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The Dems should say, “you want this wall funded, sure, we want this, this, and this.” If Trump says yes, he ends up endorsing a progressive agenda. If he says no deal, it makes him look like he doesn’t really care about “border security.”

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
The Dems should say, “you want this wall funded, sure, we want this, this, and this.” If Trump says yes, he ends up endorsing a progressive agenda. If he says no deal, it makes him look like he doesn’t really care about “border security.”


The Republicans (Lindsey Graham) just tried to do that and Trump wasn't having it, so now Graham is telling him to make the emergency declaration.

I think that's an awesome idea on so many levels. It will be a useful precedent when McConnell is blocking the next (D) President, and what's the worst thing that could happen? $6B of $800B doesn't get spent on what the DoD wants it spent on, and instead it will actually defend the country? Tom Cotton might have a sad?

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One of the Trump orgs VP's says he is a horrible dealmaker and never took responsibility for his mistakes, How could so many people fall for his bullshit?

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I think he's in a fine position. Leave the government shut down until democrats cave. No compromise on national security.


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Why would Dems cave?

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Trump is not good at bargaining. He'll give anyone who speaks nicely of him whatever they want. Pelosi should go tell him she loves his hair almost as much as his intellect and then ask for universal healthcare.


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Interesting how we’re suddenly in a ‘crisis’.

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Why would Dems cave?


I'd bet Cheeto will cave next week. What else does he have left in his bag of stunts.

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Why would Dems cave?


Pressure from unions perhaps? Will of the American people perhaps?


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The American people do not want the wall, just like they didn't elect Trump.

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The American people do not want the wall, just like they didn't elect Trump.


74% of the country disagrees with Cheeto

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/Government-Shutdown

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Fake news because it disagrees with trump

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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
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Why would Dems cave?


Pressure from unions perhaps? Will of the American people perhaps?


Pressure from unions? I thought Trump was the blue collar hero and Dems just the elite?


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It’s all just so sad, isn’t it?

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The horde of illegal alien felons that constitutes this "crisis" only exists in the heads of Cheeto and his hard-core supporters.

Compared to most of America's real problems like Chinese expansion, Korea's nukes, extreme partisanship, runaway health care costs, student debt, pollution, infrastructure, etc., illegal aliens as a national security problem are way down in the weeds.



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I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?

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Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


You've lost your mind. Step outside. Get away from the computer. Life is rolling along without government non-essential workers.


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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
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I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


You've lost your mind. Step outside. Get away from the computer. Life is rolling along without government non-essential workers.

There are so many people that have completely lost their minds like this. And this is only after two years. It's easy to see how people that get so affected by what the media tells them fall so fully for the Russia narrative. They're easily influenced, so they project it onto others


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Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


I know what you mean. There’s something going on, some scheme, behind all of this. You republican conservative types, you detached “I’m above it all” types are ignoring it. You’re not allowing yourselves to feel it. This wall thing is strange. This is a play towards something.

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
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I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


I know what you mean. There’s something going on, some scheme, behind all of this. You republican conservative types, you detached “I’m above it all” types are ignoring it. You’re not allowing yourselves to feel it. This wall thing is strange. This is a play towards something.

You know, I felt the same way with 911 and the ensuing unrelated wars. It was easy to connect the dots to think that the neocons orchestrated 911 in order to get an excuse to go fight imperial oil wars. But then I got a brain and realized that the universe is chaos and the people in government and their peers are not special or smart enough to pull off huge schemes like you see in a movie.


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I agree. I never thought 9/11 was anyone other than Al Quaeda. The attack fit a pattern. Perhaps I’m in denial of the pattern here. This pattern seems like “Idiocracy.”

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The wall is just an overreaction after 30 yrs of established politicians’ failure to do something about illegal immigration

It’s actually a pretty mild overreaction in the scheme of things

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Using facts, data, what should be done about illegal immigration? A data and fact driven solution. What?

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5.7 billion dollars. For what? “A wall. A fence. Steel slats.” Come on man. That’s not very specific. Who’s getting that money? That’s a specific amount for a nebulous project.

Let’s pay for some inner city kid’s educations. Let’s lift some people up.

This group’s outlook on the world is sad.

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
I agree. I never thought 9/11 was anyone other than Al Quaeda. The attack fit a pattern. Perhaps I’m in denial of the pattern here. This pattern seems like “Idiocracy.”


I know a really smart guy and a very successful criminal defense attorney who insists to this day that 911 was an inside job. crazy2


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I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


You've lost your mind. Step outside. Get away from the computer. Life is rolling along without government non-essential workers.

There are so many people that have completely lost their minds like this. And this is only after two years. It's easy to see how people that get so affected by what the media tells them fall so fully for the Russia narrative. They're easily influenced, so they project it onto others

How about those who have lost their minds over trumps fear mongering and believe him so fully? They’re easily influenced, so they project it onto others.

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
5.7 billion dollars. For what? “A wall. A fence. Steel slats.” Come on man. That’s not very specific. Who’s getting that money? That’s a specific amount for a nebulous project.

