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Re: Papa Bush *** DONE*** [Re: Sharkbiscuit] #2883200
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Fecal, the problem with your thinking is you look at how you want it to be, and not how it is.
Bush didn't do enough to stop aids. Well, neither did Freddy Mercury. No amount of money spent was going to get gay men to stop having unprotected sex in bath houses.
Bush said Sadam had bad weapons. But Sadam did take over Kuwait, and threaten our fuel supply.

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the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.


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Originally Posted By: afoaf
the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.


Hindsight?

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Re: Papa Bush *** DONE*** [Re: afoaf] #2883252
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Originally Posted By: afoaf
the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.

Ouch...

First, that just isn't true. In the beginning of the crisis, they didn't even know what it was. Then after the cause was known, it took decades to find a treatment. And we still don't have a cure. And there is still no shortage of effort to find one.

What was known by Bush's presidency, was that it was transmitted by sex. And telling someone they have control over their exposure isn't bigoted or ignorant.

A straight man's sex drive is no less than a gay man's. It would be tons of fun for me to have sex with every willing woman I come across. I know that would have consequences. Have you ever been in a gay bath house in North Hollywood? I have. It was work related, not for pleasure. 20 or more guys hanging out waiting to fook each other. That's how lots of diseases are spread. But monogamy just wasn't as much fun.

Telling the gay community that they could have done something to help slow it down is no different than saying the anti-vax folks are to blame for measles coming back, or the tRump supporters are to blame for the idiot in the office.


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: afoaf
the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.

Have you ever been in a gay bath house in North Hollywood? I have. It was work related, not for pleasure. 20 or more guys hanging out waiting to fook each other.

Ouch...


You forgot to login as Skully.


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Re: Papa Bush *** DONE*** [Re: everysurfr] #2883261
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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: afoaf
the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.

Ouch...

First, that just isn't true. In the beginning of the crisis, they didn't even know what it was. Then after the cause was known, it took decades to find a treatment. And we still don't have a cure. And there is still no shortage of effort to find one.

What was known by Bush's presidency, was that it was transmitted by sex. And telling someone they have control over their exposure isn't bigoted or ignorant.

A straight man's sex drive is no less than a gay man's. It would be tons of fun for me to have sex with every willing woman I come across. I know that would have consequences.

Telling the gay community that they could have done something to help slow it down is no different than saying the anti-vax folks are to blame for measles coming back, or the tRump supporters are to blame for the idiot in the office.


Disagree.
I was in SF in the early 80's with some friends and classmates who were into that scene head over heels(visuals for El O). It was chaos, a lot of misinformation and people were dying horribly. The gov failed by not giving clear guidance, mostly blaming them for being gay. The gay community took more action than any level of government.
You didn't/don't have to go to bath houses or be promiscuous to get aids or even be gay.


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
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the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.

Have you ever been in a gay bath house in North Hollywood? I have. It was work related, not for pleasure. 20 or more guys hanging out waiting to fook each other.

Ouch...


You forgot to login as Skully.
I'm sure that is going to be someone's new signature


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Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: afoaf
the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.

Ouch...

First, that just isn't true. In the beginning of the crisis, they didn't even know what it was. Then after the cause was known, it took decades to find a treatment. And we still don't have a cure. And there is still no shortage of effort to find one.

What was known by Bush's presidency, was that it was transmitted by sex. And telling someone they have control over their exposure isn't bigoted or ignorant.

A straight man's sex drive is no less than a gay man's. It would be tons of fun for me to have sex with every willing woman I come across. I know that would have consequences.

Telling the gay community that they could have done something to help slow it down is no different than saying the anti-vax folks are to blame for measles coming back, or the tRump supporters are to blame for the idiot in the office.


Disagree.
I was in SF in the early 80's with some friends and classmates who were into that scene head over heels(visuals for El O). It was chaos, a lot of misinformation and people were dying horribly. The gov failed by not giving clear guidance, mostly blaming them for being gay. The gay community took more action than any level of government.
You didn't/don't have to go to bath houses or be promiscuous to get aids or even be gay.


