and those known as stabilizers unless of course you had a destructive injury that rendered the specific muscle useless. When you do anything physical your body handles the task one way. You aren't going to be able focus stress from large muscles to "stabilizers(I hate this term)" by adjusting the weight. There are however things a bad PT will do to stress the smaller muscles of the rotator cuff for instance, but these exercises are not helpful because the joint isn't made to work that way. Compound movements stress the muscles, soft tissue and joints of the body perfectly and in balance in the exact way the body is supposed to handle external stress. Aches and pains are part of getting older. General strength increases and common sense help protect you from injury. When you're hurting you rest during the acute injury phase, then back off and work through it. Make sure your form in the movement is as precise as you can make it to reduce your chance of injury. Cool... So this stuff is basically your job. I'll consider your views more attentively now. Thanks.
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a physio said that usual dumbbell, barbell shoulder gym stuff is good coz it builds up the muscle and ligaments in the shoulders which helps protect. This sounds like what you are doing so is good. The heavy duty stuff neglects the smaller rotator cuff muscles. The whole point of rotator cuff training is very light with high reps - almost doesn't feel like proper exercising. I like the elastic tubing ones best however I like the way this man explains how to isolate the rotator cuff muscles and avoid the bigger muscles such as delts taking over the exercise. Unlike the heavy stuff, rotator cuff can be exercised every day. https://youtu.be/mvjQMoL246o The muscles of the shoulder work in conjunction with and complimentary of each other. Why would you try and isolate the smaller weaker muscles (you can't) and ignore the larger and more powerful muscles? Why would you try (again, you can't) to create an imbalance in this necessary architecture? Hey Coathanger, I'm curious what your qualifications are? I would be more inclined to consider your statements if I knew you had some expertise. The fact is my Physical Therapist included some exercises that seemed (to me) so easy (little arm circles while dangling the arm) that I kind of complained they were not exercise. They were much lighter that what is described above. The explanation he gave is exactly what you seem to refute- the light exercises work "positioning" muscles that can be over ridden by larger muscle groups if using weights or resistance. I'm a partner in a small private strength and conditioning gym with two DR's. one Internal medicine and the other a DPT. About ten years ago they provided me an alternative to back surgery and the rest is history. Generally I'm just one of three staff trainers but do work with clients during the rehab process if they are cleared to train by the docs. Day to day I handle more of the business side of things but when I'm in town I'm training. Our shop is sport specific for athletes. It's not a rehab facility because rehab isn't the focus, but we do work through the day to day niggles that athletes get from time to time. We often have a short period of time to work with them and then it's mostly check ins. Quick and efficient. I think common sense could be your guide here. If you walk into just about any physical therapy office in the country you will see patients being treated for an awful disease called gravity by doing thing like assisted stand up out of chairs and assisted seated calf raises. Things like arm circles, body weight lying leg extensions, rolling balls with their feet etc. It's all bullshit. It is anatomically impossible to have an imbalance between large muscles and those known as stabilizers unless of course you had a destructive injury that rendered the specific muscle useless. When you do anything physical your body handles the task one way. You aren't going to be able focus stress from large muscles to "stabilizers(I hate this term)" by adjusting the weight. There are however things a bad PT will do to stress the smaller muscles of the rotator cuff for instance, but these exercises are not helpful because the joint isn't made to work that way. Compound movements stress the muscles, soft tissue and joints of the body perfectly and in balance in the exact way the body is supposed to handle external stress. Aches and pains are part of getting older. General strength increases and common sense help protect you from injury. When you're hurting you rest during the acute injury phase, then back off and work through it. Make sure your form in the movement is as precise as you can make it to reduce your chance of injury. Cool... So this stuff is basically your job. I'll consider your views more attentively now. Thanks. It's more like a hobby. I'm lucky enough to work with very talented people and pitch in where I can.
