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Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: rts265] #2897030
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I have a small buzz set (they’re bigger than large st2)

I have a set of controllers - think they’re alphas

I’m taking the mackie and mlv tomorrow anyway

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Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: rts265] #2897056
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Originally Posted By: rts265
probably need to do some deadlifts.


Definitely. I still struggle on my EPS deck.


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Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: rts265] #2897166
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Originally Posted By: rts265
guys that are riding Slater 'designs' (firewire), or Stretch, are they actually on EPS or really riding PU

I finally get the hate on EPS, I was planing and its so hard to change direction and engage rail when you are going so fast and above the water. Just ordered yet another, might not be too late to see if I can switch to PU


you ride really big boards for your size. less of an issue with PU than EPS.

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6'1, 220

5'10 x 21.5 x 2.875 (sounds about right to me)
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Seems to me like not the best board(a little wide in the tail) for the particular waves on tap that day


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Originally Posted By: need 4 speed
6'1, 220

5'10 x 21.5 x 2.875 (sounds about right to me)
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Seems to me like not the best board(a little wide in the tail) for the particular waves on tap that day


I would normally agree, but happen to own an oversized for me QF that I've taken into reasonably powerful conditions.... How big WERE the conditions? Isn't RTS in NZ? I'm talking like barely OH, not DOH NZ barrelz...

Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: rts265] #2897185
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No I’m in Los Angeles

Solid OH+

Yeah, just not best board choice for the day

Just finally saw what people who hate on eps are talking about

Problem was the drops were steep and fast but the wave backed off after that. So, needed to cut back. If the wave kept running would be a different story

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Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: SixtyGrit] #2897187
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I'm going to guess those dimensions are about 38 ltr+ I would not consider that large for a guy who is 220. For a non-pro semi advanced surfer I'd suggest going closer to the high side of 39 ltr. Or more. Especially if you are strapping on a 4/3 wetsuit. And I've been 220 with single digit body fat. My avatar was shot at about 220 in my early 50's.

I've cut a number of EPS boards for pros. The White Diamond that started that thing off went out for Dane in EPS. I argued against that decision. I was wrong. He loved that board. There were apparently quite a number of EPS boards (non FW) in Slater's pond. I have uneven results in EPS. Seems largely dependent on conditions. Poly always feels like coming home.

Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: rts265] #2897190
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I’ve stepped it up to the 40s

I completely sink this fish in question when paddling

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I've been doing a quiver reset lately, my eps boards were sized for when I was 30-40 lbs heavier. I found myself struggling to turn them where and when I wanted. I am much happier now. Still all eps. I originally switched to eps to increase float and paddleability. I've been giving some thought to trying pu with epoxy glassing for shits and giggles. Don't take this the wrong way as it is not intended to sound dickish, but it's usually the archer, not the arrow(your case could be a little arrow). Tommy made a great comment on a different thread "pro can ride anything", I think pros will ride anything that gets them paid(or free boards they can flip for cash). I recently dropped a board off at a glasser and when we were discussing glassing options it was interesting to hear him(just in passing) about the inferior core I brought him (eps)


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Oh, It’s totally me. I’ve got a pu coming (Zippi) I’ll report back if I feel any difference

Re: Do pros actually ride EPS? [Re: rts265] #2897423
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Even before Kelly was with Firewire he rode EPS/Epoxy boards in comps every now and then and free surfs, rumour way back in FW Taja era was that he rode a few of Taja's FW's and really liked them, although I was still surprised when he bought into FW.

Ive seen a few X team riders boards boards including Sally's and an old snapped Taj board they seemed exactly the same as stock standard FST.

During the pre Kelly FW era Taj and Sally and Michel road FST

But since Kelly has come on board it seems Kelly and Michel and Stuey are all riding LFT and according to Mark often LFT without deck skins.

Which is not at all surprising seeing 99% of pros ride extremely light glassed boards, not many people ride the same glassing schedule as the pros get if you have ever rode a very lightly glassed PU/PE board you will understand why they get them glassed so light, because they go heaps better.

Apparently when Kelly started riding FW construction, he requested they mix things up and do EPS/Epoxy and PU/PE boards with the same design to try to take away any psychological bias from himself to the tech either way.

Although you still would expect he could pick the difference just from having a good look at them?

It is kind of funny though because, when he wasn't surfing that good and people were going his boards to floaty or something on the EPS/Epoxy, he was actually probably ridding PU/PE.


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BTW. EPS sitting higher in the water is just another EPS/Epoxy hoax two boards that are exactly the same design/shapes in every way, if they sit in the water when paddling at the same point when up and riding the EPS/Epoxy doesn't suddenly sit higher, your issue is with design/shape etc.

IMHO even the EPS gives more float thing is a hoax, if it's scientifically true it's so minuscule that it can't be noticed...if it was true it would actually be great, i could go for less volume and a more refined board but still have the same float to paddle etc..it would great and EPS/Epoxy would then give a clear advantage over PU/PE...but I'm sorry to say it doest happen.

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Argument is pretty funny. Paddling around, a surfboard is essentially a plank.

To claim two diffeeent materials don’t have different natural frequencies is denying physics. Doesn’t matter if they’re the same geometry, if the material is different they will resonate and deflect differently when put in a dynamic situation.

I think this is most of the weirdness felt comparing eps vs poly. How it gets described or put into words is a whole different issue.

I’d love to try a stretch. I’ve read he’s figured out the right combo of glassing and density to make the EPS behave.

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