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Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: BillyOcean] #2897285
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
I don’t know

It’s not that complicated though

If they had more to gain by solving immigration, it would be solved

They haven’t, ergo it is in their interest not to solve it

This is contrary to the interest of the people they purport to represent

So we’ll get an idiotic wall instead

So if no compromise then the wall is inevitable? We’re stuck with the idiotic wall that’ll go way over budget? Those are the only options?

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897286
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Trump is still trying to make a deal

He could, for example, just use the military to secure the border and to round up all illegals

That would be an extreme overreaction but his base would love it

Dems are underestimating the additional crazy levers we could get to if we don’t meaningfully address this issue soon

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897288
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To make a deal you have offer something to the other side, Trump does not seem understand this.

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: BillyOcean] #2897289
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The Dems could be denying his wall due to it being to low for all you know.

And that is talking to a trump groupie in a nutshell.

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897292
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Originally Posted By: 1whoknows
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I am starting to think Trump is trying to cripple America in order to enable Putin to make a power play, be it economical or military.

The guy is trying to break America, before our very eyes. Over a complete sham of a cause — a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science.

Why is he doing this?


I know what you mean. There’s something going on, some scheme, behind all of this. You republican conservative types, you detached “I’m above it all” types are ignoring it. You’re not allowing yourselves to feel it. This wall thing is strange. This is a play towards something.


American security right now is likely at its lowest level in several years. If anything were to happen we would be in total disarray. Trump should know this. Does he not? He is willing to risk our immediate security over a wall that’s not even backed by facts or science. What does that tell us?

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: Uberkuque] #2897293
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Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897295
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Billy WTF?


A threat response is a potent trigger for motivated reasoning.

"People who are right a lot listen a lot, and they change their mind a lot. . . . . They wake up and reanalyze things and change their mind. If you don't change your mind frequently, you're going to be wrong a lot."
Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897303
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It’s like if you take too uncompromising of a position weird shit happens

E.g., Catholics want priests to never masturbate so they end up with child molesters

So, deny the hillbillies their wall, but you might end up with something way worse

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: BillyOcean] #2897304
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean
Trump is still trying to make a deal

He could, for example, just use the military to secure the border and to round up all illegals

That would be an extreme overreaction but his base would love it

Dems are underestimating the additional crazy levers we could get to if we don’t meaningfully address this issue soon


This. He's got his base whipped up into such a frenzy they would let him do anything.


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Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: BillyOcean] #2897305
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Billy for the weirdest analogy ever award!

Also what makes you think the follow up to the wall will automatically be worse?

You are swooned by this made up crisis.

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897309
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I report; you decide

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897312
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It is funny out of all promises Trump made the only one he actually is trying to keep is the most moronic one.

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897315
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It’s very silly

It could be easily resolved

Just give him the absolute minimum amount of “wall”, let him declare victory and move on

By not doing this, it just makes it seem so much more important than it is

Trump’s opponents really feed his whole schtik

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: 1whoknows] #2897316
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No! For once the scumbag is not going bully people into agreeing with his bad ideas.

Re: Trump is not in a good bargaining position [Re: BillyOcean] #2897321
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Originally Posted By: BillyOcean


Because they don’t really think it’s a problem


? “Them” thinking it’s a problem is the primary reason trump is president

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