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#2909032 - 02/05/19 02:43 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: dl4060]
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Originally Posted By: dl4060
Mammoth has gotten crushed with this storm. Be safe anyone who is up there. I will be heading up Friday at 4 am along with the rest of socal.

As far as Mammoth as a destination resort, it has frustrated me too. I went to UCSB, where I was on the ski team. We had a house that we rented every year, so you could join the team and go up 2-3 weekends a month an spend vacations there. Usually there would be 20 people crashed in sleeping bags, but it was college, so no big deal. I first skied Mammoth in January of 1994, and I loved it. I grew up in the east skiing bumps, and the places out west I had skied were Vail, Sun Valley, Park CIty, Squaw and Aspen. I had also been to Copper and Abasin on the all-Cal ski trip. The only one of those places I liked better than Mammoth was Squaw, Mammoth is steeper than any of those places except MAYBE Abasin, and Abasin is not nearly as big as Mammoth. I don't think socal people realize how great this mountain is, it is truly one of the best in the country. But as a destination resort, I don't think it really makes sense for a family from, say, Chicago. If you like steep terrain, Mammoth is awesome, much better than Vail. But for a family of intermediate to advanced intermediate skiers/boarders, what does Mammoth have that Vail does not? Those people are not dropping cliffs or skiing Philippe's any time soon. The noids and hangman's are also probably a bit steep for them, so why would they fly into Mammoth, a sketchy flight, when they could more easily go into Park City, Vail or Aspen? I don't think the village will ever work the way they think it will, from what I have heard they have never really courted the local community very well. I know the powers that be WANT to make Mammoth a destination resort, like Vail, but I don't think it will really work. My dad flew in there a couple of years ago, and he said it was the worst flight of his life. Flights get canceled in and out of that airport all the time. If I was Mammoth I would never have spent all that money trying to compete with Vail/Aspen. You have a great mountain, and a built-in customer base that can drive up for weekends. Tahoe is similar, but Reno is a much easier place to fly into. Also, Tahoe has lots of resorts, Mammoth only has Mammoth and June, which means that there is nowhere for the crowds to spread to. I don't think that in the long term things with the village will work out well. I would expect to see more people from Ikon pass places, Denver people who regularly ski Winter Park and folks from Seattle who regularly ski Crystal for instance. You will also get more people from Tahoe and Reno coming. Among serious skiers/boarders, Mammoth has always been known as one of the best mountains in the country, but I don't think they are every going to get the intermediate/midwest vacation crowd. That is who they are going for, and I don't know if it will work. I hope it does not, Mammoth is crowded enough. I'm just really glad that the yellow line goes right by our condo, Mammoth had a parking problem back in 1994, now it is much worse.

The ski industry is eventually going to have a problem. My parents skied a little bit, but they were not all that serious. Growing up in the mid-hudson valley I had places like Belleayre that were 1.5 hours away and cost 20 dollars for a lift ticket. I started when I was 9, and got pretty into, but people could be casual skiers and ski 5 days a year and it was not absurdly expensive. It actually costs far less to be a serious skier these days, for 900 bucks your tickets are essentially covered, back when I lived in Tahoe, I left in 04, a season pass at Squaw was 1600. But it has become extremely expensive to be someone who skis a few days a year. A family of four that wants to do a three day weekend at Mammoth you are talking about AT LEAST 600 a day on lift tickets. Then you have to pay for food. Then lodging. You might also have to rent gear. If the industry is not careful, it will get to the point where the ONLY people who can ski casually are those who are lower upper class and above. You will price out even the upper middle class. Serious skiers will still be able to afford it, because they will get Ikon/Epic passes, but the casual skier will disappear, unless they are very wealthy. My parents were of reasonable means, but if skiing was as expensive then (present valuing what it costs now and going back to the mid-80's) as it is now I might never have gotten into it. This COULD actually be a good thing for mom and pop places. They have the opportunity to charge less for a day ticket, and possibly get those casual skiers.


Yeah even when people suggest flying to Mammoth from LA I have a hard time considering that. When you factor the amount of time it takes to get to LAX, check luggage, navigate security, etc only for a flight that is a high risk of being cancelled when there is weather, and you want weather it makes no sense. Once I'm getting on a plane I'd rather fly to Utah or Whistler. Both are doable for a weekend or long weekend and these days cost around the same. I would never fly to mammoth.
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#2909048 - 02/05/19 03:08 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: dl4060]
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Great writeup, dl4060.

