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I liked this one. I thought the board looked good.

That other guy surfs better than Noah.


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Board looked really good for both of them. Xanadu has a ridiculous number of models/board families etc on his website - and I don't even think its totally current. Are that many people riding/ordering xanadus? Anybody ride them on here and have some favorites? I always considered him a top shaper but never saw a ton of his boards in lineups. Generally pros/top locals and then the popular surftech model he had years ago.

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The Lowers thing is getting old.

He needs to mix it up with some other spots. TStreet, etc. Especially for the crap waves boards.


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Originally Posted By: jkb
I liked this one. I thought the board looked good.

That other guy surfs better than Noah.


That guy is a doctor! Insane!


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yeah the dude surfs really good. I was surprised to hear his height/weight bc he almost looks like a bigger dude on camera than Noel, but they're the same size, and he's actually riding a smaller board than Noel.

Agree with you Casa- kinda bored of Lowers footage and it's hard for me to relate to. Upside of testing boards there is the consistency of the wave though, so I get it.

I'm not a Xanadu purist, but I've bought 2 of his boards OTR from a local shop, the Mithras and the Nitz, and they both felt finished and glassed well. I emailed him directly twice to ask questions on sizing and rockers of those boards, and he's always been prompt to respond and forthcoming with information. Mithras is a small wave board and Nitz is a mini step up, but they're both in Family 1 which has more rocker curve in the front of the board and lower tail rocker. Both have gone well for me. I'm interested to try a Moskah - it's got the opposite rocker curve - low in the nose and medium/higher in the tail.

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speaking of small wave boards, here's another surfer riding the Xanadu Wing Twin and killing it in El Sal. Waves look so fun in this vid

https://vimeo.com/196874505

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I like that he divides his boards up into families.


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Originally Posted By: tedshred5
speaking of small wave boards, here's another surfer riding the Xanadu Wing Twin and killing it in El Sal. Waves look so fun in this vid

https://vimeo.com/196874505


Wow. That thing is flying.

Thats the shape I almost pulled the trigger upon seeing at a surf shop a couple years ago. Looked so good

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nice, but the very first thing you notice about twin fin footage is the immediate loss of a really hard turn back into the pocket and a good roundhouse cutback..........

which those waves were crying out for imo.


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Originally Posted By: freeride76
nice, but the very first thing you notice about twin fin footage is the immediate loss of a really hard turn back into the pocket and a good roundhouse cutback..........

which those waves were crying out for imo.


Tyler Warren riding the same board, also in El Sal:

http://view.surfline.com/twin-fin-surfboard-guide/xanadu/

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more of the same


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Originally Posted By: freeride76
nice, but the very first thing you notice about twin fin footage is the immediate loss of a really hard turn back into the pocket and a good roundhouse cutback..........

which those waves were crying out for imo.


Do you think that's a function of a twin fin in general, or a twin with fins placed too far forward?


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Fins too far forward
imo


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I think both.


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fin size and template also a very important component


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Interesting.

One thing I noticed on a twin I had recently was that it felt like I lacked down the line projection after a bottom turn. I could get it to highline fine, but if I was dropping in straight, making a bottom turn and angling for the shoulder, there would be a hesitation in the boards acceleration.

It never felt too loose and I never felt like I had to baby my turns in any way. My fins were set 6" up from the tail and I tried 2 different sets (Akila's and Tomo's hatchet keel). Ultimately, I settled on the rationale that the center fin of a thruster wasn't just about hold, but it was also important in projecting down the line after a bottom turn. Not sure if my reasoning is faulty and there is another explanation??

I've been nervous to order another twin since.


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Originally Posted By: jkb
Interesting.

One thing I noticed on a twin I had recently was that it felt like I lacked down the line projection after a bottom turn. I could get it to highline fine, but if I was dropping in straight, making a bottom turn and angling for the shoulder, there would be a hesitation in the boards acceleration.

It never felt too loose and I never felt like I had to baby my turns in any way. My fins were set 6" up from the tail and I tried 2 different sets (Akila's and Tomo's hatchet keel). Ultimately, I settled on the rationale that the center fin of a thruster wasn't just about hold, but it was also important in projecting down the line after a bottom turn. Not sure if my reasoning is faulty and there is another explanation??

I've been nervous to order another twin since.


I feel like I can push harder on a thruster so I generate more speed

When the wave has inherent speed, Twin is faster

If I was a better surfer, Id probably be more confident pushing a twin and be faster all the time on that

Basically, I think twin surfing is more advanced

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That Xanadu twin looks sick btw

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Originally Posted By: jkb
Interesting.

