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Re: Gavin the Quitter [Re: Oakleys_N_Zinka] #2878880
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Noah & the flood is pre-Jesus (different book).

Marx was driven by resentment, I don't think he would mind a bit of bloodshed.



Driven by resentment foreheadslap



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Noah & the flood is pre-Jesus (different book).

Marx was driven by resentment, I don't think he would mind a bit of bloodshed.



Driven by resentment foreheadslap



Marx also referred to and supported violent revolutions, while Lenin acted it out. If you're using Lenin to illustrate the peacefulness of Marxism you are either morally incompetent or historically ignorant.


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Noah & the flood is pre-Jesus (different book).

Marx was driven by resentment, I don't think he would mind a bit of bloodshed.



Driven by resentment foreheadslap



Marx also referred to and supported violent revolutions, while Lenin acted it out. If you're using Lenin to illustrate the peacefulness of Marxism you are either morally incompetent or historically ignorant.


Have you actually read and studied Marx, besides Wikipedia excerpts? FYI it takes a bit of work. I suggest you re-read the 1st sentence of the quote.

Just where am I using Lenin to illustrate anything? Your reading comprehension of the quote fits nicely with your understanding of Marx though.


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How weird to start something that gets out of your control.
It'd be interesting to see how Karl Marx would've reacted to the end results of his idea's.

Do you think he would have predicted the body count?


What about Jesus?

Do you think he would approve of his followers?

The body count?


Marx, like Jesus, or Alah, never propagated murder or gulags.

Except that one time Jesus drowned every single person on the planet besides Noah.




Noah & the flood is pre-Jesus (different book).

Marx was driven by resentment, I don't think he would mind a bit of bloodshed.



Oh Im sorry, it was Jesus' father who was a murderer. My bad.


I like how you neglect to acknowledge the slave-like treatment of the working class of the day.

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Have you actually read and studied Marx, besides Wikipedia excerpts? FYI it takes a bit of work. I suggest you re-read the 1st sentence of the quote.

Just where am I using Lenin to illustrate anything? Your reading comprehension of the quote fits nicely with your understanding of Marx though.


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Noah & the flood is pre-Jesus (different book).

Marx was driven by resentment, I don't think he would mind a bit of bloodshed.



Driven by resentment foreheadslap



Marx also referred to and supported violent revolutions, while Lenin acted it out. If you're using Lenin to illustrate the peacefulness of Marxism you are either morally incompetent or historically ignorant.


Have you actually read and studied Marx, besides Wikipedia excerpts? FYI it takes a bit of work. I suggest you re-read the 1st sentence of the quote.

Just where am I using Lenin to illustrate anything? Your reading comprehension of the quote fits nicely with your understanding of Marx though.


I ve read the Communist Manifesto and lots of Kapital. Its boring stuff that examines the contradictions of capitalism a lot more than the classless utopia supposed to replace it. Ive also read all of its spinoffs: dependency theory, world systems theory, and finally Foucault & his ilks take on it via identity politics. This and enough Soviet/Chinese/Cambodian/Cuban history has led me to the conclusion that its an insufficient explanation of economic and social behavior and it inevitably pits people against each other.


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Re: Gavin the Quitter [Re: Oakleys_N_Zinka] #2878911
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I ve read the Communist Manifesto and lots of Kapital. Its boring stuff that examines the contradictions of capitalism a lot more than the classless utopia supposed to replace it. Ive also read all of its spinoffs: dependency theory, world systems theory, and finally Foucault & his ilks take on it via identity politics. This and enough Soviet/Chinese/Cambodian/Cuban history has led me to the conclusion that its an insufficient explanation of economic and social behavior and it inevitably pits people against each other.
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Rather odd collection to read but... IMHO the WSL is boring, that reading is migraine inducing. Marx's stuff can be applied to a lot more than what you listed. I doubt he considered his work a 'sufficient' explanation of such a vast and complex dynamic. Finally to judge his ideas on how politicians have used them for their own goals is naive.

Why the need to demonize him? Because you think he promoted violence? You can look in any direction throughout history at people who ordered or actually carried out violence killing thousands upon thousands of people. But I guess most of them were not communist. roflmao


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As somebody who was forced to take Marxism as a mandatory subject in both highschool and college, I can attest to both how boring and how murder free Marx's teachings were.

The Bible has way more violence, murdering and intolerance in it.

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As somebody who was forced to take Marxism as a mandatory subject in both highschool and college, I can attest to both how boring and how murder free Marx's teachings were.

The Bible has way more violence, murdering and intolerance in it.


Yep, Marx had a utopian vision that didnt account for when things went wrong. Just look what happens when people act his vision out (repeatedly and across cultures) and its really all you need to know. The Bible is at least more realistic in that sense (what a weird thing to say about the Bible lol).


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Back to your original statement, to imply that Marx propagated violence, murder and gulags is disingenuous.


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