Let’s pay for some inner city kid’s educations. Let’s lift some people up.

This group’s outlook on the world is sad.



Yeah, there are better uses for this money, but you could say this about a lot of things

Dems and establishment repubs have zero credibility on immigration at this point

They’ve had many chances to implement more sensible plans

The only reasonable conclusion is they don’t actually want to solve the problem

Because they don’t really think it’s a problem

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Could you list the compromises that were put on the table, and what they lacked?

Plz and thankz yu

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I don’t know

It’s not that complicated though

If they had more to gain by solving immigration, it would be solved

They haven’t, ergo it is in their interest not to solve it

This is contrary to the interest of the people they purport to represent

So we’ll get an idiotic wall instead

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
I don’t know

It’s not that complicated though

If they had more to gain by solving immigration, it would be solved

They haven’t, ergo it is in their interest not to solve it

This is contrary to the interest of the people they purport to represent

So we’ll get an idiotic wall instead


A lot of truth right there. If the politicians would follow and enforce the law regarding immigration and hiring of illegal workers we probably wouldn't need a wall.


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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
I don’t know

It’s not that complicated though

If they had more to gain by solving immigration, it would be solved

They haven’t, ergo it is in their interest not to solve it

This is contrary to the interest of the people they purport to represent

So we’ll get an idiotic wall instead

So if no compromise then the wall is inevitable? We’re stuck with the idiotic wall that’ll go way over budget? Those are the only options?

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Trump is still trying to make a deal

He could, for example, just use the military to secure the border and to round up all illegals

That would be an extreme overreaction but his base would love it

Dems are underestimating the additional crazy levers we could get to if we don’t meaningfully address this issue soon

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To make a deal you have offer something to the other side, Trump does not seem understand this.

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The Dems could be denying his wall due to it being to low for all you know.

And that is talking to a trump groupie in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
Originally Posted By: Uberkuque
I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


I know what you mean. There’s something going on, some scheme, behind all of this. You republican conservative types, you detached “I’m above it all” types are ignoring it. You’re not allowing yourselves to feel it. This wall thing is strange. This is a play towards something.


American security right now is likely at its lowest level in several years. If anything were to happen we would be in total disarray. Trump should know this. Does he not? He is willing to risk our immediate security over a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science. What does that tell us?

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damn. using courier font. that is fooking aggressive man.
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A threat response is a potent trigger for motivated reasoning.

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It’s like if you take too uncompromising of a position weird shit happens

E.g., Catholics want priests to never masturbate so they end up with child molesters

So, deny the hillbillies their wall, but you might end up with something way worse

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Trump is still trying to make a deal

He could, for example, just use the military to secure the border and to round up all illegals

That would be an extreme overreaction but his base would love it

Dems are underestimating the additional crazy levers we could get to if we don’t meaningfully address this issue soon


This. He's got his base whipped up into such a frenzy they would let him do anything.


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Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: BillyOcean] #2897305
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Billy for the weirdest analogy ever award!

Also what makes you think the follow up to the wall will automatically be worse?

You are swooned by this made up crisis.

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It is funny out of all promises Trump made the only one he actually is trying to keep is the most moronic one.

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It’s very silly

It could be easily resolved

Just give him the absolute minimum amount of “wall”, let him declare victory and move on

By not doing this, it just makes it seem so much more important than it is

Trump’s opponents really feed his whole schtik

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No! For once the scumbag is not going bully people into agreeing with his bad ideas.

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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean


Because they don’t really think it’s a problem


? “Them” thinking it’s a problem is the primary reason trump is president

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Originally Posted By: mundus
No! For once the scumbag is not going bully people into agreeing with his bad ideas.


How much is proving a point worth?

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About $5 billion

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Originally Posted By: mundus
No! For once the scumbag is not going bully people into agreeing with his bad ideas.


How much is proving a point worth?
Just because you would blow Trump if he asked does not mean anybody else should. Are you seriously try to blame the Dems for Trump holding 800,000 Americans hostage for his childish, selfish ego? I hate to break the news, but 70% of Americans blame tRUMP.

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Originally Posted By: mundus
No! For once the scumbag is not going bully people into agreeing with his bad ideas.


How much is proving a point worth?


Ask Trump. The wall is his point.


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The biggest obstacle in trying to bargain with Trump is his inconsistency. His positions change constantly. You may strike a deal with Trump in the evening and then he'll renege on that deal by morning.

It's impossible to bargain in good faith with Trump.


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Originally Posted By: Gnudz
The biggest obstacle in trying to bargain with Trump is his inconsistency. His positions change constantly. You may strike a deal with Trump in the evening and then he'll renege on that deal by morning.

It's impossible to bargain in good faith with Trump.


I understand that's how he was in the business world, too.


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It's weird that when (D) offered Trump $25 Billion or whatever it was in exchange for keeping DACA he turned it down.

Great deal maker. The best.


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