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I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Anatomically the shoulder joint is designed to allow the arm to rise overhead. One of the reasons a dead hang isn't the best choice for non specific shoulder pain is that there will be a natural urge to retract the scapula to provide stability and reduce pressure on the shoulder joint. This is a good thing because relaxing the joint under bodyweight can cause damage...unfortunately this increases the conditions that cause impingement. Pressing weight overhead causes the scapula to rotate on it's own, as it's supposed to do which allows the joint to operate correctly and reduce impingement. You can increase this by shrugging your shoulders at the top, which will rotate the scapula further. It's a good practice to get in for surfers. Shrugging the shoulder up while paddling will reduce stress on the joint. Not sure what you are saying in that post but I can assure you that the static hang helped me immensely. I wouldn't call my pain non-specific. I could put my finger right on it and when it was fired up it was like being stabbed with an ice pick. It'a a good read but I'm not sure you want to purchase the paper. The conclusion is that joint spacing and pain are not associated. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1063458418314158
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I'm not sure what the point of the video is. Anatomically the shoulder joint is designed to allow the arm to rise overhead. One of the reasons a dead hang isn't the best choice for non specific shoulder pain is that there will be a natural urge to retract the scapula to provide stability and reduce pressure on the shoulder joint. This is a good thing because relaxing the joint under bodyweight can cause damage...unfortunately this increases the conditions that cause impingement. Pressing weight overhead causes the scapula to rotate on it's own, as it's supposed to do which allows the joint to operate correctly and reduce impingement. You can increase this by shrugging your shoulders at the top, which will rotate the scapula further. It's a good practice to get in for surfers. Shrugging the shoulder up while paddling will reduce stress on the joint. Not sure what you are saying in that post but I can assure you that the static hang helped me immensely. I wouldn't call my pain non-specific. I could put my finger right on it and when it was fired up it was like being stabbed with an ice pick. It'a a good read but I'm not sure you want to purchase the paper. The conclusion is that joint spacing and pain are not associated. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1063458418314158 [/quote So there's really no such thing as bursitis?
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THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
Coat Hanger
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Stuart Mcgill's book Lower Back Disorder is excellent.
The new one is aimed at the general pop. I like it. He's great if you want to hear someone speak about really basic no duh type of things wrapped up in a bunch of semantics. It's something a lot of really bright and passionate people do. The problem with this is that words matter....but don't take my word for it. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/7/e014129
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
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Re: Best shoulder therapy exercises?
[Re: patrolman]
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03/23/19 11:55 PM
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Mr J
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I have to agree with Casa. See a professional.
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If surfing is really important to quality of life, then do this. Trying to self diagnose on the internet is likely to end up with either non optimal or non effective remedy. I think a physiotherapist will be part of the professional help (may need referral from doc). My previous post was explaining what professionals have prescribed me. They may not be applicable to anyone here - although I'd be surprised if elastic band rotator cuff exercise would actually hurt anyone, but then I'm not a professional. Yes I really was prescribed heavy dumbbell exercises for instability from a physio who looks after 2 of Melbourne's (Australia's) top footy teams. As a bit of background I've seen physios/docs for shoulder instability i.e dislocation (surgically repaired quite a long time ago). Rotator cuff sprains and broken collar bones from skateboarding. Shoulder dislocation/instability was surfing/windsurfing a long time ago. Broken collarbones from skateboarding - once about 10 years ago and caused slight separation in ac joint and a few years ago which did not make the separation any worse. I've done more skateboarding than surfing over the last 15 years, but recently that situation has reversed and I'm doing more surfing than skating. While my shoulders aren't perfect (separation still showed under x-ray and nothing is ever exactly the same after surgery), I can surf heaps - been doing 6+ sessions a week done in 2 sessions per day without any shoulder pain during or after.
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Re: Best shoulder therapy exercises?
