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#2891565 - 12/27/18 10:27 PM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: StinkinHippie]
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Originally Posted By: StinkinHippie
Any eating plan without carbs is foolish.

Guess what, if your wife or GF gets on this keto diet she's going to be a BTB. BIG TIME BITCH.

No carbs = irritable kunt.


Yup. But try telling that to a keto person. They insist that being in ketosis is a normal part of our homeostasis.
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#2891575 - 12/27/18 11:13 PM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: hal9000]
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#2891576 - 12/27/18 11:13 PM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: hal9000]
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Old co workers sold the Pruvit Keto...bla bla bla...

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#2891578 - 12/27/18 11:17 PM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: tsenn]
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Originally Posted By: tsenn
Old co workers sold the Pruvit Keto...bla bla bla...

Yeah I've seen some snake oil coming out to try and "promote ketones" and other BS

There's nothing to sell to make Keto work. All one has to do is stay under 25ish net carbs per day.

Intermittent fasting works on the same principles and gets the body to burn the same way with a less strict diet.
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#2891581 - 12/27/18 11:35 PM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
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JUST WHAT A CROSSKETOFIT PERSON WOULD SAY, BR
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#2891583 - 12/27/18 11:40 PM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: StinkinHippie]
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Originally Posted By: StinkinHippie
Any eating plan without carbs is foolish.

Guess what, if your wife or GF gets on this keto diet she's going to be a BTB. BIG TIME BITCH.

No carbs = irritable kunt.


Only for a few days.

I dont eat a whole lot of carbs, they make me feel like shit.
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#2891602 - 12/28/18 04:22 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: LogHauler]
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I tried it for about a 6 weeks. The idea is simple. If your body doesn't have any carbs to burn it will burn fat instead. I lost about 12lbs in that 6 weeks.

A lot of that weight was probably water weight, not fat. Carbs are stored in your muscles as glycogen, and each gram of carbs holds on to about 3-4 grams of water. When you restrict carbs, your body will use that glycogen as fuel. Hence the rapid weight loss. If you want to see if that weight loss was fat, eat a pizza or bowl of pasta and see if you are still down 12 pounds the day after.
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The idea is simple. If your body doesn't have any carbs to burn it will burn fat instead

Your body will still burn dietary fat first. If you are in a calorie deficit, then your body will move into burning stored body fat, but it would do that on a carb based diet as well.

Keto does not have any magical fat burning properties. If you eat an excessive amount of calories on keto you will still gain weight. Keto does have some appetite supressive effects, so any success with keto comes from indirectly restricting calories.

Science, out! beer
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#2891605 - 12/28/18 04:47 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: grapedrink]
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you kind lose interest in eating when you're deep in to it AND eating
carbs makes you feel like such a pile of shit that the emergent sense
of disgust reinforces your adherence to the keto menu.

green tea, fruits, and veggie snacks help keep you sane.

it can be expensive if you just try to red meat your way through each
day....even if you rotate chicken and fish, your grocery bill will likely
go up if you're overly reliant on animal proteins.

I know some people are not keen on them, but I like legumes mixed
in for slow carbs that don't put you in to a glycemic coma...good fiber
too.

I do best when I allow myself to be less stirict from friday night to sunday
morning. after a while you won't want go crush a california burrito and
some coldstones...you just kind of lose the appetite for that shit after
a few weeks...but you can drink (beer even) on the weekends and have
a burger and fries and it won't fark with your levels.

I don't know if I could swing the intermittent fasting like ifallalot does...I
work from home and cook daily which makes bored/stress snacking a
bugaboo. I heard someone mentioning that they drink bone broth during
the day along with coffee and water and that doesn't bork the fasting
cycle. I definitely like fasted cardio/weights in the morning and afternoon;
the benefits are visible.
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#2891606 - 12/28/18 05:09 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: hal9000]
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Carbs are by far the easiest nutrient to overeat. They are also difficult to portion and guesstimate their calories visually. If you replace that with vegetables, you can fill your plate liberally and get very full with a negligible amount of calories, while eliminating a large number of calories by not eating carbs. Proteins on the other hand are difficult to overeat and therefore self regulating, while fats are somewhere in between.

Keto forces you to give up chips, most fried food, sweets, etc along with requiring low alcohol intake. High calorie restaurant meals are also not an option. All of these have a huge impact on reducing calorie intake and water weight fluctuations, which is where the overall weight loss comes from.

I think there are lessons to be learned from this style of eating, but it is not a metabolic hack in and of itself. There are also some short sighted ideas like limiting legumes, which are very satiating and low calorie, and some flat out idiotic ideas like putting tablespoons of butter and coconut oil in your coffee as a weight loss strategy roflmao

In the end, thermodynamics wins every time. If keto helps you stay consistent, great, but realize it is merely a strategy for better compliance.
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#2891608 - 12/28/18 06:42 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: ifallalot]
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#2891609 - 12/28/18 06:46 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: hal9000]
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Cutting complete food groups out of your diet is silly. Not all carbs are bad.

Everything in moderation.

Plus if you're into any kind of activity that remotely requires endurance, you're fuct without carbs.

Intermitent fasting, sure.

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#2891611 - 12/28/18 06:55 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: ifallalot]
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Originally Posted By: ifallalot
Originally Posted By: tsenn
Old co workers sold the Pruvit Keto...bla bla bla...

Yeah I've seen some snake oil coming out to try and "promote ketones" and other BS

There's nothing to sell to make Keto work. All one has to do is stay under 25ish net carbs per day.

Intermittent fasting works on the same principles and gets the body to burn the same way with a less strict diet.
this be true. keto is easy to follow and it works.
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#2891612 - 12/28/18 08:35 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: FecalFace]
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Originally Posted By: FecalFace
Cutting complete food groups out of your diet is silly. Not all carbs are bad.

Everything in moderation.

Plus if you're into any kind of activity that remotely requires endurance, you're fuct without carbs.

Intermitent fasting, sure.



Ive done a couple iron distance triathlons, one while on a high carb/high fueling (during race) diet and one on a very low carb/low fueling (during race) and there was no discernible performance difference.

The only thing I noticed was during training I had a lower incidence of crashing (where Id go into a hypoglycemic shit zone) when I was on the low carb diet.

The high carb diet was a roller coaster at times and if I didnt eat Id basically just pass out.
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#2891632 - 12/28/18 10:22 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: hal9000]
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One size does not fit all.

I think intermittent fasting is good but it's a bitch you have to do work that creates a high cognitive strain.

I would be in front of the class and be like, "Teacher can't think good when he doesn't eat, kids."
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#2891644 - 12/28/18 10:36 AM Re: Can we talk about the keto diet? [Re: FecalFace]
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Originally Posted By: FecalFace
Cutting complete food groups out of your diet is silly. Not all carbs are bad.

Everything in moderation.

Plus if you're into any kind of activity that remotely requires endurance, you're fuct without carbs.

Intermitent fasting, sure.



This.

Fruits, vegetables, nuts, beans, brown rice, unprocessed foods, olive oil, seafood, and don't overeat. It's not that complicated.

Only in America do we have these dilemmas of "which diet is best for losing weight?!"
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