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Board longevity/durability #2892990
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The Maurice cole episode on the Lee Scales podcast got me thinking about this. What blank/resin/production process are people finding to have the longest life span and durability?

Thick stringers, varial foam, epoxy/pu were mentioned repeatedly.

Bonus points for some of the eco products that have less of a toxic residue/effect. Algae blanks, bio resins, etc.

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Its still hard to beat PU/PE if you put a proper glass job on it. I've done Epoxy/PU and they hold up real good too.


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Products made by skilled people usually last the longest

Beware of eco marketing , surfboards all end in the landfill anyways

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Originally Posted By: retodd
Products made by skilled people usually last the longest

Beware of eco marketing , surfboards all end in the landfill anyways

Agree to an extent on first point, however any shaper can and does build boards to be disposable based on $$ and rider.

And totally agree on second point. Ive been pretty critical of a lot of the marketing and BS that is inherently associated with the eco material, but theres some stuff thats worthy. Cole made note of that.

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Cole was very critical of the PU/PE. Essentially said weve been stuck on old and outdated material with better material available with either equal or better performance characteristics and opportunity. Hard to disagree with that with whats available to be honest.

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Originally Posted By: retodd
Products made by skilled people usually last the longest


Could not agree more especially glassing and even shapers picking the proper foam for what you are looking for.

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Listen to Parmenter, he speaks the truth in all his surf splendour podcasts. He answers your question in the second half of this one https://surfsplendorpodcast.com/241-on-boards-with-dave-parmenter-and-ryan-martz-part-four/

i.e high end sandwich builds coming out of the Asia are the strongest. Stay away from the low end non-composite wirecut eps/epoxy from that region - the inevitable pinholes will start sucking water.

However, its got to be taken into context. The advantages of sandwich strength to weight ratios are more significant for the bigger craft i.e. SUPs and longboards. Plus you won't get custom builds. Built properly PU/PE will be serviceable for years. He doesn't say it, but not everyone is going to like the sandwich build ride either (I do, but I'm probably in the minority).

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well glassed pu/pe has lasted the best for me.

epoxy over pu second.

those early FW builds looked pretty bullet-proof but the later builds seem increasingly flimsy.

None of my boards have ended up in landfill*, they are all under the house.

30 year old pu/pe guns that will surf fine when the dirt is scraped off.

* none in the last couple decades anyhow.

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The old fire wires were definitely pretty bullet proof.

Ive had pu/pe last crazy long and crazy short. That probably comes down to a combination of luck and quality of craftsmanship from builder. But I think in controlled scenarios theyd rank pretty low.

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Dumb thread. You already know the answer. most durable boards are made of metal or redwood. next durable is inch wide or multiple stringers with 10 oz or whatever super strong cloth. you want to ride that stuff go ahead. otherwise it's surftech for you. the rest of us will ride pu blanks with poly or epoxy resin and appreciate the performance benefits. oh and the Firewire builds are complete shit, despit what Dafrost (Firewire fluffer) says here.

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not sure what it is like in the states but the quality/durability of stock pu/pe's is so much better now than it was 5-10 years ago here in oz.

I got a Pyzel Ghost pu/pe, had it for a year, thrashed it super hard on rocky points and an Indo trip and it's barely got a deck dent.


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FW seem like they should be durable but I don't really buy it.

Saw a buddy buckl his FW longboard in waist high waves. Thing was nearly new.

When I was in J-Bay I went to a ding guy to get a fin box repaired and the dude had a stack, like 10+ FW boards in the corner all buckled or snapped. I guess there are a couple guys there who are FW sponsored or get flow or something. Ding guy was not impressed by the foam faux stringers and the de-laminating wood veneers.

I'm sure you could break a board at J-bay but it's definitely not what I would consider a super heavy board breaking type wave so I dunno.

Coils are probably the most durable boards I've owned as far as dings but I did break one surfing a heavy beachbreak.

Stretch are def pretty durable and the XTR's I've been getting are holding up great as well.

All of my Stamps PU/PE hold up well compared to PU/PE from the big manufacturers. Noticeable difference.

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I've got a couple of 50+ year old PU/PE boards that are holding up quite nicely.

How did those hollow carbon fiber boards hold up........Avisio I think they were called?


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Originally Posted By: freeride76
well glassed pu/pe has lasted the best for me.

epoxy over pu second.

those early FW builds looked pretty bullet-proof but the later builds seem increasingly flimsy.

None of my boards have ended up in landfill*, they are all under the house.

30 year old pu/pe guns that will surf fine when the dirt is scraped off.

* none in the last couple decades anyhow.


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