I fully agree with a lot of what you said there. I used to go to Mammoth with family almost every weekend in late 80s/early 90s and it was really manageable. That was when the nightlife in town consisted of Grumpy's/Whiskey Creek and renting movies on VHS to bring back to hotel/condo. You could also drive up on a Friday and get a room no problem - that lasted until the early 2000s, I would say. However, I would say starting around 1996, I would skip Mammoth altogether, stay in South Lake Tahoe and go to Kirkwood. Even though it was a longer drive, just everything about it was better. Cheap lodging in town and the casinos (Harvey's in particular) would usually bankroll my trip. Couple exceptions where I heavily bankrolled them. roflmao Was up there every weekend, would play Pai Gow til 2 (or 5) in the morning, get to the mountain at 9:30/10 (unless it was a powder day), buy a lift ticket off an early riser in the parking lot for $10 (or trade the liftie on The Wall a nug to ride that lift all day, no questions asked), barbecue some burgers/hot dogs in the parking lot for lunch, board the rest of the day, sell the previously scalped lift ticket for $15 to someone rolling up around 2:30 or 3, rinse, repeat. Would get 30 to 40 days a year in. I recently questioned why I didn't buy a season pass back then but then but I still got a better deal the way I did it, especially once I started making friends with a lot of the people who worked there and rarely paid for anything after that.

Those were the days. Before responsibilities.

Now, with family of my own, it's a lot tougher (especially on single-income). I am not getting up there enough to justify a season pass, whether single or multi-mountain. It's a lot to mobilize. My wife is only semi-into it and my son isn't quite ready for the slopes. At 4, he's physically able but his speech and language are a bit behind so likely needs another year. I think it really clicks anyways around 5 or 6. My daughter is fired up about skiing so that is definitely cool and I want to keep her going with it.

So, always looking for options for deals. And it's a shame that Mammoth is out of reach financially. I wouldn't be so bitter towards that mountain if I didn't love it so much. Even in the Kirkwood-dominant days, I'd still get a handful of days there every season. End of an era, I suppose.

Gonna miss this storm up there but hoping to grab something locally here soon. If Baldy is holding mid-week once they have enough base, cough cough might be a sick day coming. hat
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#2909196 - 02/05/19 06:34 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: frvcvs]
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Originally Posted By: frvcvs
I have mammoth booked for this weekend with my GF. Motel Sex 6 for us. dancing I'll be up early for surgical strikes and will hope to be off the mountain and hanging with her late in the day since I'll be riding solo. Maybe get into some cross country with her since thats more her speed. Looks like more snow headed their way on sat and sun and things seem to be setting up for some Atmospheric River action. jam_on


heading up Thursday after work. Looks like another smaller storm Friday night, lingering into Saturday, and more on Sunday. Whole mountain was shut down today, except 8,

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#2909934 - 02/07/19 10:38 AM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: frvcvs]
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Originally Posted By: frvcvs
Originally Posted By: dl4060
Mammoth has gotten crushed with this storm. Be safe anyone who is up there. I will be heading up Friday at 4 am along with the rest of socal.

As far as Mammoth as a destination resort, it has frustrated me too. I went to UCSB, where I was on the ski team. We had a house that we rented every year, so you could join the team and go up 2-3 weekends a month an spend vacations there. Usually there would be 20 people crashed in sleeping bags, but it was college, so no big deal. I first skied Mammoth in January of 1994, and I loved it. I grew up in the east skiing bumps, and the places out west I had skied were Vail, Sun Valley, Park CIty, Squaw and Aspen. I had also been to Copper and Abasin on the all-Cal ski trip. The only one of those places I liked better than Mammoth was Squaw, Mammoth is steeper than any of those places except MAYBE Abasin, and Abasin is not nearly as big as Mammoth. I don't think socal people realize how great this mountain is, it is truly one of the best in the country. But as a destination resort, I don't think it really makes sense for a family from, say, Chicago. If you like steep terrain, Mammoth is awesome, much better than Vail. But for a family of intermediate to advanced intermediate skiers/boarders, what does Mammoth have that Vail does not? Those people are not dropping cliffs or skiing Philippe's any time soon. The noids and hangman's are also probably a bit steep for them, so why would they fly into Mammoth, a sketchy flight, when they could more easily go into Park City, Vail or Aspen? I don't think the village will ever work the way they think it will, from what I have heard they have never really courted the local community very well. I know the powers that be WANT to make Mammoth a destination resort, like Vail, but I don't think it will really work. My dad flew in there a couple of years ago, and he said it was the worst flight of his life. Flights get canceled in and out of that airport all the time. If I was Mammoth I would never have spent all that money trying to compete with Vail/Aspen. You have a great mountain, and a built-in customer base that can drive up for weekends. Tahoe is similar, but Reno is a much easier place to fly into. Also, Tahoe has lots of resorts, Mammoth only has Mammoth and June, which means that there is nowhere for the crowds to spread to. I don't think that in the long term things with the village will work out well. I would expect to see more people from Ikon pass places, Denver people who regularly ski Winter Park and folks from Seattle who regularly ski Crystal for instance. You will also get more people from Tahoe and Reno coming. Among serious skiers/boarders, Mammoth has always been known as one of the best mountains in the country, but I don't think they are every going to get the intermediate/midwest vacation crowd. That is who they are going for, and I don't know if it will work. I hope it does not, Mammoth is crowded enough. I'm just really glad that the yellow line goes right by our condo, Mammoth had a parking problem back in 1994, now it is much worse.