If youre gonna provide a visual get it right. Heels over head. dancing

My brother in law got AIDS in a hospital in Cuba from a blood transfusion, served him right for being a Castro loving socialist.

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some heterosexuals are also promiscuous

not all homosexuals partake in these stereotypes

regardless, none of that means the government can write
off a major health crisis as holy retribution or comeuppance.

denying research and communication budgets because we
don't like the victim population is gross.





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Re: Papa Bush *** DONE*** [Re: heelnipstr] #2883277
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Originally Posted By: heelnipstr
Originally Posted By: everysurfr
Originally Posted By: afoaf
the government failed to treat the AIDs health crisis with
the urgency it deserved precisely because of the bigotry
and ignorance your own statement reflects.

that is a failure of leadership.

Ouch...

First, that just isn't true. In the beginning of the crisis, they didn't even know what it was. Then after the cause was known, it took decades to find a treatment. And we still don't have a cure. And there is still no shortage of effort to find one.

What was known by Bush's presidency, was that it was transmitted by sex. And telling someone they have control over their exposure isn't bigoted or ignorant.

A straight man's sex drive is no less than a gay man's. It would be tons of fun for me to have sex with every willing woman I come across. I know that would have consequences.

Telling the gay community that they could have done something to help slow it down is no different than saying the anti-vax folks are to blame for measles coming back, or the tRump supporters are to blame for the idiot in the office.


Disagree.
I was in SF in the early 80's with some friends and classmates who were into that scene head over heels(visuals for El O). It was chaos, a lot of misinformation and people were dying horribly. The gov failed by not giving clear guidance, mostly blaming them for being gay. The gay community took more action than any level of government.


Uh correct me if I'm wrong but the bathhouses (aka AIDS petri dishes) didn't close voluntarily and some in fact refused to close.

I wouldn't call that taking action.

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You didn't/don't have to go to bath houses or be promiscuous to get aids or even be gay.


This is true.

But

At the time AIDS was a gay disease.
In fact, according to HIV.gov, it's still a gay disease, with 70% of new infections in 2015 in "men who have sex with men."

Maybe the gay community could be doing a better job.?

It doesn't help when you have straight people virtue signaling with politically correct attitudes.

Remember when those billboards popped up in LA some years ago? "AIDS is a gay disease. Own it." The billboards were paid for by a local gay organization. Straight people were outraged by the "bigotry."

And I'll repeat my prediction from before: this little experiment with free PrEP in CA and elsewhere will end badly and make gay men the new study group for drug resistant STDs.

But I guess it's all good in the world of straight people virtue signaling. laugh

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Originally Posted By: afoaf
some heterosexuals are also promiscuous

not all homosexuals partake in these stereotypes

regardless, none of that means the government can write
off a major health crisis as holy retribution or comeuppance.

denying research and communication budgets because we
don't like the victim population is gross.



Yeah, indeed it is gross.

But the main problem in all this is the straight virtue signalers and those in the gay community who don't want to take accountability for the reality AIDS is a gay disease.

I say it's the main problem as these individuals are the ones responsible for why we're STILL dealing with a main method of transmission (sticking pepis in the poo-poo hole with no connie) being so ridiculously preventable.

Free PrEP is a symptom of this problem. So fcking stupid.

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keep saying "virtue signaling" while not materially refuting the
point that is being made regarding the Reagan and Bush admins'
handling of AIDS crisis...



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Uh correct me if I'm wrong but the bathhouses (aka AIDS petri dishes) didn't close voluntarily and some in fact refused to close.

I wasn't involved or part of that community but what I saw and heard at the time was the gay community pushed very hard to close down the bath houses here and the city eventually followed through. They also educated and pushed condom usage.

Virtue signally, fck you, No body was virtuous going to art school in the 80's in SF. And if you feel guilt for being consistently being amoral -you should.


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