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Custom for Reese #2884765
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5'10" x 21" x 2 7/8" Modern Fish 5 fin

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I thought you're supposed to put a box of donuts on your board for the rocker shot?

Also, are your boards designed to be ridden with all 5 fins in at the same time? Always wondered...


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"Also, are your boards designed to be ridden with all 5 fins in at the same time? Always wondered..."

This can't be real drowning

Yes these have been ridden with 5 fins for the last 30 years wave2

Donuts don't make it of the house alive ....

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Was a real question! Wasn't sure if they were just all put in to show off your fins. Thanks for answering.


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I knew it was

A bit surprising after 12 + years posting them here :-)



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that's a great shot, we've had a great run of waves lately imo
he's super stoked on your boards GG


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He was riding his Liddle hull the day before so this was a big leap .

Not fully adjusted but has some great clips showing the abnormal speed and lift .

Contrary to Mr.J concepts wave2

Notice the distance of the non deflected flow of water - Flat Bottom - :




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great looking board!


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Reese today , his second day finding what's there ;-)



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Sweet! Another stoked customer who seems to have it dialed.

Curious Greg, do you miss Hawaii a bit? Big change in culture, weather and surf...

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Yes I do
On a cruise ship to Mexico with my wife and her family for christmas right now .

More later wave2

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
He was riding his Liddle hull the day before so this was a big leap .

Not fully adjusted but has some great clips showing the abnormal speed and lift .

Contrary to Mr.J concepts wave2

Notice the distance of the non deflected flow of water - Flat Bottom - :
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Merry Christmas Greg wave2 may we enjoy many more years of this online design sparring. Before I deliver my response, I must say that is a great looking bottom turn.

We use different language to describe design and I ride concave bottoms whereas you keep your customers happy on flat bottoms, despite this we agree in principle on just about everything. The only point of complete disagreement that I can remember is on a rail design thread - I said a rail resembling the hard edge of a water ski will grip better than a HP downrail - you believed otherwise.

So that's a slight change of tack for you to suggest more lift from flat than concave, both using your explanation that the concave claws at water running up the face of the wave and my favoured description that water flow turned downwards causes Newtonian force upwards would say that there is more lift from the concave hull. I thought your previous point was that the flat bottom presented less of an obstacle to free water flow - and you do have a point there.


Anyway I am looking at the non deflected water, so is that your point? i.e the flat bottom doesn't deflect water and therefore allows more free flow? By non deflected water I take it to be the water that is being sprayed from the water - actually being left behind as the board moves forward. In the speedboat world that spray is called the "whisker spray", studies have shown that the whisker spray contributes nothing to lift, but it does account for a significant amount of drag

So it could be argued that this pic on the front footed/back footed thread which would almost certainly be a concaved hull is demonstrating more efficiency, because whisker spray is absent.

https://forum.surfer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2887591#Post2887591

Although you have used the term efficiency before I really don't think efficiency is a word that belongs in a discussion on surfboard performance. We are after all just chasing a feeling, not a measurable result. Reese is happy on your design and the whisker spray is a demonstration of power applied to the turn rather than in indication of efficiency or lack of it. You have a happy customer, you win wave2

One question I have for you, which you are under no obligation to answer is do you carry the flat bottom right to the end of the tail? Or do you add some V? Just so that this isn't considered a trick question I will say up front that currently I don't believe in the V in the tail - at least not panel V. Its a lift killer. So is high tail rocker, but tail rocker with concave gets us back that lift in certain turn situations. Flat in the tail is good too.

http://www.aeromarineresearch.com/whisker_spray_drag.html

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Yes I do
On a cruise ship to Mexico with my wife and her family for christmas right now .

More later wave2


Flying 11 family members to Sayulita for a week. Enjoy the cruise!

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More for Mr.J

Reese racing to beat this blob on the Gulf Coast

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
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Reese racing to beat this blob on the Gulf Coast

Board Created in Hawaii for Everywhere
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Cool shot Greg jam_on The lip descending in front of Reese look like icicles of snow, he is clearly a very capable surfer prepared to take on a variety of conditions.

Notice the almost complete absence of whisker spray. As I was saying the amount of spray is more to do with the surfers exertion and situation than an indication of efficiency or lack of it.

Referring to the previous photo where you point out the "non deflected" whisker spray. I said the spray was being "left behind", however as Stephen Hawking explained in one of his physics for the masses books there is no such thing as stationary or moving - its all relative, so we could think of the spray as travelling backwards relative to the board. The spray contains some mass and because it is not deflected it is travelling backwards over a portion of the hull surface and would incur "parasitic drag" i.e in this case surface friction drag. That's where I think the source of whisker spray drag is.


Then refer to the article I posted on whisker spray and boats fitted with "spray rails" below the chine which are designed to block the whisker spray to reduce drag. So this actually suggests that deflecting the whisker spray would be a good thing from a speed point of view. You know I don't believe in channels. In a similar way to your lack of faith in concaves I am not saying channels don't do anything, I just don't think they are a good feature. Short channels not a valid design - don't do anything useful and the highly capable Noel Salas demonstrated this in one of his comparison reviews. Long channels, an overly elaborate way of achieving something that surfers have difficulty in describing. Based on theory that I have read, at best long channels might act as spray rails on the whisker side spray of the board. Extrapolating naval architects Lindsay Lord books on overly complex hulls would be a source of suction on the wave face side - at best some good and some bad with some quirks. There must be quirks from cutting out big ruts. I think most surfers go for their looks rather than any knowledge of performance.