One thing I noticed on a twin I had recently was that it felt like I lacked down the line projection after a bottom turn. I could get it to highline fine, but if I was dropping in straight, making a bottom turn and angling for the shoulder, there would be a hesitation in the boards acceleration.

It never felt too loose and I never felt like I had to baby my turns in any way. My fins were set 6" up from the tail and I tried 2 different sets (Akila's and Tomo's hatchet keel). Ultimately, I settled on the rationale that the center fin of a thruster wasn't just about hold, but it was also important in projecting down the line after a bottom turn. Not sure if my reasoning is faulty and there is another explanation??

I've been nervous to order another twin since.

Hey, Simon didn't call the design the thruster for no reason...:-) It surely is about thrust...ergo projection.


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i rode nothing but quads for a long, long time and this past October started throwing some thrusters in my HPSB. as long as the wave has some push i can absolutely drive the board much harder with the thruster set-up.

it's interesting feeling the differences between quad vs. thruster in similar waves.

taking that one-step further a twin will definitely have less drive than a quad set-up so the difference between a thruster and twin will be pronounced and especially so to someone used to a thruster.

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Bummer you guys can't get your Twins , 4 fins and Thrusters to work the best they can .

It does involve creating fins for each .

How else could this be possible .

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Twins and quads are faster...in a straight line.

The thruster stabilizes the board's speed.

You can have the fastest vehicle on the planet but without traction the speed it can achieve is irrelevant.


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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Bummer you guys can't get your Twins , 4 fins and Thrusters to work the best they can .

It does involve creating fins for each .

How else could this be possible .


At minimum the shaper should be able to direct you to a fin template for the board.

Also I've been surprised to hear how many shapers find fin placement irrelevant and do the exact same placement for every shape.


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Originally Posted By: jkb
Originally Posted By: freeride76
nice, but the very first thing you notice about twin fin footage is the immediate loss of a really hard turn back into the pocket and a good roundhouse cutback..........

which those waves were crying out for imo.


Do you think that's a function of a twin fin in general, or a twin with fins placed too far forward?


Both. If the fins are place too far forward, they slide. 6" shouldn't slide out.

The problem with twins is that they lack drive through a turn. I figured this out riding my current board w/o twinzer canards. Putting the canards in make the board project out of a bottom turn with way more speed. W/o canards, the board lagged out of the bottom turn and slow.

I haven't owned a thruster in about 10 years, rode quads for 5 years before switching to twinzers. Every time I jump on someone's thruster to try, it feels like I'm dragging kelp, but in a turn they feel good as long as I don't have to make my own speed (pump).


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Originally Posted By: ghostshaper
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Originally Posted By: freeride76
nice, but the very first thing you notice about twin fin footage is the immediate loss of a really hard turn back into the pocket and a good roundhouse cutback..........

which those waves were crying out for imo.


Do you think that's a function of a twin fin in general, or a twin with fins placed too far forward?


Both. If the fins are place too far forward, they slide. 6" shouldn't slide out.

The problem with twins is that they lack drive through a turn. I figured this out riding my current board w/o twinzer canards. Putting the canards in make the board project out of a bottom turn with way more speed. W/o canards, the board lagged out of the bottom turn and slow.

I haven't owned a thruster in about 10 years, rode quads for 5 years before switching to twinzers. Every time I jump on someone's thruster to try, it feels like I'm dragging kelp, but in a turn they feel good as long as I don't have to make my own speed (pump).


cheers

My suspicion is confirmed.

I should have also added that I didn't feel that same lag on the twinzer of yours that I surfed, but I also wasn't doing deep bottom turns on that day. More of a down-the-line takeoff.


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I caught two shvt waves that day. Your board felt like one of my student's tiny boards when I used to trade w/ them (and I'm lighter than you).

Adding the canards makes a huge difference in hold and drive off the bottom or in a cutback.

To keep it Xanadu related, I had a custom hand shape by Xanadu in the early 90s. When my brother picked it up along w/ his board, Xanadu was proud/happy to tell him that mine was hand shaped.

It was the potato chip era, and I didn't get the drive out of it that I was getting at the time on my JCs, so I put it in the used rack at the surf shop I worked at. It was contest season and Taj Burrow ended up buying it as a backup (think he was on Webbers or MCs at the time). When I found out, I was a stoked grom. jam_on





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Casa , can you give examples - no names tho

"Also I've been surprised to hear how many shapers find fin placement irrelevant and do the exact same placement for every shape."


It looked like this board worked the best yet for Noel .