The ski industry is eventually going to have a problem. My parents skied a little bit, but they were not all that serious. Growing up in the mid-hudson valley I had places like Belleayre that were 1.5 hours away and cost 20 dollars for a lift ticket. I started when I was 9, and got pretty into, but people could be casual skiers and ski 5 days a year and it was not absurdly expensive. It actually costs far less to be a serious skier these days, for 900 bucks your tickets are essentially covered, back when I lived in Tahoe, I left in 04, a season pass at Squaw was 1600. But it has become extremely expensive to be someone who skis a few days a year. A family of four that wants to do a three day weekend at Mammoth you are talking about AT LEAST 600 a day on lift tickets. Then you have to pay for food. Then lodging. You might also have to rent gear. If the industry is not careful, it will get to the point where the ONLY people who can ski casually are those who are lower upper class and above. You will price out even the upper middle class. Serious skiers will still be able to afford it, because they will get Ikon/Epic passes, but the casual skier will disappear, unless they are very wealthy. My parents were of reasonable means, but if skiing was as expensive then (present valuing what it costs now and going back to the mid-80's) as it is now I might never have gotten into it. This COULD actually be a good thing for mom and pop places. They have the opportunity to charge less for a day ticket, and possibly get those casual skiers.


Yeah even when people suggest flying to Mammoth from LA I have a hard time considering that. When you factor the amount of time it takes to get to LAX, check luggage, navigate security, etc only for a flight that is a high risk of being cancelled when there is weather, and you want weather it makes no sense. Once I'm getting on a plane I'd rather fly to Utah or Whistler. Both are doable for a weekend or long weekend and these days cost around the same. I would never fly to mammoth.


In the winter of 10/11, an epic one, I was skiing laps at Baldy one weekend. On the lift I met a guy who said that he has things set up so that he flies to Utah every other weekend for a 3-day weekend. He was an attorney in, probably, his early50's, and he told me that for years he did the Mammoth thing too, but then he got sick of the drive. I mentioned that it would cost a lot to do all that flying, he said yes, but if you book early tickets are usally not THAT bad. He said his wife goes up about half the time, so usually he just has to buy one ticket. He also pointed out that his condo in Salt Lake was 120k, when a similar one in Mammoth would be 400k.

One of my old ski lease mates had a plane for a little while. He would ask me if I wanted to fly up, and I always declined, usually making up an excuse about timing. I'm not a fan of small planes, I also would not want to fly into an airport like Mammoth with a pilot who is not a pro. My buddy is a smart and sensible guy, he is the type of person I would fly in that type of plane with if I had to, but that is one sketchy airport. Like I said though, I really don't like small planes. Even so, even if little planes did not bother me I don't think I would want to fly in one going to Mammoth.

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#2909935 - 02/07/19 10:53 AM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: 92122]
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I actually might jump on this. I'm going to call to make sure the pass is good for the rest of this year as well as next, but that appears to be what it says. The base should be pretty well set up at Baldy for the rest of the year.

https://fareharbor.com/mtbaldyskilifts/items/126837/

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#2909988 - 02/07/19 11:57 AM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: 92122]
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I'm driving up to Mammoth Saturday from San Diego with the GF who doesn't ski/board, she will probably just chill in the village all weekend while I ride. If anybody's down for linking up lemme know. Also if anybody knows of any good options for lodging reach out. Everything is pretty much booked solid Saturday night so looking for something as of now.
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#2910060 - 02/07/19 12:52 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: GeoPac]
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got my Union Altas bindings in the mail yesterday. mounted they feel pretty damn fooking' solid. slightly lighter then the Union Forces. The plastic ankle straps feel lot more secure. The mesh style top caps fit stretch over the toe of the boot better than the straps on the Forces. Ride report to come after this weekend.