[Re: GromsDad]
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05/09/19 12:43 PM
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SharkBoy
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Post em up. Working hard to come back from shoulder and hip problems. Got the hip pretty much resolved but the shoulder is still nagging a little. Been working hard in the weight room 4-5 days a week for two months, dropped a few pounds and gotten much much stronger. Still feeling shoulder impingement going on.....now I think because of my work in the weight room pulling my shoulders forward. Think I just need to balance things out a bit. Looking for what works. All the rotator cuff excercises I did about 10-12 years ago made my shoulders way worse Been doing snatches and overhead squats the last 3 years and all problems are gone. I'm no doctor, but my hypothesis is that you pump those muscles out of proportion when you isolate them, over head barbell excercises strengthen the shoulders with what they are meant for....stability: https://youtu.be/9xQp2sldyts"<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9xQp2sldyts" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>"
Last edited by SharkBoy; 05/09/19 12:43 PM.
Like a blind man at an orgie, I was gonna have to feel my way around.
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Re: Best shoulder therapy exercises?
[Re: SharkBoy]
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05/13/19 04:12 AM
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THE TERRORIST OF TERRAMAR
Coat Hanger
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Post em up. Working hard to come back from shoulder and hip problems. Got the hip pretty much resolved but the shoulder is still nagging a little. Been working hard in the weight room 4-5 days a week for two months, dropped a few pounds and gotten much much stronger. Still feeling shoulder impingement going on.....now I think because of my work in the weight room pulling my shoulders forward. Think I just need to balance things out a bit. Looking for what works. All the rotator cuff excercises I did about 10-12 years ago made my shoulders way worse Been doing snatches and overhead squats the last 3 years and all problems are gone. I'm no doctor, but my hypothesis is that you pump those muscles out of proportion when you isolate them, over head barbell excercises strengthen the shoulders with what they are meant for....stability: https://youtu.be/9xQp2sldyts"<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9xQp2sldyts" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>" You can't isolate muscles....which is why the imbalance garbage is just silly bullshit. You can be inefficient, which non compound movements are, and do things that are outright bad for soft tissues, like rotator cuff exercises which you've experienced.
The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
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Re: Best shoulder therapy exercises?
[Re: Coat Hanger]
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05/13/19 08:56 AM
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SharkBoy
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Post em up. Working hard to come back from shoulder and hip problems. Got the hip pretty much resolved but the shoulder is still nagging a little. Been working hard in the weight room 4-5 days a week for two months, dropped a few pounds and gotten much much stronger. Still feeling shoulder impingement going on.....now I think because of my work in the weight room pulling my shoulders forward. Think I just need to balance things out a bit. Looking for what works. All the rotator cuff excercises I did about 10-12 years ago made my shoulders way worse Been doing snatches and overhead squats the last 3 years and all problems are gone. I'm no doctor, but my hypothesis is that you pump those muscles out of proportion when you isolate them, over head barbell excercises strengthen the shoulders with what they are meant for....stability: https://youtu.be/9xQp2sldyts"<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9xQp2sldyts" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>" You can't isolate muscles....which is why the imbalance garbage is just silly bullshit. You can be inefficient, which non compound movements are, and do things that are outright bad for soft tissues, like rotator cuff exercises which you've experienced. makes sense, thanks.
Like a blind man at an orgie, I was gonna have to feel my way around.
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Re: Best shoulder therapy exercises?
[Re: GromsDad]
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08/13/19 09:35 PM
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I built an outdoor pull up bar so I can do the static hang, its kind of painful actually after about 30 seconds but I feel like it is helping with the impingement in my right shoulder, I feel like my cortisone shot from May is wearing off so I have been doing some PT at home, yoga, acupuncture, and swimming, I'm also surfing every other day instead of daily like i usually do when i'm off for the summer.
I still suffer from a weird pain that shoots down both my elbows and into my fingers some times, its kind of random but surfing and carrying a longboard on these small days definitely triggers it. years ago my xray or mri i cant remember which showed that it was related to my spinal issues (stenosis). cool thing is my back doesn't hurt at all anymore as my wife made us get a temperpedic bed and I sleep on my side with a pillow between my knees so theres that.. the worse part of shoulder issues is you lose so much paddling power, i missed, been pitched, or pulled back on some good waves over the last couple years,
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