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#2893572 - 01/03/19 03:45 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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I think pu/pe manufacturers were forced to up their game and improve durability due to asian surfboards, first Surftech, then FW who used improved durability as a selling point.


Ironically, pu/pe's got stronger, FW's got weaker and Surftechs went extinct.
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#2893577 - 01/03/19 03:49 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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Designs have changed a bit too so you're not seeing as many broken PU/PE boards as you did 20 years ago.
Thicker wider shorter = less breakage.
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#2893584 - 01/03/19 04:13 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: mundus]
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Originally Posted By: mundus
Never ridden an epoxy, so don't know. Do the manufacturers really want increased durability, doesn't that mean less units sold?

Some do genuinely want more durable boards, despite the fact it theoretically means less units sold.
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#2893589 - 01/03/19 04:31 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: GromsDad]
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Originally Posted By: GromsDad
Designs have changed a bit too so you're not seeing as many broken PU/PE boards as you did 20 years ago.
Thicker wider shorter = less breakage.
Actually a good point.

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#2893597 - 01/03/19 04:56 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: freeride76]
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Originally Posted By: freeride76
I think pu/pe manufacturers were forced to up their game and improve durability due to asian surfboards, first Surftech, then FW who used improved durability as a selling point.


Ironically, pu/pe's got stronger, FW's got weaker and Surftechs went extinct.


CI still puts out shitty glassed PU boards that wear out in 6 months shrug

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#2893606 - 01/03/19 05:06 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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Worst glass job ever was on a CI, if you looked at the thing wrong it dinged

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#2893614 - 01/03/19 05:17 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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Bet those issues were from a bad batch of blanks

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#2893677 - 01/03/19 08:29 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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I felt like I wasted 2-3 years riding all these stupid tech. PU/PE is the gold standard.
It was nice trying out those different techs but once I went back to PU/PE, it was like reuniting with an old friend.

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#2893678 - 01/03/19 08:34 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: mundus]
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Originally Posted By: mundus
Never ridden an epoxy, so don't know. Do the manufacturers really want increased durability, doesn't that mean less units sold?


For the most part, it's a marketing gimmick to move more boards. I will take anyday a board that breaks in 3 months than a board that lasts 2 years and shitty to ride.

I think my 2 cents also, PU/PE works as a dampener on a good wave. When energy of the wave is coming and you are paddling, pu/pe tends to Absorbs the energy of the wave and rides smooth. The energy of wave is nicely/efficiently transitioned into the surfer. Epoxy tends to do the opposite and bounce off water/energy especially when waves have juice. One epoxy board I had, as I was paddling and wanted to take off late backside, the tail kept fukkkin flexing back and forth like crazy as I come into contact with energy of the wave. Fukkkin weird. Not sure that makes sense. Just my experience but Im sure experienced surfers can make anything work and look good

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#2893684 - 01/03/19 09:05 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: goingright]
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Originally Posted By: goingright
Originally Posted By: mundus
Never ridden an epoxy, so don't know. Do the manufacturers really want increased durability, doesn't that mean less units sold?


For the most part, it's a marketing gimmick to move more boards. I will take anyday a board that breaks in 3 months than a board that lasts 2 years and shitty to ride.

I think my 2 cents also, PU/PE works as a dampener on a good wave. When energy of the wave is coming and you are paddling, pu/pe tends to Absorbs the energy of the wave and rides smooth. The energy of wave is nicely/efficiently transitioned into the surfer. Epoxy tends to do the opposite and bounce off water/energy especially when waves have juice. One epoxy board I had, as I was paddling and wanted to take off late backside, the tail kept fukkkin flexing back and forth like crazy as I come into contact with energy of the wave. Fukkkin weird. Not sure that makes sense. Just my experience but Im sure experienced surfers can make anything work and look good

Essentialy a useless post.
Epoxy...ok that is resin. There's a vast number of different eps foams, laminations, skins, resins in use now that a blanket statement about epoxy boards serves no purpose. Need to be specific.
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#2893688 - 01/03/19 09:13 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: Retropete]
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Originally Posted By: Retropete
Originally Posted By: goingright
Originally Posted By: mundus
Never ridden an epoxy, so don't know. Do the manufacturers really want increased durability, doesn't that mean less units sold?


For the most part, it's a marketing gimmick to move more boards. I will take anyday a board that breaks in 3 months than a board that lasts 2 years and shitty to ride.

I think my 2 cents also, PU/PE works as a dampener on a good wave. When energy of the wave is coming and you are paddling, pu/pe tends to Absorbs the energy of the wave and rides smooth. The energy of wave is nicely/efficiently transitioned into the surfer. Epoxy tends to do the opposite and bounce off water/energy especially when waves have juice. One epoxy board I had, as I was paddling and wanted to take off late backside, the tail kept fukkkin flexing back and forth like crazy as I come into contact with energy of the wave. Fukkkin weird. Not sure that makes sense. Just my experience but Im sure experienced surfers can make anything work and look good

Essentialy a useless post.
Epoxy...ok that is resin. There's a vast number of different eps foams, laminations, skins, resins in use now that a blanket statement about epoxy boards serves no purpose. Need to be specific.


I'm pretty sure he means EPS foam instead of Epoxy

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#2893689 - 01/03/19 09:17 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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Quentin Tarantino puts it best. We can push technology as much as we want but there are some things that cant be replicated.


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#2893692 - 01/03/19 09:26 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: stu dog]
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Originally Posted By: stu dog
Originally Posted By: Retropete
Originally Posted By: goingright
Originally Posted By: mundus
Never ridden an epoxy, so don't know. Do the manufacturers really want increased durability, doesn't that mean less units sold?


For the most part, it's a marketing gimmick to move more boards. I will take anyday a board that breaks in 3 months than a board that lasts 2 years and shitty to ride.

I think my 2 cents also, PU/PE works as a dampener on a good wave. When energy of the wave is coming and you are paddling, pu/pe tends to Absorbs the energy of the wave and rides smooth. The energy of wave is nicely/efficiently transitioned into the surfer. Epoxy tends to do the opposite and bounce off water/energy especially when waves have juice. One epoxy board I had, as I was paddling and wanted to take off late backside, the tail kept fukkkin flexing back and forth like crazy as I come into contact with energy of the wave. Fukkkin weird. Not sure that makes sense. Just my experience but Im sure experienced surfers can make anything work and look good

Essentialy a useless post.
Epoxy...ok that is resin. There's a vast number of different eps foams, laminations, skins, resins in use now that a blanket statement about epoxy boards serves no purpose. Need to be specific.


I'm pretty sure he means EPS foam instead of Epoxy
Yes, my mistake,

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#2893700 - 01/03/19 10:26 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: goingright]
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Originally Posted By: goingright
Quentin Tarantino puts it best. We can push technology as much as we want but there are some things that cant be replicated.

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I call BS in regards to build material having nowhere else to go. Lots of proof to the contrary.
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#2893708 - 01/03/19 10:44 PM Re: Board longevity/durability [Re: manbearpig]
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Originally Posted By: manbearpig
Originally Posted By: goingright
Quentin Tarantino puts it best. We can push technology as much as we want but there are some things that cant be replicated.


I call BS in regards to build material having nowhere else to go. Lots of proof to the contrary.


Totally agree;)


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