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#2911287 - 02/09/19 05:40 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: 92122]
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Wednesday was one for the books! Pulled the trigger on Tues morning and booked a room at the Westin on points (So stocked the Marriott bought Starwood!!). Woke to cold blue skies, light wind and small crowds. Great conditions all day. Demo'd a Never Summer Big Gun 165 and it just flew through everything. Had so much fun on it, wifey insisted I buy it when I went to return it on Friday.
Great trip!!
Stocked for you all that are up there now as it must be epic.

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#2911783 - 02/10/19 11:22 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: 92122]
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Got the malavitas. Felt true to their review in the taste I got this weekend. Happy customer.

Cant say the new bling straps were night and day better but I appreciated the shock absorbsion and canted footbed. No cramps at the end of the day. Highback hammock is pretty cool feeling.

On sale on evo and no tax/shipping. Stocked for some upcoming trips later this month.


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#2911799 - 02/11/19 12:25 AM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: sd_101]
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Doing a last minute, midweek run up to June with the fam. Any recs on a good place to stay up there? Sorry if I shouldve posted this in the travel forum.
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#2911801 - 02/11/19 12:42 AM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: 92122]
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Just got back from mammoth. Total foolking shit show on Saturday. Only the lower mountain opened due to weather holds. Managed to score some fresh tracks despite the zoo. Last night delivered the goods and the previous days circus and weather seemed to scare off the crowds. Highest I made it on the mountain due to weather holds was traversing to lower Lincoln off of 16. Got it 3rd chair. Was a short run but the snow quality was as good as Ive seen it at mammoth and well over thigh deep in spots. Cant complain. Those lucky enough to stick around another day are going to score big time tomorrow. 80% of the mountain is untracked. Its gonna be all time.
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#2911896 - 02/11/19 12:26 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: frvcvs]
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Originally Posted By: frvcvs
Just got back from mammoth. Total foolking shit show on Saturday. Only the lower mountain opened due to weather holds. Managed to score some fresh tracks despite the zoo. Last night delivered the goods and the previous days circus and weather seemed to scare off the crowds. Highest I made it on the mountain due to weather holds was traversing to lower Lincoln off of 16. Got it 3rd chair. Was a short run but the snow quality was as good as Ive seen it at mammoth and well over thigh deep in spots. Cant complain. Those lucky enough to stick around another day are going to score big time tomorrow. 80% of the mountain is untracked. Its gonna be all time.


can attest to the shitshow saturday. only took 3 runs before calling it. went up Rollercoaster and the visibility looking down toward 5 was near white out. new that side wasn't going open until later afternoon and was tired of standing in line for a hour. was pretty damn cold too. Negative 5 degrees on the drive up Thursday night. Didn't ride yesterday as the wind looked even worse where we stayed up near WH2. Took 2 hrs to drive to Bishop (35-ish miles).

one day review of the Union Altas....great binding! get them if you're considering them

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#2911986 - 02/11/19 02:13 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: stu dog]
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Wonder if MM is going to tie or beat the 600+ mark set 2 seasons ago?
Another major dump on the way.
Got another trip coming up first week of March, can't wait.

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#2912025 - 02/11/19 03:01 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: SBSteve]
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Wonder if MM is going to tie or beat the 600+ mark set 2 seasons ago?
Another major dump on the way.
Got another trip coming up first week of March, can't wait.


Still a long way to go. It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. This last storm dumped a lot but the ratio was high, in sheer water content 2yrs ago was insane.
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#2912040 - 02/11/19 03:13 PM Re: ***Official Snow Surfing 2018 - 2019 Thread*** [Re: frvcvs]
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Originally Posted By: frvcvs
Originally Posted By: SBSteve
Wonder if MM is going to tie or beat the 600+ mark set 2 seasons ago?
Another major dump on the way.
Got another trip coming up first week of March, can't wait.


Still a long way to go. It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. This last storm dumped a lot but the ratio was high, in sheer water content 2yrs ago was insane.


they'll need March to be a big month too. That record year 2016, February was like this year. had a major dumb before President's day. then there was a major storm in March too. This week's storm I haven't seen the snow there that light in a LONG time. weather was cold to get the new snow light and not sierra cement.

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