Off to finish 40 fins for customs

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All use the same Tri fin placement for stock boards

Mayhem uses the same quad location on all but the retro end

JS has only 2 quad placements

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I really like the additional goofy foot surfer

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My Placements change with size of the board

Size of fins change also


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While lowers can be a bit boring

It gives us the viewer a nice consistent wave to make our own judgement on

He can do lots of moves on one wave

It would take 1 year to do a review if he surfed El Porto Pottie

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While lowers can be a bit boring

It gives us the viewer a nice consistent wave to make our own judgement on

He can do lots of moves on one wave

It would take 1 year to do a review if he surfed El Porto Pottie


I can see both sides. I completely see your point but at least for the grovelers I would prefer to see some waves in really small shit surf. 80 percent of the waves he rides on grovelers at lowers I'd be on my every day shortboard and I'm a kook.


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Maybe its up to the viewer to send in soloshot clips of the chitty surf llololol

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Originally Posted By: jkb
I liked this one. I thought the board looked good.

That other guy surfs better than Noah.


Agree. The guy absolutely rips, and looks like a 'natural' surfer, as opposed to someone who's had to work really hard on it.

Funny that the smaller board (with ridiculously low volume, imho) looked perfect for him, while Noel S still could benefit from more board (again, imho).

Board looked really good. How did Xanadu drop off the radar?

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Originally Posted By: retodd
While lowers can be a bit boring

It gives us the viewer a nice consistent wave to make our own judgement on

He can do lots of moves on one wave

It would take 1 year to do a review if he surfed El Porto Pottie
El Porto looked pretty epic today! You could probably do a sick review in 1 day! haha.
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Re: Xanadu on Surf n Show [Re: Maz] #2896293
01/10/19 11:31 AM
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not sure if he got tied up into Chna stuff when thar was happening or surf shops hard to manage or being unique, boards always been good, call to order, you'll be stoked

Re: Xanadu on Surf n Show [Re: tedshred5] #2896342
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When guys rip too hard in these reviews I dont find it very helpful because they probably rip on anything

I like that Aussie guy Craigs review the best because he is mortal

Re: Xanadu on Surf n Show [Re: Maz] #2896353
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Originally Posted By: Maz
Originally Posted By: jkb
I liked this one. I thought the board looked good.

That other guy surfs better than Noah.


Agree. The guy absolutely rips, and looks like a 'natural' surfer, as opposed to someone who's had to work really hard on it.

Funny that the smaller board (with ridiculously low volume, imho) looked perfect for him, while Noel S still could benefit from more board (again, imho).

Board looked really good. How did Xanadu drop off the radar?



I surfed against Max Hoshino in college NSSA's, which were surprisingly competitive. I always liked his style and am stoked to see him appear out of thin air still shredding.

He took a year off before med school to compete on the 'QS, not sure how far he got in the ratings.


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Re: Xanadu on Surf n Show [Re: tedshred5] #2896357
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Living in Florida, these waves are all hilariously good.

The onshore chest-head high section fests Benny's Mini Me goes out in; I f-----g dream of March for a couple days like that. Just a couple days with speed to burn, a lip, and zero kooks on boards they can't duck dive.

Salsa is a hobbit and appears to frequent mid-week Lowers. Yeah, if I could get a peak takeoff with a tapered wall bending at me, in the stomach-head high range....yeah.

It's like SBD said. I'm thinking about boards in conditions like one or two of the Japanese lost videos, or that recently posted Curren clip at knee high pier waves.

mfw taking fins and nuggets to board and bong pre-surf if Slopteenth Ave North has conditions for most "grovel board" reviews:



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Re: Xanadu on Surf n Show [Re: grendel95] #2896707
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Originally Posted By: grendel95
Originally Posted By: Maz
Originally Posted By: jkb
I liked this one. I thought the board looked good.

That other guy surfs better than Noah.


Agree. The guy absolutely rips, and looks like a 'natural' surfer, as opposed to someone who's had to work really hard on it.

Funny that the smaller board (with ridiculously low volume, imho) looked perfect for him, while Noel S still could benefit from more board (again, imho).

Board looked really good. How did Xanadu drop off the radar?



I surfed against Max Hoshino in college NSSA's, which were surprisingly competitive. I always liked his style and am stoked to see him appear out of thin air still shredding.

He took a year off before med school to compete on the 'QS, not sure how far he got in the ratings.


Ha surfed against him too. One of those guys that can get in a rhythm and do like 6 turns on a waist high wave. IIRC he surfed for UCSD.

Keep in mind he's mid-late 30's vs Noel whose got to be mid late 40's.

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Re: Xanadu on Surf n Show [Re: retodd] #2922448
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Originally Posted By: retodd


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All use the same Tri fin placement for stock boards



Yes, this is what I was told as well.

I do not understand the thinking behind doing it this way.


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