Chined/keeled hulls actually take on a sideways position when towed, Lord said this was because there is less suction and less drag when the water is travelling diagonally over the chines/keel.

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She's good Too wave2

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Look what I just found Greg

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Oh crap , it has wings drowning

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Oh crap , it has wings drowning


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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Oh crap , it has wings drowning


well, you stuck to your policy of providing the rider with adjustable fins. The rear fin is in a short single fin box and the front fins can be moved with an angle grinder and some replacement fin fillet rovings and patches.

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$450 for a 1982 surfboard, quite a collectors item wave2

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When did you start shaping Greg and what inspired you to start?


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Surfing and surfboard design was very exciting to this teenager

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Very nice cheers

Was your dad a craftsman?

When did you start your own label?

I know you've mentioned working under Brewer, Local Motion, T&C, but did you have your own label at the same time or did you start your own label afterwards?


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Never worked for Brewer

Worked for the large Hawaiian companies from 1980 - 2007

Those companies don't allow you to do your own label .

My dad was a General Contractor , first Custom Homes then Commercial .

My dad sold his house to this guy George - not greenough , this in the backyard .


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Shaping for the big Hawaiian labels in the 90's and early 00's, were you shaping the kind of designs that you wanted to make or were you shaping glass slipper style boards because that's what the label wanted you to do?


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93 - 94 I worked for Glen Minami at Blue Hawaii , super thin big concave and rocker was in - Al Merrick clones . This was the only time I made these , Glen was happy .


jkb that George guy in my parents backyard was the World Champ then ;-)

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You must have been shaking your head when making some of those thin rockered out boards.

Thanks for answering my questions. Seeing that winged board of yours made me realize I didn't know much about how you started shaping and how it eventually developed into your own label.

Is that George Foreman?


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Yes its George Foreman

For Japan Glen had us use white PVC stringers - I have no idea why and they were very flexible .

I made a 6'6" x 18 1/4" x 2 5/16" 5 fin demo which had 2 3/8" tail rocker and flat bottom instead of single concave and 2 3/4" rocker of that time .

The morning crew at Lanis just kept saying " It just keeps going ! " Good fun .

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Would shapers (like Glen) ride one of your shapes before he'd hire you or was it more about having you shape something to his specs and then examining the finished product?


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Glen needed a shaper for his new Blue Hawaii label in 1984

He tried a few then Gavin Hasgawa suggested myself .

I watched him shape one and brought back a copy , Glen's response was " How'd yu do that !

I got the same response in 1993 with Glen and Bobby Owens in the room inspecting my trial board the next time I worked for him .

I gave Wade Tokoro and Don Johnston that 6'6" 5 fin demo to ride - both liked it .

It was a fun time .

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That's awesome!


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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Glen needed a shaper for his new Blue Hawaii label in 1984

He tried a few then Gavin Hasgawa suggested myself .

I watched him shape one and brought back a copy , Glen's response was " How'd yu do that !

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Awesome.

My turn to ask the shaper smile

Did you also take measurements of the board or just literally watch and copy? You don't strike me as a shaper who just wings it.

Another question. Computer shaping has largely replaced the need for a rocker stick and to keep a written log of things such as rocker measurements. However, you have been shaping long before the machine, so did you keep a log book of rocker measurements for your different designs and custom boards to refer to? If so do you still have this book and refer to it?

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Glens design at the time seemed to me to be a Hawaiian version of McCoy .

Needle nose with double hard wing rather than soft with a bottom Brewer used in the 70's which I was familiar with .

I think McCoy has forgotten he used this bottom shrug

It wasn't hard too to recreate it .

I did not keep written records , I was able to remember all the numbers I used for them .

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Originally Posted By: Greg Griffin
Glens design at the time seemed to me to be a Hawaiian version of McCoy .

Needle nose with double hard wing rather than soft with a bottom Brewer used in the 70's which I was familiar with .

I think McCoy has forgotten he used this bottom shrug

It wasn't hard too to recreate it .

I did not keep written records , I was able to remember all the numbers I used for them .


Honestly, I thought you might say that! I have said this before on the forum that you appear to have a photographic memory.

Regarding McCoy's bottom being a version of Brewer's I think we both take the view that there is a lot of reworking of others designs and relabelling. Sometimes the rework is a copy or "inspired" sometimes its a type of "synchronicity" i.e when something is discovered in one part of the world there is an increasing chance that the same thing will be discovered in another part of the world even without direct communication. Nothing necessarily mysterious about that - when the circumstances are favourable to a new concept, it is possible that more than one person may stumble across it.


It came later, but I've been all over the McCoy Nugget's "Loaded Dome" with a straight edge and rocker stick. Essentially its just belly to panel V, but the label gives it a more mysterious appeal. I am not criticising this board though, clever design for someone who doesn't require quick rail to rail responsiveness and tends more towards big planned in advance turns.

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haven't seen a felix tail keel/5 fin in a while
Still have mine and Cyril's in new shape
is that design dead on the mainland
it seemed to work well at my home breaks (haubush/white plains) which about as mainland style a wave as you can get over here.
What happened?
Too Weird?


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Re: Custom for Reese [Re: oneula] #2906333
01/31/19 12:53 AM
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Lots of interest in the Felix tail Hovercraft

Shipping one as part of a 3 board order this week

To be ridden as a Twinzer or Tri Fin


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01/31/19 12:56 AM
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I was wondering about that mini sims on steroids
cause its a good design
especially for most mainland continental shelf waves


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Reese on his Hovercraft

Lots of speed on almost nothing dancing



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